Is not wanting to work also a woman's choice? - Page 6

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

Absolutely. I cannot really comment on current rural Indian scenarios but in urban India, things are changing. Infact the change has been consistent.

Our boys are raised right. Also, when boys move out for education and/or work, they are forced to fend for themselves and life makes them learn things and appreciate their mother's struggles.

At home, the boys may insist on not eating food made in the morning for dinner or despise certain household chores but when they move out and have to cook, clean and care for themselves and the house, they will eat the same food week long as well and learn to operate every appliance around the house or manually work.

There have also been instances (although low) where the women has had a good pay and the men have taken it on themselves.

I am not saying it is massive but we will get there.

As for women's choice of being a homemaker, there could be many. Including the fact that there may be aged parents, parents-in-law needing care, kids and the sheer fact that there may be financial constraints in not being able to afford a creche or nurse or househelp.

I am glad there are so many points and we are discussing it and exchanging viewpoints.

Author of the topic: Thank you for bringing it up.

Regarding womans career.....in india only 23% women with college degree have a job

In asia and africa its not easy for woman to get job even after doing college or being highly qualified

Because professional space is male dominated

Even today company may not put ad saying "Only males required" But they usually reccruit a male over female even if both have same qualification for various reasons

Like woman may get pregnant, refuse to travel or work late nights or at night etc

So thats one reason many woman are at home as home makers rather than because they want to stay home

Originally posted by: ga1986

I agree with you on women in their 50s and 60s subjected to this taunt . My mother and MIL still are sometimes ...It was one of the reasons why my mother was so keen I have a good career and I'm grateful to her for that .

But coming to the scenario now , I think men in general are more respectful of women's choices and acknowledging openly the role played by them as homemakers , caregivers etc . In my family , my cousin sister almost 20 years ago , despite having an arch degree and work experience of 2-3 years , herself decided she didnt want to continue working and be a homemeker (by her own admission it really wasnt career of her choice and flexibility to switch careers did not exist much then) . She declared this upfront when the guy came to meet her for marriage , and he himself being in a high profile stressful job that would assure them financial security was totally fine with it .

Similar is case with a cousin Bhabhi . She is an MBA with work ex , but willingly gave it up when they had to move abroad during initial years and then later to take care of their daughter . Here also she said she would often feel stressed due to high pressures of her job , she is domestic by nature and loves housekeeping , cooking etc . Now that her daughter is grown up , she has started to pursue a career in freelance writing , something that offers her flexibility and is also of her interest .

In both the cases , the choices were theirs and notably both enjoy and derive satisfaction from their role as a homemaker . Also the importance of their contribution is openly expressed by their partners ,I'm not sure if they are subjected to taunts the kinds our mothers faced or Anupamaa faces in the show . In such cases are their choices wrong ?

Perhaps.What appears to us (as outsiders as wrong), maybe right for the couple in your examples. Each of our opinions are based on our own perspectives. So,there is nothing right/wrong here. We all do what is best for us/family in a given situation.

Being productive is an innate desire of humans, irrespective of gender. Being valued in a marriage by the partner is also similar desire and rightly so.

Financial dependency is not good in the longrun. But working outside the house is not only about money. There are intangible benefits of working besides money such as exposure to outside world,confidence etc that helps in building a better life. If anyone has an opportunity to work (outside home) they should, IMO.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Regarding womans career.....in india only 23% women with college degree have a job

In asia and africa its not easy for woman to get job even after doing college or being highly qualified

Because professional space is male dominated

Even today company may not put ad saying "Only males required" But they usually reccruit a male over female even if both have same qualification for various reasons

Like woman may get pregnant, refuse to travel or work late nights or at night etc

So thats one reason many woman are at home as home makers rather than because they want to stay home

I am not sure of the percentages of working women. I am not really sure of any census depicting it either because most agencies (whatever their claims) fudge data to suit their interests. Also, in a volatile world of today, things so rapidly change that tracking it is inadvertently challenging.

India is moving ahead and in the right direction. She has always and is also leading the way in sustainable changes.

But here are some examples.

From a long time, many cottage industries are women dominated. Many teaching, banks, handlooms, cloth mills and even steel burring jobs had a high percentage of women employees. Many of these jobs ran in shifts.

Many new government loans for small and medium businesses have been availed by women.

Yes, there was a time that employers, especially in companies hesitated in employing women in certain roles for the reasons you mentioned but nowadays there are drives to increase diversity and women employees have facilities to support them like extended maternity leaves, in-house child and elderly care, flexible working hours and work patterns. ALL this with an intention to welcome returning mothers into the workforce and help in retention of female employees.

In today's times we have seen ourselves, our parents and cousins working and enjoying a career of their choice. At workplace there are multiple instances of ALL women teams. We ALL remember the visuals of Mars Orbitter Mission on Television, Newspaper which inspired the movie Mission Mangal.

As for the example of Smt.Sudha Murthy, the capital for Softronics and Infosys was a loan she gave Shri.Narayan Murthy. She was also among the first drvelopers along with other spouses of the founding members.

Here is a short clip that might help.

The full video is inspirational but Watch from 12:30 for this topic:

https://youtu.be/71DxF-IY118

Sudha Murthy was the first female engineer ever hired by Tata Group in Telco. ❤️ She has an Masters from IIS.

Mentioning Sudha Murthy in a topic related to gawaar like Pakhi feels like a personal insult. 😆

As per govt reports 68% Educated Urban Indian Women Are Unemployed Despite college Education(12th and above) in 2019

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-female-labour-participation-rate-falls-161-pandemic-hits-jobs-2021-08-03/

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

I am not sure of the percentages of working women. I am not really sure of any census depicting it either because most agencies (whatever their claims) fudge data to suit their interests. Also, in a volatile world of today, things so rapidly change that tracking it is inadvertently challenging.

India is moving ahead and in the right direction. She has always and is also leading the way in sustainable changes.

But here are some examples.

From a long time, many cottage industries are women dominated. Many teaching, banks, handlooms, cloth mills and even steel burring jobs had a high percentage of women employees. Many of these jobs ran in shifts.

Many new government loans for small and medium businesses have been availed by women

Yes, there was a time that employers, especially in companies hesitated in employing women in certain roles for the reasons you mentioned but nowadays there are drives to increase diversity and women employees have facilities to support them like extended maternity leaves, in-house child and elderly care, flexible working hours and work patterns. ALL this with an intention to welcome returning mothers into the workforce and help in retention of female employees.

In today's times we have seen ourselves, our parents and cousins working and enjoying a career of their choice. At workplace there are multiple instances of ALL women teams. We ALL remember the visuals of Mars Orbitter Mission on Television, Newspaper which inspired the movie Mission Mangal.

As for the example of Smt.Sudha Murthy, the capital for Softronics and Infosys was a loan she gave Shri.Narayan Murthy. She was also among the first drvelopers along with other spouses of the founding members.

Here is a short clip that might help.

The full video is inspirational but Watch from 12:30 for this topic:

https://youtu.be/71DxF-IY118

As per govt reports 68% Educated Urban Indian Women Are Unemployed Despite college Education(12th and above) in 2019

Women in india cannot easily do business. How many women have you seen as business men? Men only find it tough

An BE or MBA cannot open cottage industry or garments or diary farm its waste of her studies. These loans are taken for other purposes never returned in first place(as per report of RBI only)

In reality india is more worst than bangladesh or pakistan in giving jobs to women.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

As per govt reports 68% Educated Urban Indian Women Are Unemployed Despite college Education(12th and above) in 2019

Women in india cannot easily do business. How many women have you seen as business men? Men only find it tough

An BE or MBA cannot open cottage industry or garments or diary farm its waste of her studies. These loans are taken for other purposes never returned in first place(as per report of RBI only)

In reality india is more worst than bangladesh or pakistan in giving jobs to women.

@bold:

I really hope you understand and realise that these are serious pointers against a nation.

What are your sources that claim the numbers? If they are government issued figures, there surely must be a link if you can quote.

If I may ask, are you currently based out of India? Do you work here?

About women employment in India:

1. Just for the record:

https://www.smartbusinessbox.in/women-entrepreneurs-in-india/

2. Oh how can we forget Lijjat Papad and Amul

3. Do I need to mention other fields like politics, sports?

(Assuming you consider them worthy of earning a livelihood).

@blue: Am sure you have heard of Textile Engineering or Chemical Engineering or the new trends of sustainable fabric or brands like Biba?

If any job is demeaned, then that is an issue of Dignity of labour.

Sorry, NO Industry, NO Business is small or big and can be demeaned. Any education will stand by you in better understanding global dynamics.

You mean there is no market analysis in fashion industry, no calculation of trends, or diversification in dairy?

@green: That is not the point. So, you are Assuming loans taken by men would be returned? Really? A man can avail loan and not divert it elsewhere or such loans dont land in NPA?

Loans are not given based on gender. Furthermore, even if they were to land in NPA, the loan is granted basis registered information provided to safeguard the woman entrepreneur from diverting funds.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

As per govt reports 68% Educated Urban Indian Women Are Unemployed Despite college Education(12th and above) in 2019

Women in india cannot easily do business. How many women have you seen as business men? Men only find it tough

An BE or MBA cannot open cottage industry or garments or diary farm its waste of her studies. These loans are taken for other purposes never returned in first place(as per report of RBI only)

In reality india is more worst than bangladesh or pakistan in giving jobs to women.

I am not sure about percentage of working women and my knowledge is limited in case of stats.

I want to say something on basis of my observation. In my local market, every 2 or 3 shop is being handled by a woman alone or with her husband.

In every corner of a street either it is big city or small town, there is a parlour or boutique which is owned by a woman. Ironer too.

Small store, big store, sports shop, car show room, jewellery showroom, there are women not as a sales girl but on different posts.

Woman are managing work from home also like selling bedsheets, handlooms, cosmetics..

Taking tutions, running coaching centres.

If career means job in MNC, a doctor or engineer, scientist, so yes percentage may be less.. But i dont agree with statement ..preference is given to men.. Or women are confined to homes only.

If we see pros and cons, then men switch job frequent ly but women do not. So, in companies, this point is also considered.

Last but not least, vegetable seller, domestic help. There is no flat, not a single flat in any apt., in any society where there is no domestic help as cleaner or cook.

May be off topic but funny real incident....

A man from a small town of UP.. phd in yoga and accupressure.. Chachundar jaisi shakal, dhele bhar ki akal, height kum, koyle jaisa kaala..

Only plus point was yoga expert, belongs to a famous family... But proud like maharaja , n isko shaadi ke liye koi ladki mana hi nahi kar sakti

Wife aisi chahiye buss jise khana banana aata ho..khane mei test (taste) Chalo good, atleast isse pata hai isse wife se kya chahiye..

One day came with long face... Reason was...

Hum ladki dekhne gaye the gaon mei, ladki ekdum bekaar thi... Usne kaha ki khana banane mei uski koi ruchi nahi hai. 😂🤣

Moral: girls smart ho gayi hai..They know what they want..

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

@bold:

I really hope you understand and realise that these are serious pointers against a nation.

What are your sources that claim the numbers? If they are government issued figures, there surely must be a link if you can quote.

If I may ask, are you currently based out of India? Do you work here?

About women employment in India:

1. Just for the record:

https://www.smartbusinessbox.in/women-entrepreneurs-in-india/

2. Oh how can we forget Lijjat Papad and Amul

3. Do I need to mention other fields like politics, sports?

(Assuming you consider them worthy of earning a livelihood).

@blue: Am sure you have heard of Textile Engineering or Chemical Engineering or the new trends of sustainable fabric or brands like Biba?

If any job is demeaned, then that is an issue of Dignity of labour.

Sorry, NO Industry, NO Business is small or big and can be demeaned. Any education will stand by you in better understanding global dynamics.

You mean there is no market analysis in fashion industry, no calculation of trends, or diversification in dairy?

@green: That is not the point. So, you are Assuming loans taken by men would be returned? Really? A man can avail loan and not divert it elsewhere or such loans dont land in NPA?

Loans are not given based on gender. Furthermore, even if they were to land in NPA, the loan is granted basis registered information provided to safeguard the woman entrepreneur from diverting funds.

I am talking of loan taken by both men and women on various schemes of banks not only for women (but since this discussion was on woman employment please read RBI reports on NPAs on MSME etc if you want to know on that)

Pls read links or go to world bank reports on women unemployment if you want to read more. I have attached some links already in this or other posts

I am talking of college educated women not getting jobs (those with BSc, Bcom, BE, MBA etc) being unemployed. I do not think they want to open papad making or biba etc most of them or they would not do BE/MBA only 10th or fashion course enough for that. Thats all self employment, this is employment in companies that i am talking off based on education proficiency .

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I am talking of loan taken by both men and women on various schemes of banks not only for women (but since this discussion was on woman employment please read RBI reports on NPAs on MSME etc if you want to know on that)

Pls read links or go to world bank reports on women unemployment if you want to read more. I have attached some links already in this or other posts

Sorry, if you could guide me to the links, please. Even if you can link the comments.

I say this so that there is a single point of reference.

Also, so we are on the same page (please correct my understanding of your statement):

You are meaning to say that: "Loans availed by women are more likely to be diverted or land in NPAs" and there are RBI Reports suggesting it?????

Also, please refer to the Press Release by the Government of India which provides year wise employment of women across ALL states. Since they are government websites, I am not sure they can be quoted.