White day and Black day DT pg 7 - Page 4

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Yeah, I mean both things. The truth is always right meaning, Abhi being Abhir's real father is more right than fake father. Saying the truth is always right meaning Ak shouldn't have lied, period.

And yeah lying to save someone's life is okie as long as you resolve that quickly and know that the person whose life you are saving will be cool with that.

I'm sorry but both things are incredibly incredibly flawed. I know you're taking the moral high ground but know that there are countless countless exceptions to both.

As I said, the world is not black and right.

Hm, what if you wanted to save someone's life because you love and care for them, and you lied to do that even knowing they would hate for you to lie to save them? So you're saying you shouldn't try??? Again, I have a feeling you don't believe this...

I know you're talking about this show specifically but I'm just analyzing these statements in a generic fashion.

In the context of ITV shows, your statements are probably legit with the way the stories are designed.

Originally posted by: lagjagale

You do get that :

One adopted son+ two babies + real father + real husband + brother > One adopted father and real husband

Both resulted in family members losing loved ones. Both will result in two innocent lives being sniffed out too soon. Both Neil and Abhinav dying is just as much of a tragedy. Technically Abhinav is an adoptive son to Neelamma and a brother to Muskaan as well.

This entire forum has become Akshara vs Abhimanyu and White day vs Black day. But in your pursuit to defend your preferred character, please do not diminish the trauma and deaths of Neil and Abhinav.

A death in a family of ten is not more tragic than a death in a family of five. A death is a tragedy no matter what. Signs like > and < should not be used to compare tragedies like this.

That's like saying the death of a man in power with an influential family is more important than the death of a poor man with a smaller family and less resources.

Another way to think of this is that someone who drowns in 3 feet of water is just as much dead as someone who drowns in 300 feet of water. You cannot compare tragedies and traumas. That's just plain wrong.

Originally posted by: zohakhan7

@bold Then how come that day a mother lost her son because as far as I remember Neil was not her biological kid thus he was not her real kid.Because here Abhir lost his father figure who wasn't his real father but Manjari who wasn't real mother of Neil lost her adult son ?

The fact is Abhir's real father is still alive. Abhir will not be deprived of father's love if AK allows this to happen. In reference to Manajari firstly the woman had lot of guts to accept her husband's illegitimate child of her husband as her own. Abhir is not about to become a father of a new born child.

Who said white day and black day are neutralized? It's just you. It can't be neutralized .

Originally posted by: firewings_diya

I agree but from ak side she even replaced abhi from her heart without trying to understand his trauma. Let's see how makers are planning to fix her deeds.

However wrong she is ...Mrs Sharma will akways be the epitome of love for Dr Birla...yehi mera rona hai

Akshara has every rights to move on. It was Abhimanyu who divorced her. You can't expect her to keep pining for the man that abandoned her the time she needed him the most. Besides, it wasn't the first time he initiated a divorce. Just because Abhimanyu is finding it hard to move on, doesn't mean even Akshara need to be stuck

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Yep yep. I don't think Abhi was blameless, as Ak was physically weak, and he should have handled things with more care. But Ak was toh 100% stupid. Infact she is always stupid only, so I don't know what to say about her.

If something like that happened in real life, the girl would go back to her parent's house and stay there until things settled and then try to talk to her husband again. Divorce is not a thing to be done like that. Even the first time, Abhi just randomly sent divorce papers, and Ak accepted. I mean, what is that? And I feel like the worst part is their families who never supported them when they fell weak. In such a situation, BP should have taken care of Ak and made sure nothing happened to her. She became his responsibility since Abhi was too overwhelmed with everything else. But nope, and now Abhi is being blamed for not looking for her.

All true And u know just to add ..Abhi did go looking for her..but the great wellwisher BP send him away that she is safe and fine and doesn't need u ..and then Goenkas didn't bother. Which family will not go look out for pregnant girl who was physically and emotionally weak..but Goenkas didnt...so basically lot of WD is misunderstanding as well which never got solved ...Akshara too decided overhearing Abhis sentence that I don't want anything to do with Akshara or kid....without knowing what Abhinav had said to Abhi just a moment back..a lame joke by stranger from wife's phone to mourning person..

Originally posted by: lagjagale

Yeah, I mean both things. The truth is always right meaning, Abhi being Abhir's real father is more right than fake father. Saying the truth is always right meaning Ak shouldn't have lied, period.

And yeah lying to save someone's life is okie as long as you resolve that quickly and know that the person whose life you are saving will be cool with that.

Absolutely..u know if Akshara didn't want to acknowledge Abhi as father out of anger..she could have left column of father name empty..but she shouldn't have lied ...and u know makers should emphasize that...that it was wrong...it's a crime...it was not ok to do so

Originally posted by: Kabhi18

I'm sorry but both things are incredibly incredibly flawed. I know you're taking the moral high ground but know that there are countless countless exceptions to both.

As I said, the world is not black and right.

Hm, what if you wanted to save someone's life because you love and care for them, and you lied to do that even knowing they would hate for you to lie to save them? So you're saying you shouldn't try??? Again, I have a feeling you don't believe this...

I know you're talking about this show specifically but I'm just analyzing these statements in a generic fashion.

In the context of ITV shows, your statements are probably legit with the way the stories are designed.

No, I actually believe this. I don't think lying ever helps in the long run. And pls explain to be how exactly, in real life, lying would save a life. Maybe if you give me examples, I can understand your point better.

And these are personal views ofc. I don't think the world is black and white, but in this one matter, I do believe it. There might be things you think are morally flawed that I don't. Like proposing to a married woman. I think that's completely fine as long as she is free to deny it. But then again, I do think proposing to the sister of someone you claimed publicly to love is wrong.

In my view, lying never helps. I am not saying Abhi hasn't lied cause he has, and its always been a bad outcome.

Originally posted by: Aditi_X

Both resulted in family members losing loved ones. Both will result in two innocent lives being sniffed out too soon. Both Neil and Abhinav dying is just as much of a tragedy. Technically Abhinav is an adoptive son to Neelamma and a brother to Muskaan as well.

This entire forum has become Akshara vs Abhimanyu and White day vs Black day. But in your pursuit to defend your preferred character, please do not diminish the trauma and deaths of Neil and Abhinav.

A death in a family of ten is not more tragic than a death in a family of five. A death is a tragedy no matter what. Signs like > and < should not be used to compare tragedies like this.

That's like saying the death of a man in power with an influential family is more important than the death of a poor man with a smaller family and less resources.

Another way to think of this is that someone who drowns in 3 feet of water is just as much dead as someone who drowns in 300 feet of water. You cannot compare tragedies and traumas. That's just plain wrong.

I don't think so. f we are really to compare the pain brought upon by a death, which is what was being compared, then yes, the number of people that death affects is a factor. It doesn't insult the person who died or anything. But how many people they influenced and affected obviously matters. I am not defending anyone; if you read my post, I have equated the two in terms of the situation and perspective of Abhi and Ak. But you cannot deny that Neil's death affected more people than Abhinav's. Abhinav has been a part of Ak and Abhir's life for six years. Neil was a part of Birla's house for pretty much his whole life, so at least 25 years. His death does have a greater impact than Nav's death does.

But that doesn't invalidate the pain felt by Ak and Abhir. And that is the whole point. Now they are in the position that Manjari and Abhi were. Now Ak will blame Abhi baselessly and will also learn her lesson that grief makes us to things we wouldn't normally do.