Is not wanting to work also a woman's choice? - Page 7

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I am talking of loan taken by both men and women on various schemes of banks not only for women (but since this discussion was on woman employment please read RBI reports on NPAs on MSME etc if you want to know on that)

Pls read links or go to world bank reports on women unemployment if you want to read more. I have attached some links already in this or other posts

I am talking of college educated women not getting jobs (those with BSc, Bcom, BE, MBA etc) being unemployed. I do not think they want to open papad making or biba etc most of them or they would not do BE/MBA only 10th or fashion course enough for that. Thats all self employment, this is employment in companies that i am talking off based on education proficiency .

Again, you are mixing issues. And this is a case of Dignity of Labour.

There are atleast high two digit Papad brands in the market. Sustaining in a competitive environment requires skill, strategy, reach, innovation, marketing and planning.

Biba is a fashion brand, why would one not want to be a part of it if they are suitably qualified (by talent or by education or both)?

It is always relative, right? Relative, comparative conclusions, right? Compared to time, compared to gender etc.

Each year, there are millions graduating and coming to the job market owing to the population. There are limited jobs. Educated, graduate men as much as women have to struggle to find a job. More so, a job that matches their skill.

Gender ratio would mean for 100 male graduates there may be 80 female graduates. Our calculation should be based on the 80 male graduates who qualify for a job and not the entire quantum population.

When finding a job becomes tough, they show the courage to start an enterprise. Have already shared the link to the top 35 women entrepreneurs in India.

If in this scenario, there is an effort to generate employment, however humble beginning it may be, is worth the effort. In any case, the point is of women employment.

The thing is, her husband is not gonna be supportive of her sitting around and doing nothing like she does. He asked her to work and she said no. It's unfair to him...they aren't gonna last long at this rate.

Also, like people mentioned here, having an education is important in the likelihood that you'll have to start working for some reason (some circumstance may call for it). It's a fail safe and every women should get educated so that they don't have to rely on anyone if the situation calls for them to be on their own/independent. That's why her mom keeps reminding her of that.

Of course, Pakhi is an idiot in every possible way and this too much for her to understand.

Originally posted by: ChirpyKiya10

I am not sure about percentage of working women and my knowledge is limited in case of stats.

I want to say something on basis of my observation. In my local market, every 2 or 3 shop is being handled by a woman alone or with her husband.

In every corner of a street either it is big city or small town, there is a parlour or boutique which is owned by a woman. Ironer too.

Small store, big store, sports shop, car show room, jewellery showroom, there are women not as a sales girl but on different posts.

Woman are managing work from home also like selling bedsheets, handlooms, cosmetics..

Taking tutions, running coaching centres.

If career means job in MNC, a doctor or engineer, scientist, so yes percentage may be less.. But i dont agree with statement ..preference is given to men.. Or women are confined to homes only.

If we see pros and cons, then men switch job frequent ly but women do not. So, in companies, this point is also considered.

Last but not least, vegetable seller, domestic help. There is no flat, not a single flat in any apt., in any society where there is no domestic help as cleaner or cook.

May be off topic but funny real incident....

A man from a small town of UP.. phd in yoga and accupressure.. Chachundar jaisi shakal, dhele bhar ki akal, height kum, koyle jaisa kaala..

Only plus point was yoga expert, belongs to a famous family... But proud like maharaja , n isko shaadi ke liye koi ladki mana hi nahi kar sakti

Wife aisi chahiye buss jise khana banana aata ho..khane mei test (taste) Chalo good, atleast isse pata hai isse wife se kya chahiye..

One day came with long face... Reason was...

Hum ladki dekhne gaye the gaon mei, ladki ekdum bekaar thi... Usne kaha ki khana banane mei uski koi ruchi nahi hai. 😂🤣

Moral: girls smart ho gayi hai..They know what they want..

Very well said.

Urban india is changing very fast..not just the educated ones but middle class families , lower middle class and lower class households are being "run" by women .. Maids etc work for half day , basically trying to balance between work and home , what the normal working class girls try to do .

They leave their children to fend for themselves, with their in laws or siblings or neighbour's .. of course there is a flip side to it..but it's the question of their survival so they do it..most of their husbands r useless , drunkards , abusers , gamblers ..they have no option but to work and they have a lot of work in urban cities n they charge a bomb..their children study in govt schools for free . Their books and uniform is free...food is available in abundance trust me..they just don't live a luxurious life that's it..

Talking about middle class , middle class housewives gladly help their husbands in business as they get an opportunity to be away from saas bahu kit kit and chores. Some r self employed , doing well for themselves ..some r working , they also struggle to balance but they do it to have some more luxuries.. .

Some areas like teaching, parlours , boutiques , small scale food businesses , jewellery shops , there women dominate ..even in managing the retail shops . N in corporates , banks and industries , there is proper balance of boys and girls getting employment. When industries r set up in villages and remote areas , they have to give employment to the local people, it's a rule.

Percentage of educated girls is rising I am sure , all families r educating the girl child..but for educated class , the opportunities are equal..they struggle for jobs , promotions , there's no gender discrimination there.

With the explosion of internet , and now max population learning to use internet through phones , they can easily promote their businesses or their talent which was not possible sometime back .... Again, equal opportunity for both boys and girls, all depends on how they use it . So many women have promoted their home grown businesses on insta ..women have earned pretty awesome just by posting recipes on YouTube..

Pick up the matrimonial ads , 90% of the boys want to marry working girls. 💪 what happens after shadi is their understanding . Dividing chores and work , kids and house , in laws and maayka , nowdays girls make everything clear before marriage so that they know what they are getting into .

Lastly pl don't judge india by the TV shows.. we r much better than that 😆

Then Paakhi should stop expecting others to agree to her baseless demands. If she wants all the luxuries, she should earn and spend her own money to attain the luxuries. Why is she expecting Adhik to meet her baseless demands.

Financial independence is important for every boy and girl out there. Anupama might be wrong in many things but I support her in this. Anupama has seen how it feels to be mocked and degraded due to lack of education. She does not want her daughter to go through the same so what is wrong with that?

agree. pakhi should work for her bread

Originally posted by: Rein123

Yes I agree that women should be independent both financially and emotionally but not all women are career oriented in that sense and only wish to become or remain as homemakers not that I support it or think alike but not everyone is the same now aren't they? So why judge? Kavya was judged earlier for being a poor homemaker as she was more into her job and couldn't do the chores properly and here Pakhi is being judged for not wanting to study and remain as a housewife?

If Pakhi is not interested in having a career why isn't her choice being respected? If she is happy as a housewife who wants to be supported by her husband financially why is that such a bad thing? There are so many women just like her who are just fine with not having a career. Yes keeping aside her entitled and bratty nature, I don't think her choosing to be just a housewife is such a big deal, so why is that so hard for anupamaa to understand?

Because a housewife who wants to be supported by her husband should AT LEAST manage the house and finances properly.

Because the countless women in the last century whose struggles that we stand on count on us.

Because she has a responsibility towards her parents who had so many dreams for her to AT LEAST finish her basic graduation.

Come on. Who are we kidding. She just wants to sit idle, she confessed herself. She is a a disgusting piece of crap.

glad they finally addressed this topic on the show

Originally posted by: Bodhianveshika

**long post alert**

Well, there are too many topics mixed in this.

a. Differential treatment of Paritosh-Kinjal and Pakhi-Adhik marriage.

b. Pakhi being the pampered brat.

c. Parenting issues in Shah house. Drawing examples from Wagle ki Duniya.

d. How is Barkha at Kapadia's when Pakhi was asked to leave?

Parenting issues in Shah House:

1. There cannot be a one size fits ALL template to parenting.

Whatever methods were successfully employed on one needn't work on anyone else. Anupama asking them both to live on their own was with the intention to face the real world.

2. Consider a topper who for whatever reason fails for the first time in his life. They are not able to accept their failure. This is what is happening to Pakhi.

If it did not happen while she was young, she has to learn the hard way. One can only guide someone who is receptive, here Pakhi is in a bubble of her own. She will realise when the bubble breaks.

If you don't learn to bend, life teaches you to.

3. Is Sakhi married in Wagle Ki Duniya? If marriage is not in the equation, i am afraid, it would still be a false equivalence.

I was referring to Atharva who is the mischievous and some times pretty disobedient as seen in some episodes given he was shown throwing tantrums not Sakhi, but if we were to talk abt Sakhi then even though she isnt married she too has her own disagreements with her parents especially when it comes to Vivaan.

Wagle ki duniya is a nice show and depicts Indian middleclass. Pakhi does not fit in to that context.

While at it, we ALL know the problem statement, however, what could be the solution? Would be curious to get some interesting, effective ways to correct Pakhi.

There is an old song (although it is a very positive and good context).

How do you solve a problem like Maria,

How do you catch a cloud and pin it down,

How do you find a word that means Maria😊.

Pakhi being the pampered brat.

1. How she was treated in Shah House was to Pakhi the daughter. She married Adhik. They are partners.

I am sure she understands that difference very well. There is a role change. She is old enough to understand that.

I dont think she understands that at all, she doesnt have that level of maturity yet.

Well she is smart enough to emotionally manipulate and instigate Vanraj against Anupama and Anuj, she is smart enough to purposely move to a rental place opposite the Shahs, so, she knows exactly what she is doing. Tough situation demand tough actions. And she is beyond repair.

I think she is doing everything on purpose just to get back at everyone by not giving them what they want.

2. She also knows what she has got into. She had planned it out in her head. Her reactions are not because of how she was treated at Shah House. Her reactions are a result of her plans failing. More than that it is the social validation that she seeks. This is true for many her age.

Differential treatment of Paritosh-Kinjal and Pakhi-Adhik marriage.

1. We ALL agree about there being no real justifiable reason for the differential treatment to the 2 weddings. We have called that out as well.

2. That being a reason for her behaviour, makes no sense to me. Again, when she was corrected for her behaviour, the reasons given by Anupama were not correct either. I have pointed it out on many occasions. Her behaviour was not Right. Period. Not because Barkha is a Saas figure not because she is in her sasural.

Anyway, like I said she would NOT have adhered anyway.

How is Barkha at Kapadia's when Pakhi was asked to leave?

1. So instigation, intentions are as big a crime as actual actions, right? Again, false equivalence.

Anyway, they would have left but for the Dimple track. Now they want Ankush-Barkha to stay to take care of Choti Anu while Anupama takes on the goons, right?

2. They committed a crime, they were rightfully humiliated and made to apologise to, hold your breath, Shahs🤦🏻‍♀️.

I am wondering what punishment have other "instigators" got including Anupama. Come to think of it, we can consider Kinjal's resentment of Rakhi a result of instigation from Anupama?

3. That means intention to harm is as big a crime as actually committing it. Why is Vanraj still at large? Oh wait, he is Anuj's bestie now🤔.

This even I can't answer the makers would know that best

Originally posted by: Rein123

Yes I agree that women should be independent both financially and emotionally but not all women are career oriented in that sense and only wish to become or remain as homemakers not that I support it or think alike but not everyone is the same now aren't they? So why judge? Kavya was judged earlier for being a poor homemaker as she was more into her job and couldn't do the chores properly and here Pakhi is being judged for not wanting to study and remain as a housewife?

If Pakhi is not interested in having a career why isn't her choice being respected? If she is happy as a housewife who wants to be supported by her husband financially why is that such a bad thing? There are so many women just like her who are just fine with not having a career. Yes keeping aside her entitled and bratty nature, I don't think her choosing to be just a housewife is such a big deal, so why is that so hard for anupamaa to understand?

My pov is little different here. I am surrounded by ppl who is working as well as chose to not to work and remain house wife.

Ppl who are working including me we are always surrounded by a thought that what if we loose job and loose the income that we are getting and we try to constantly look for another source of income to earn our living. Its not that its mandatory for us to work but after working so long its hard to imagine a life without earning.

Ppl who are accustomed with staying at home or want to become homemaker i have seen them getting consious while purchasing a even small item as they think they are becoming burden on others. They start hiding lot of things including their illness. They try to save money as much as they can.

From my pov everyone should start looking for a source of income and they have to ensure that they are not so dependent on others as life is unpredictable. I am not sure what anupama did but if anupama as a mother tried making her understand this then it may not be wrong.as when child go wrong only parents can correct them. But if she forced her then she might be wrong as ultimately its pakhi's choice anupama can only advice her and she is not entitled to control her life.