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Posted: 7 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: -Zaara-.


however the issue that is bothering us, well me, is the lack of respect he gives to his wife. Whether it be going to work, or lack of attention or even taking two minutes after their honeymoon and just be there.
He keeps talking about his dream. But Zara has a dream too. Does he even care ?


EXACTLY! I've no issues with him being reserved, it is this exact thing you have mentioned which is bothersome. He showed more regard for and what she said, before marriage.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Lol this discussion is peaceful and I'm so glad that we're ALL on the same page.
So basically what we want is:
- THE zara siddiqui back. Standing up for gerself
-Ruks gone for good. I don't care how I just want her gone she is unbearable to watch.
-and role reverse of kabeer and zara. As in kabeer at least giving her one compliment. Or even just smiling at her without her noticing
Supporting her to fulfil HER dreams.



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Posted: 7 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: aqua.m7

Lol this discussion is peaceful and I'm so glad that we're ALL on the same page.

So basically what we want is:
- THE zara siddiqui back. Standing up for gerself
-Ruks gone for good. I don't care how I just want her gone she is unbearable to watch.
-and role reverse of kabeer and zara. As in kabeer at least giving her one compliment. Or even just smiling at her without her noticing
Supporting her to fulfil HER dreams.




I know there are some people who don't like what I am saying, so they're just ignoring the thread to keep the peace I guess. Which I appreciate 😆 But yup, good to know there's a bunch of us who have the same issues with the show right now. 😆


Same! I would rather watch half an episode of Zeenat and her villiangiri than even one second of Rukhsar. She is beyond unbearable for me. AND YES TO QUEEN ZARA SIDDIQUI BACK YASS! 😃


Supporting her, giving her time and affection and attention. AND I want a separation so he finally realizes he took her presence for granted!
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Posted: 7 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: ghissapitta


I know there are some people who don't like what I am saying, so they're just ignoring the thread to keep the peace I guess. Which I appreciate 😆 But yup, good to know there's a bunch of us who have the same issues with the show right now. 😆


Same! I would rather watch half an episode of Zeenat and her villiangiri than even one second of Rukhsar. She is beyond unbearable for me. AND YES TO QUEEN ZARA SIDDIQUI BACK YASS! 😃


Supporting her, giving her time and affection and attention. AND I want a separation so he finally realizes he took her presence for granted!


To those people:

WE ARE NOT BASHING KABEER,
WE ARE just standing up against the wrongs happening in that house.
This is the cvs plans to make us realise the wrong thoughts, so that we can witness a change in kabeers actions and mindset
😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I think Kabeer was always meant to make an attempt to clip Zaara's wings. He is conservative, is very concerned about how people perceive him and his family, is a very obedient son and tries fo be a reaponsible person. His wife could be Zaara, Rukhsar or anyone else and he would have behaved in exactly the same way. It is not about love or even about relationship, it is about his focus. Marriage is just another thing he agreed to and got into because his father wanted it. From the very beginning we have noticed him crave for his father's approval and although he doesn't agree to all his father's action, he plays along with all showing his submissiveness towards his father as well as easy going nature. That easy going nature can be seen when he lets Zaara shower him with love: he just lets her have her way. But only as long as he doesn't feel his values threatened by her. He has been very particular about burkha from the very first episode and continues being so but he did not once ask Zaara to change her attire after marriage. Zaara did what she did for him because she chose to do it. But when he will be judged by others of his fraternity for the clothes of his wife which he also believes deep down that she should adhere to, that is when he reacts. He may want Zaara to stay at home because that is what he believes from the values instilled in him but I think he would have accomodated here as well if he didn't feel threatened. He feels her presence validates Rukhsar's statement. People may say that he should realize that it is true and he got his position because of Zaara but he kept on telling his father that he will become Qazi and fulfill his wish whether he got married to Zaara or not which shows that he wanted to earn that position. It is like the Mehr amount, something that is in his conscious and Zaara will unknowingly be the one to suffer because of this until and unless Kabeer realizes his mistake or feels confident that he has earned the position he achieved.

For me, Kabeer is a complex character because he is very reserved but he is a very human character because the issues he has are very prevalent in our society. How Zaara handles it and how he learns to bring changes within his belief system is what the story is about. He will hurt Zaara because unless he does so, the story or their characters will not move forward. Meanwhile it is important for us to understand is that he doesn't realize he is clipping Zaara's wings: he doesn't understand that her wishes, her dreams, her aspirations are not meant to be what the typical patriarchal society imposes on women. We will hate him for what he does to Zaara, the journey has only just started but during the lowest of the low, we should try and remember that while he and Zaara are having conflict, even he is not at peace and he will also feel suffocated in this marriage at some point. It's just our personalities and perspectives and if he was to be the best husband in the world, this story would not be necessary. Also, he was free from his father's expectation, his own expectations and dreams when he was in Kashmir. He wanted to enjoy and he let Zaara enjoy as well. There his sole responsibility was Zaara and we saw how he was when he could not find her, that is who he is and how much responsible he feels for things. If you notice, when he is home, he converses to her, is polite with her both of which he was in Kashmir. If you really notice, he wasn't forward in showing affection or paying any special attention to her in Kashmir either, it was just the situation and environment that made everything look heightened.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: athai

I think Kabeer was always meant to make an attempt to clip Zaara's wings. He is conservative, is very concerned about how people perceive him and his family, is a very obedient son and tries fo be a reaponsible person. His wife could be Zaara, Rukhsar or anyone else and he would have behaved in exactly the same way. It is not about love or even about relationship, it is about his focus. Marriage is just another thing he agreed to and got into because his father wanted it. From the very beginning we have noticed him crave for his father's approval and although he doesn't agree to all his father's action, he plays along with all showing his submissiveness towards his father as well as easy going nature. That easy going nature can be seen when he lets Zaara shower him with love: he just lets her have her way. But only as long as he doesn't feel his values threatened by her. He has been very particular about burkha from the very first episode and continues being so but he did not once ask Zaara to change her attire after marriage. Zaara did what she did for him because she chose to do it. But when he will be judged by others of his fraternity for the clothes of his wife which he also believes deep down that she should adhere to, that is when he reacts. He may want Zaara to stay at home because that is what he believes from the values instilled in him but I think he would have accomodated here as well if he didn't feel threatened. He feels her presence validates Rukhsar's statement. People may say that he should realize that it is true and he got his position because of Zaara but he kept on telling his father that he will become Qazi and fulfill his wish whether he got married to Zaara or not which shows that he wanted to earn that position. It is like the Mehr amount, something that is in his conscious and Zaara will unknowingly be the one to suffer because of this until and unless Kabeer realizes his mistake or feels confident that he has earned the position he achieved.

For me, Kabeer is a complex character because he is very reserved but he is a very human character because the issues he has are very prevalent in our society. How Zaara handles it and how he learns to bring changes within his belief system is what the story is about. He will hurt Zaara because unless he does so, the story or their characters will not move forward. Meanwhile it is important for us to understand is that he doesn't realize he is clipping Zaara's wings: he doesn't understand that her wishes, her dreams, her aspirations are not meant to be what the typical patriarchal society imposes on women. We will hate him for what he does to Zaara, the journey has only just started but during the lowest of the low, we should try and remember that while he and Zaara are having conflict, even he is not at peace and he will also feel suffocated in this marriage at some point. It's just our personalities and perspectives and if he was to be the best husband in the world, this story would not be necessary. Also, he was free from his father's expectation, his own expectations and dreams when he was in Kashmir. He wanted to enjoy and he let Zaara enjoy as well. There his sole responsibility was Zaara and we saw how he was when he could not find her, that is who he is and how much responsible he feels for things. If you notice, when he is home, he converses to her, is polite with her both of which he was in Kashmir. If you really notice, he wasn't forward in showing affection or paying any special attention to her in Kashmir either, it was just the situation and environment that made everything look heightened.

I am just going to say you gave me something to think about and i loved reading this and looking at things from a whole new perspective ❤️👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: athai

I think Kabeer was always meant to make an attempt to clip Zaara's wings. He is conservative, is very concerned about how people perceive him and his family, is a very obedient son and tries fo be a reaponsible person. His wife could be Zaara, Rukhsar or anyone else and he would have behaved in exactly the same way. It is not about love or even about relationship, it is about his focus. Marriage is just another thing he agreed to and got into because his father wanted it. From the very beginning we have noticed him crave for his father's approval and although he doesn't agree to all his father's action, he plays along with all showing his submissiveness towards his father as well as easy going nature. That easy going nature can be seen when he lets Zaara shower him with love: he just lets her have her way. But only as long as he doesn't feel his values threatened by her. He has been very particular about burkha from the very first episode and continues being so but he did not once ask Zaara to change her attire after marriage. Zaara did what she did for him because she chose to do it. But when he will be judged by others of his fraternity for the clothes of his wife which he also believes deep down that she should adhere to, that is when he reacts. He may want Zaara to stay at home because that is what he believes from the values instilled in him but I think he would have accomodated here as well if he didn't feel threatened. He feels her presence validates Rukhsar's statement. People may say that he should realize that it is true and he got his position because of Zaara but he kept on telling his father that he will become Qazi and fulfill his wish whether he got married to Zaara or not which shows that he wanted to earn that position. It is like the Mehr amount, something that is in his conscious and Zaara will unknowingly be the one to suffer because of this until and unless Kabeer realizes his mistake or feels confident that he has earned the position he achieved.

For me, Kabeer is a complex character because he is very reserved but he is a very human character because the issues he has are very prevalent in our society. How Zaara handles it and how he learns to bring changes within his belief system is what the story is about. He will hurt Zaara because unless he does so, the story or their characters will not move forward. Meanwhile it is important for us to understand is that he doesn't realize he is clipping Zaara's wings: he doesn't understand that her wishes, her dreams, her aspirations are not meant to be what the typical patriarchal society imposes on women. We will hate him for what he does to Zaara, the journey has only just started but during the lowest of the low, we should try and remember that while he and Zaara are having conflict, even he is not at peace and he will also feel suffocated in this marriage at some point. It's just our personalities and perspectives and if he was to be the best husband in the world, this story would not be necessary. Also, he was free from his father's expectation, his own expectations and dreams when he was in Kashmir. He wanted to enjoy and he let Zaara enjoy as well. There his sole responsibility was Zaara and we saw how he was when he could not find her, that is who he is and how much responsible he feels for things. If you notice, when he is home, he converses to her, is polite with her both of which he was in Kashmir. If you really notice, he wasn't forward in showing affection or paying any special attention to her in Kashmir either, it was just the situation and environment that made everything look heightened.


Wow! You have described kabeers every shade in such a way that I feel as if the complexity of his kabeer is much more than what meets the eye.

We have some great minds in our forum! I love reading these wonderful posts and questioning each characterisation.

Thank You For this!

Edited by aqua.m7 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: aqua.m7


Wow! You have described kabeers every shade in such a way that I feel as if the complexity of his kabeer is much more than what meets the eye.

We have some great minds in our forum! I love reading these wonderful posts and questioning each characterisation.

Thank You For this!


Haha...thank you. I love Kabeer's character because he is so real that it becomes difficult for us to digest him. We all talk about Zaara's dream of her husband, but Kabeer had also wanted a wife who would share the same values as him. If we can't even handle Kabeer now when his expectations from his wife has not even started coming to the front, how can we handle him when he will be outright rude and unbearable with Zaara due to their conflicts?
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Posted: 7 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: -Zaara-.

I am just going to say you gave me something to think about and i loved reading this and looking at things from a whole new perspective ❤️👏


Thank you. I am glad I could provide you with a new angle to look at things. I believe in trying to understand why people do what they do and I find Kabeer a fascinating character because it is the most real character I have come across in years. I love Zaara because my values match with hers and I will hate Kabeer for hurting her, but for them to grow and learn to live with each other this is necessary.

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