Originally posted by: riti4u
@Anu- I am not that versed with incidents to really blame Krishna for the faults.. I have thought of him as being kind of central character driving the story ..
About Draupadi, well i think you have prejudice on Karnalis view of her.. it depends on person to person. I like her a lot but yes I like Karna more 😳 that doesnt make me have any bias about her..As far as her fault is concerned, what happened to her was wrong... but then she wanted war isnt it ? I am not sure if revenge is positive feeling... yes having justice met is... but would you call it justice in which so many people lost their lives for no fault of their own... I can understand her reason for hatred towards kauravas and this seemed justice to her.. but was this justice? If yes, then why did she loose her own sons.. was that justice to her..? I don't think it is even to her...
I think we have completely made my fun post into serious debate discussion...😆
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There is no 'wrongdoing' of Panchlai that people are going to be able to point out. She may have made some, but Vyasa didn't record it😊
Contrary to popular belief, Panchali was not insisting on war TILL the multiple efforts failed and Krishna was about to go. And even then she doesn't say, I want war regardless.
AND, in the whole conversation with the Pandavas and Panchali, it was KRISHNA who clearly wanted war, along with Sahdev and Satyaki. ARJUN even calls him out on this, saying 'Your words suggest you want war'.
This is what Panchali says to Krishna. She was NOT pro war till all peace treaties were rejected except for G-man going there. And by the way, she never took that silly vow either -
, 'O slayer of Madhu, it is known to thee, O thou of mighty arms, by what deceitful
p. 169
means, O righteous one, the son of Dhritarashtra with his counsellors robbed the Pandavas, O Janardana. of their happiness. Thou knowest also, O thou of Dasarha's race, what message was privately delivered to Sanjaya by the king. Thou hast also heard all that was said unto Sanjaya. O thou of great effulgence, these words were even these, 'Let only five villages be granted to us,
viz.,
Avishthala, and Vrikasthala, and
Makandi, and Varanavata, and for the fifth, any other,--O thou of mighty arms, O Kesava, even this was the message that was to have been delivered to Duryodhana and his counsellors. But, O Krishna, O thou of Dasarha's race, hearing those words of Yudhishthira, endued with modesty and anxious for peace, Suyodhana hath not acted according to them. If, O Krishna, Suyodhana desireth to make peace without surrendering the kingdom, there is no necessity of going thither for making such a peace. The Pandavas with the Srinjayas, O thou of mighty arms, are quite able to withstand the fierce Dhritarashtra host inflamed with rage. When they are no longer amenable to this arts of conciliation, it is not proper, O slayer of Madhu, that thou shouldst show them mercy.
Those enemies, O Krishna, with whom peace cannot be established by either conciliation or presents, should be treated with severity by one desirous of saving his life. Therefore, O mighty-armed
Achyuta, heavy should be the punishment that deserves to be speedily inflicted upon them by thyself aided by the Pandavas and the Srinjayas. Indeed, even this would become the son of Pritha, and add to thy glory, and if accomplished, will, O Krishna, be a source of great happiness to the whole Kshatriya race. He that is covetous, whether belonging to the Kshatriya or any other order, save of course a
Brahmana, even if most sinful, ought surely to be slain by a Kshatriya, who is true to the duties of his own order. The exception in the case of a Brahmana, O sire, is due to a Brahmana's being the preceptor of all the other orders, as also the first sharer of everything. P
ersons conversant with the scriptures declare, O Janardana, that sin is incurred in slaying one that deserveth not to be slain. So there is equal sin in not slaying one that deserveth to be slain. Act thou, therefore, O Krishna, in such a way with the forces of the Pandavas and the Srinjayas, that sin may not touch thee
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'Having said this, the beautiful Krishna of eyes that were black in hue and large like lotus leaves, bathed in tears,
and walking like a cow-elephant, approached the lotus-eyed Krishna, and taking with her left hand her own beautiful tresses of curly ends, deep-blue in hue and scented with every perfume, endued with every auspicious mark, and
though gathered into a braid, yet soft and glossy like a mighty snake, spake these words, 'Lotus-eyed one that art
As for justice, when good people cower under their beds for fear, there can be no greater injustice. Yes, lives will be lost. But, if we go by that logic, Hitler should have been allowed to conduct his business with the Jews (Though that was not why the Allies entered WWII)
Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago
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