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Kunti is one of the most strong and shrewd characters in the epic.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

I dont agree with IB either on any of the things. But the fact is that if Panchali did any wrong, Vyasa didn't record it.

Re: war mongering. It amazes me that she gets blamed while G-man gets away for far worse!

This eternal course of morality is ever followed by the virtuous--viz., that the husband, however weak, protecteth his wedded wife! By protecting the wife one protecteth his offspring and by protecting the offspring one protecteth his own self! One's own self is begotten on one's wife, and therefore it is that the wife is calledJaya.A wife also should protect her lord, remembering that he is to take his birth in her womb! The Pandavas never forsake the person that soliciteth their protection, and yet they abandoned me who solicited it!

I DO believe Draupadi was never wrong. Perhaps she is the only completely right character related to main thread of MB. I also have no doubt on citations. I know what Jaya is. GOING STRICTLY BY CITATIONS, the only doubt about IB' saying Drau being a hero of MB is how do you call a character the central chracter or hero of the story when he/she has no visible, at least one scene that he/she influenced so much to divert whole story? I don't find any such scenes that involves Draupadi to that extent. Except Dyuta Sabha, Draupadi has no control over any event that happened in Mahabharata. And in DS also, it is difficult to believe she acted upon her instinct/intelligence when it is clear written she was asked by Yudhi to do as he said. I do not mean Draupadi was some fool or some idiot. She cartainly was intellegent. Her talks with Yudhi in Kamyaka vana proves the sheer brilliance of her intelligemce & knowledge. Still, she had no control over anything that happened. So how could you call her the HERO of the story? I am not being anti feminist here. Call Kunti the Hero - I agree. She certainly controlled most of events. But the way Draupadi is being described in Mahabharata, (not the Draupadi of my imaginations, please note), she is nothing than an ouspoken, traditional, obedient, wife to five men. --- That is why I always believe Draupadi was something else, one of the best Vyasa wrote but later editors edited away as they could not concieve the excellancy of a woman --- But lets strictly go by the book - she was NO hero.

Jamy.

Originally posted by: riti4u

Crew member- But how sir, we are so far from hastinapur.. how can we make them meet...

SidT ls angry...- Don't you dare question me with logic... 😡

🤣 logic is something that is at a premium here. let's wait and watch what they have next in store for us!! 😆

Anu,
Let me ask sorry & correct a mistake I made unknowingly. I dont wanna edit the previous post now. My query was actually what make Draupadi THE HERO of MB as you claimed? I have no doubt on her being a central chracter (but one who has no control over the story).
As far as Karna's dialogue is concerned, he was the same person who humiliated her just a moment ago. That gives a room to doubt either him humiliating her or praisig her to be an interpolation. So let us keep him aside. Even if we consider his words, he didnt say she acted out of her brain/inelligence. And no boat can carry passengers of ys own to the other shore, right? There must be a driver. It is pretty evident in the Mahabharata that she was only following what Yudhi wanted her to do. Karna or Yudhi had never objected that fact. So unless we are able to disprove Yudhi here, we cannot say Draupadi acted of her own. She was not a woman of such a mean brain. I cannot think she was cheap enough to think in the way Yudhi did.
Also, maintaining treasury does not make someone a hero, I think.
In Kamyaka vana, she was not doing any peaceful conversation. She is seen venting out her frustration. And she failed to influence Krishna there. The mass destruction he promised Draupadi was something he already said to all who were present there. Krishna was boiling with anger & Arjuna cooled him down seeing the vehemance of his anger. Then only Draupadi spoke her frustration. So how can you say she influenced him?
Also in Udyoga parva, even before Draupadi spoke, Krishna was evidently supporting war but got ready to go with peace mission only for the sake of Yudhi. There Yudhi was the one who needed to take the decision, not Krishna. In what Krishna says to Arjuna, right after he spoke to Draupadi, Krishna's intentions are pretty clear there. Krishna was just consoling Draupadi in both cases. We cannot say she influenced him in any visibly evident ways.
I dont know about the Gita she gave Bheema. So no comments there. Still, it failed to alter the events, right?
Tell me how Ps would have remained slaves without Draupadi if Yudhishthira had not asked her to act upon her intentions & instructions? How would they have remained in exile forever without her? Also how would there have been no Jaya without her? No verbal exercises please - only facts & evidences. Keeping aside the fact that I like Draupadi, there is no single direct evidence in entire Mahabharata that proves she controlled the direction of any major event that changed story...!!! Remember, I am not questioning her being a queen or a women, but the claim of Draupadi directly controlling major events to the level of being called a hero and the impossibility of Mahabharata/Jaya/whatever without her. You are free to disprove me & I am happy to get disproved - Truth alone shall dominate. Prove that she was THE HERO, at least considering my ignorance. I like to be enlightened on this.
Edit - One more thing. Draupadi was able to free Pandavas from slavery only because Dhritarashtra granted her boons which happened only after some jackals/wolves/donkeys began to howl outside the hall. So the fear of bad omens more influenced Dhritarashtra to grant her boons, not Draupadi's majesty. Besides, Duryodhana agreed to free Pandavas only after Arjuna said Yudhishthira was no more their master. So how will you prove Draupadi saved Pandavas? She only used the opportunity of the boons she was given. But any other women in her place could have done the same. It is not Draupadi's intelligence. But I salute her guts to keep her head straight even in that condition. Unfortunately, that did not influence main story.

Originally posted by: KURT15

🤣 logic is something that is at a premium here. let's wait and watch what they have next in store for us!! 😆

Originally posted by: ...Diala...

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1) She saved the Pandavas in DS. Fact. This was acknowledged by Karna, then by Dury through Uluka in Udyoga Parva. Fact.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Isn't he the same guy who told Draupadi dropped tomato sauce on her white saree & ran to DS saying "drag me not, idiot, can't you see I am menstruating????". AFAIR, Idrajeet also said Drau & Yudhi planned DS & Drau fell all DDSK using the trap of her sexuality like Devi Shachi did...hmmm, ineresting.
DISCLAIMER - I don't agree with a word IB wrote on Draupadi, except the one article on her birth. I simply disagree with him there.

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Seriously, I couldn't stop laughing at the way you said that...I remember my own reaction after reading that article...🤬Some of us had criticized IB on it, and he came back at us, when he was invited, and said how some feminists had bashed him in the forum...😆

By the way, welcome back...glad to see u after a long time...😊