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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Varnita.


I dont think it happens in whole Central India Arti, I also belongs from central India, Infact the most central part of central India 😆 Mangalsutra and Sindoor daan are the prominent custom of our family without which our marriages are not considered to be complete, and not only our Family but as many Marriages I have seen since my childhood I have found Mangalsutra as one of the most Important and Prominent custom for the completion of Marriages along with Sindoor Daan. Also Bichiyas and Bangles are also considered as the Important jewells of a Suhagan. I think it varies from family to Family, May be there are many families in SOuth India also who dont follow the custom of Mangalsutra 😕
I dont know, May be this cutom started from South India but it is also a very important custom in many families of central and North India!

That's what I thought...I mean, I know so many North Indian and Central Indian families who wear mangalsutras and they'd never dream of removing it. I think it depends on how traditional one's family is and also their family history. Many scriptures describe the auspiciousness of mangal sutra so I doubt it originated from Mandodari. It existed much before with Shiva and Parvathi's marriage, because Parvathi Ma's mangalsutra is said to be very auspicious. True, the prominent versions of Ramayan do not actually describe the mangalya dharana of Sita Ma, but that does not mean it did not happen, nor that Sita Ma did not wear mangal sutra. I guess we can never know what the customs of treta yuga were, but my family places great emphasis on mangal sutra so to consider Sita Ma without one is shocking for me. I grew up learning that she had one so unless I learn from the prominent versions that she did not wear one, I cannot believe otherwise.😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: Varnita.


I dont think it happens in whole Central India Arti, I also belongs from central India, Infact the most central part of central India 😆 Mangalsutra and Sindoor daan are the prominent custom of our family without which our marriages are not considered to be complete, and not only our Family but as many Marriages I have seen since my childhood I have found Mangalsutra as one of the most Important and Prominent custom for the completion of Marriages along with Sindoor Daan. Also Bichiyas and Bangles are also considered as the Important jewells of a Suhagan. I think it varies from family to Family, May be there are many families in SOuth India also who dont follow the custom of Mangalsutra 😕
I dont know, May be this cutom started from South India but it is also a very important custom in many families of central and North India!


i am talking about the natives of central india magalsutra it isnt their tradition it came much later i m specifically awadhi bundelkhand and bhangelkhand the marriage is accomplished without mangalutra,,,,,yaa today its considered imp too but,,mangalsutra in marriages were incorporated much later...u can read the references provided by neilu and krishni... mngalsutra basically hails from maharashtra tamil and kannada
besides i m talking about the tradition tht existed in tretayug if u read the books u will get strong evidence mangalsutra wasnt prevalent at tht time...if it existed kindly give the reference
in general the wedding could be accomplished without mangalsutra but it is incomplete without sindoor daan and saat pehre...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Vishnu Puran

Agni Puran

Skanda Puran,
Mahabhagwat Puran,

Devi Bhagwat puran,

Hanuman Samhita etc.

@red suprised to see ramayana is mentioned in so many versions lovely 😳btw do u know whts BHAVARTH RAMAYANA????😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: manzilmukul

First of all one should understand some basic concepts before making strong statements.Even if you describe the show as a nautanki then,its pious too coz the word nautanki itself has strong association with mythological tales.So instead of being dissapointed ,nautanki or melodrama actually adds interest and is equally holy.


Nautanki is one of the most popular folk operatic theater performance traditions of South Asia, particularly in northern India. Nautanki was the single most popular form of entertainment in the villages and towns of northern India.

The pleasure of Nautanki lies in the intense melodic exchanges between two or three performers; a chorus is also used sometimes. Traditional Nautankis usually start late at night, often around 10 p.m. or so, and go all night until sunrise the next morning (for a total of 8'10 hours in duration). There is no intermission in Nautanki performances. The performance is often punctuated with individual songs, dances, and skits, which serve as breaks and comic relief for audiences

Storylines of traditional Nautankis range from mythological and folk tales to stories of contemporary heroes. For instance, while Nautanki plays such as Satya-Harishchandra and Bhakt Moradhwaj are based on mythological themes, Indal Haran and Puranmal originated from folklores.

The history of the Nautanki performative tradition (also referred to as Swang) goes back several hundred years. Nautanki's origins lie in the folk performance traditions of Bhagat and Raasleela of Mathura and Vrindavan in Uttar Pradesh, and Khayal of Rajasthan Nautanki's history becomes clearer in the nineteenth century with the coming of the printing press in India and publication of Nautanki operas in the form of chap-books

Nautanki reached the pinnacle of its glory in the early 20th century when numerous Nautanki performing troupes, known as mandalis (literal meaning: groups) and akharas (literal meaning: wrestling arenas) came into existence. Nautanki mandalis were called akharas due to the prevalence of particular style of singing in Nautanki that required a lot of physical power. The Nautankis staged by these akharas became the main source of entertainment in the small towns and villages of Northern India, and remained as such until television and VCRs began to make inroads beginning in the early 1990s.Riding on its popularity, Nautanki progressed both in terms of form as well as content and its stage became bigger and more professional. Nautanki companies like Natharam's mandali, catching the cue from big Parsi theater (an urban Indian theater style) troupes such as Alfred Theater Company, started to present their performances outside the core region of its audience. Some performances occurred as far as in Myanmar

Nautanki still holds a strong influence over rural peoples' imagination, and even after the spread of mass media (such as television and radio), a crowd of 10,000 to 15,000 can be seen at the top Nautanki performances.

Being a resident of northern India,I take immense pride to watch mythological nautanki and BELIEVE me PEOPLE WHO HAVE WATCHED SWANG of ALLAHABAD couldn't agree more.

So even if the melodrama is included,still it's the HOLY RAMAYANA.

Also,its very interesting that ZEE TV Ramayana is actually taking a lot of interest and is incorporating lot of other popular versions and as I have always said NEW AND UNHEARD TALES are always a WELCOME change from regular stuff.Also I have given certain liberties to the show makers as no words can actually capture or DESCRIBE human emotions.So something left to imagination can be welcome..

Regarding the apsara dance,I was not at all apalled watching it.I was disapointed due the aesthetic appeal ,coz a better dancer would have done wonders,But EQUATING A PERSON'S AWE IN WITNESSING SOME MESMERISING TALENT TO LUST IS UNFAIR AND WRONG.Also BRAHMACHARYA is not about restricting yourself from watching women.It is about having PURE THOUGHTS.So if SAGES actually watched the dance MESMERISED by the dancing TALENT and forgot the muhurat due to being SPELL BOUND,Can we count it as LUST ? CERTAINLY NOT .As a dancer myself,I find it DISGRACEFUL to EQUATE the AWE with LUST.I rewatched the scene again and nowhere does it appear SAGES DROOLING ...Their eyes were wide apart with AWE AND MESMERIZATION and I do not consider it as LUST .

So the AUTHENTIC story of the apsara dance acrually finds its origin somewhere.I am pretty sure the show research team must have gone deep and KUDOS to them for bringing out something fresh and new.


I CERTAINLY AGREE that the BLOOPER was Sita ji without Veil and abhushan ,That was a BIG BLUNDER.I really hope they give her the proper attire which was befitting at that time.

As much as I am against the pallu system,I would love if they had maintained the look of those times.

APART from this,THE SHOW HAS BEEN WONDERFUL,THE TALES INTRICATELY AND INTERESTINGLY WOWEN WITH THE MAIN STORYLINE.I am very happy with the show.



piu i missed this one...great post...👏 will u incorporate nautanki in ur ss or os 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: JanakiRaghunath

That's what I thought...I mean, I know so many North Indian and Central Indian families who wear mangalsutras and they'd never dream of removing it. I think it depends on how traditional one's family is and also their family history. Many scriptures describe the auspiciousness of mangal sutra so I doubt it originated from Mandodari. It existed much before with Shiva and Parvathi's marriage, because Parvathi Ma's mangalsutra is said to be very auspicious. True, the prominent versions of Ramayan do not actually describe the mangalya dharana of Sita Ma, but that does not mean it did not happen, nor that Sita Ma did not wear mangal sutra. I guess we can never know what the customs of treta yuga were, but my family places great emphasis on mangal sutra so to consider Sita Ma without one is shocking for me. I grew up learning that she had one so unless I learn from the prominent versions that she did not wear one, I cannot believe otherwise.😳


I am not sure about mangalsutra History, But I also think it is not originated from Mandodari since mandodari came after Shiva Parwati marriage and we know that Shiva has tied a Mangalsutra to Parvati.
As for in India may be it is generated from south parts of India, Who knows? But now after so many years people get scattered all over, Some north Indians gone to South while some South Indians gone to North so for now in Kal yug we cant say that it basically belongs to only South India, It depends on the history of the Family and the customs it follow! For my family it is hard to imagine a marriage without a Mangalsutra, Sindor Daan and Saat Phere...These three and the most Prominient Customs for a Marriage.
As for Treta Yug and Sitaji, I dont know what is true or what not, We actually will never be able to know what happened that time, everything has a Possibility of 50/50 but like you said I also have imagined Sitamaa with a Mangalsutra since I have seen it in Marriages since childhood so I will also keep believing that Ramji tied a Mangalsutra to Sitaji until I get a very very strong source proving me wrong!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arti07


i am talking about the natives of central india magalsutra it isnt their tradition it came much later i m specifically awadhi bundelkhand and bhangelkhand the marriage is accomplished without mangalutra,,,,,yaa today its considered imp too but,,mangalsutra in marriages were incorporated much later...u can read the references provided by neilu and krishni... mngalsutra basically hails from maharashtra tamil and kannada
besides i m talking about the tradition tht existed in tretayug if u read the books u will get strong evidence mangalsutra wasnt prevalent at tht time...if it existed kindly give the reference
in general the wedding could be accomplished without mangalsutra but it is incomplete without sindoor daan and saat pehre...


Bundelkhand? 😲 Ohh God Arti, i also belongs from Bundelkhand!!! Let me know from which District you do Belong?😉
I dont know yar, My family is one of the oldest family known in Bundelkhand and we are following the custom since Eons, I am not saying you are wrong, May be the custom generated in South india but soon it is followed by most of the families in North India too and for now in kal yug we cant distinguish customs in North India or South India as the same customs got spread all over, Many south Indians dont follow Mangalsutra since their Ancestors dont use to follow it so it is not a north/South/Central India thing now!
As for Treta Yug, I am not sure...We have 50/50 chances for everything. I know, we have more evidences proving that it dosent existed in ram Sita's marriage as per the customs that time but we will never get to know what actually happened that time! So I am still reserching over it and no comments on my side over it till then!
But Thanks Neil, Krishni and to you too for providing the back stories, I am really learning a lott things from them! 😊

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Bundelkhand? 😲 Ohh God Arti, i also belongs from Bundelkhand!!! Let me know from which District you do Belong?😉
I dont know yar, My family is one of the oldest family known in Bundelkhand and we are following the custom since Eons, I am not saying you are wrong, May be the custom generated in South india but soon it is followed by most of the families in North India too and for now in kal yug we cant distinguish customs in North India or South India as the same customs got spread all over, Many south Indians dont follow Mangalsutra since their Ancestors dont use to follow it so it is not a north/South/Central India thing now!
As for Treta Yug, I am not sure...We have 50/50 chances for everything. I know, we have more evidences proving that it dosent existed in ram Sita's marriage as per the customs that time but we will never get to know what actually happened that time! So I am still reserching over it and no comments on my side over it till then!
But Thanks Neil, Krishni and to you too for providing the back stories, I am really learning a lott things from them! 😊


my family is scattered all over central india 😆 infact by birthplace is in bundelkhand..place where ramji spend 11 years of th forest exile😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arti07



Vishnu Puran

Agni Puran

Skanda Puran,
Mahabhagwat Puran,

Devi Bhagwat puran,

Hanuman Samhita etc.

@red suprised to see ramayana is mentioned in so many versions lovely 😳btw do u know whts BHAVARTH RAMAYANA????😳


Yeah I heard about Bhavartha ramayan, It was written in 16th Century by Eknath. Its version is Marathi, Right? But Eknath was not able to complete and died before and then it is completed by one of his Student.
I would appreciate if you do provide any other Information except it since Bhavarta Ramayan is a hidden version and not many people know about it! 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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mangalsutra is not an ancient tradition as is believed ..

we have put up so many links proving the fact..and there is not a single one which says ram tied mangalsutra...so i wont go this harsh on PH atleast for not showing mangalsutra..anyways we h ave debated this in last 5-6 pages...ab aur energy nahi hai to prove😆

sita wore choodamani..that was the mangal abhushan or symbol of marriage during ramayan times...


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Posted: 12 years ago
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I saw something like...Bavartha Ramayan here...I got a link on it english which I read earlier...it was an interesting piece...I'm sharing😳...http://www.scribd.com/doc/86756344/2/BHAVARTHA-RAMAYANA
Edited by Krishni51 - 12 years ago

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