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Posted: 8 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: pomegranate

use laugh emoticons to mock all you want. but what I meant was showing child marriage as cute and happy in a country where the outcomes of child marriage is horrible is highly insensitive. It is a social evil in india, but sugarcoating and romanticizing won't hide the ugly reality that exists.



Bottomline: So that means the story is not horrible but the people who get inspired wrongly from it are horrible. And than we have sensible ones who blame the show for it. Than why protest when girls are told not to wear shorts and not to walk alone at night? Whose fault is it if things go wrong? The one who displayed leg or the one who got provoked seeing it?

Whatever gave you the idea that it was trying to 'hide' reality? You do realize what fiction means, right? It's the opposite of reality.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#52
agree to disagree. unlike you, I won;t resort to mocking people to prove my point.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#53

Originally posted by: ErisedWitch45


So that is your modus operandi? Twisting narratives? Good to see such a "well" thought out POA.

I along with 1.3 lakh + people felt the same. And for whatever reason PPK is off air.

O and I am a Potterhaed too. Irrelevant but wanted to add that despite your retorts, I actually like your dp. Hermione punching Draco is one of my fav moments from TPOA



What do I say, Indians are good at wanting to be "progressive". And now they all also have access to this new trendy tool called social media 😆

PPK is off air and that's good because the creatives had become clueless about what to show.. there was hardly any story.

Thanks! Potterhead for life.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#54
I honestly have no interest in getting into this arguments because I already know where fans of this show stand on child marriage, but someone made the point that child marriage is legal in the US, and I have no idea where that's come from. I live in the US, and no, child marriage is certainly not legal here and if it ever happens, strict action is taken against the people involved.

In the United States, all but one state requires that a couple be 18 in order to marry without parental permission. Nebraska sets the age of majority at 19. Although a few states will waive this requirement if there is a pregnancy, teenage couples may still have to have court approval.

The only exception is in cases of teenage pregnancy, in which both partners are teenagers over the age of 14 (not one adult, one teenager), and if they both want to get married and both have the consent of their parents, they can file for court approval, and only if the court approves their appeal (each situation is different) do they have permission to marry.

Otherwise, anything else is considered child marriage, which is also considered a form of child abuse, and punishable by law.

Even in India, the legal age for women to marry is 18 and for men 21. As this show takes place in India, this is the age that must be respected and followed.

There is no opinion, no personal belief that goes into account regarding this. India is a democracy. It's ruled under one law, and yeah loopholes are there and people take advantage of the law when they can, but the law is there, and the law must be followed. It doesn't matter whether you believe child marriage is evil or not. It doesn't matter if your parents or grandparents had a child marriage and turned out 'fine'. It doesn't matter that you think child marriage is not a social evil. According to the law, it is. There is no two opinions about it. Believe it or not, I don't care, but people had better follow it because otherwise, they are considered criminal under law.

It's weird that divorce is being brought into this. Divorce isn't a social evil, whatever your opinion may be about it. Two consenting adults are free to marry whomever they wish, and they can divorce whomever they wish if they feel the marriage isn't working. That's not illegal because the law has given them the freedom to live the life they want.

As for teenage pregnancy, it's an unfortunate phenomenon and I agree it's a social evil that's becoming more common in our society. However, if the pregnancy occurs between two minors (under the age of 18), it's not illegal unless it's a case of rape. Two minors are allowed to have consensual sex. However, if an adult over the age of 18 has sex with a child under the age of 18, that is considered rape whether the sex was consensual or not, because an adult under law cannot under any circumstance have sex with a minor, consensual or not. That is the law, no matter what people believe.

Now, I don't know why the concept of sex has come up since PPK hasn't gone that far, thank God, but people here seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of child marriage. Fans of PPK keep saying the show doesn't have child marriage, but it does.

Did not an 18 year old woman marry a 9-year old boy? Did that or did that not happen?

I understand that the reason why it happened may have been 'innocent', but it did happen. That is something no one can argue against. A marriage did happen between them, and since one of the partners is a child, it's by definition called a child marriage, and thus, the show has child marriage.

This is a fact no one who's seen the show can deny.

Also, from where comes the believe that people who are condemning the show haven't seen it? Why would people criticize something without seeing it? Why would they even care? I've seen the show, and I know many people who have also, and nothing I've seen disproves my view that this show is promoting child marriage. If Ratan had been shown as a victim even once, if he'd been shown angry or confused for being in a marriage so young, or if Diya had been shown unhappy and guilty that she married a child, I might have changed my opinion, but nothing like that has happened.

I know there are many other regressive shows on TV, I'm not saying they're not, but we're discussing this show, and this show certainly has controversial content. No one can deny that. If it was up to me, I would wish for all other regressive shows to be banned too, but it's not that easy, and there are certainly people protesting other shows too, but I feel it's a step in the right direction that a channel has actually taken people's protests seriously. Perhaps from now on, directors and producers will think twice before coming up with a regressive concept again. Shows don't need to be super progressive if people aren't ready for it, but if they're at least not regressive, it would be tolerable.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#55
See in a normal scenario Ai would've left this as to each their own, but child marriage and stalking is not a matter of opinion. It's only a matter of what's right and wrong. And according to the Indian law, child marriage is banned and for a reason. I'd appreciate it if we could limit our discussion to India and not bring US into it as this show is set in India, hence being subject to Indian laws.
Now Khushi, you said stalking depends on the intent. Let's say two individuals A and B, are working together. Now A loves B and hence follows her/him around. A does not have any bad intention, neither will A molest or harass B. However, B is clearly uncomfortable as it is a violation of privacy(which also is a fundamental right in India). Now A's cleat intentions do not justify the actions.

India has a majority act, because it is believed that certain decisions, such as marriage, require an individual to understand the effects of such a decision upon his/her interest.
In law there is no opinion, there is only right and wrong.

Now as for the comparisons with GoT, a show which is set in medivial times when such practises were a common everyday norm. And if you have ever overheard GoT fans talk, we admire the bravery of the female warrior Khaleesi or the integrity of Jon Snow. Martial rape, which isn't even a crime according to Indian law, is recognised as one in Got. When Ramsay Bolton raped his own wife Sansa, it was called rape, not sex as it wasn't consensual. And Sanasa even got her revenge for the crime committed on her, and people rejoiced it. It showed Indians that even a husband is capable of raping his wife.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#56
Some replies here are shocking 😕
Childmarriage is a crime and it's illegal in India .. There must be some reasons why govt made child mairrage illegal and instead of spreading awareness about same there comes a show which glorifies it And make it look cute 🤢 This ph has always made regressive shows ..

About GOT like really comparing this crapfest with got 😆 That show is set in fantasy land and even their wrong is shown as wrong only unlike here where illegal stuff is being glorified
A 9 year old behaving like a husband is 🤢
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Posted: 8 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

I honestly have no interest in getting into this arguments because I already know where fans of this show stand on child marriage, but someone made the point that child marriage is legal in the US, and I have no idea where that's come from. I live in the US, and no, child marriage is certainly not legal here and if it ever happens, strict action is taken against the people involved.

In the United States, all but one state requires that a couple be 18 in order to marry without parental permission. Nebraska sets the age of majority at 19. Although a few states will waive this requirement if there is a pregnancy, teenage couples may still have to have court approval.

The only exception is in cases of teenage pregnancy, in which both partners are teenagers over the age of 14 (not one adult, one teenager), and if they both want to get married and both have the consent of their parents, they can file for court approval, and only if the court approves their appeal (each situation is different) do they have permission to marry.

Otherwise, anything else is considered child marriage, which is also considered a form of child abuse, and punishable by law.

Even in India, the legal age for women to marry is 18 and for men 21. As this show takes place in India, this is the age that must be respected and followed.

There is no opinion, no personal belief that goes into account regarding this. India is a democracy. It's ruled under one law, and yeah loopholes are there and people take advantage of the law when they can, but the law is there, and the law must be followed. It doesn't matter whether you believe child marriage is evil or not. It doesn't matter if your parents or grandparents had a child marriage and turned out 'fine'. It doesn't matter that you think child marriage is not a social evil. According to the law, it is. There is no two opinions about it. Believe it or not, I don't care, but people had better follow it because otherwise, they are considered criminal under law.

It's weird that divorce is being brought into this. Divorce isn't a social evil, whatever your opinion may be about it. Two consenting adults are free to marry whomever they wish, and they can divorce whomever they wish if they feel the marriage isn't working. That's not illegal because the law has given them the freedom to live the life they want.

As for teenage pregnancy, it's an unfortunate phenomenon and I agree it's a social evil that's becoming more common in our society. However, if the pregnancy occurs between two minors (under the age of 18), it's not illegal unless it's a case of rape. Two minors are allowed to have consensual sex. However, if an adult over the age of 18 has sex with a child under the age of 18, that is considered rape whether the sex was consensual or not, because an adult under law cannot under any circumstance have sex with a minor, consensual or not. That is the law, no matter what people believe.

Now, I don't know why the concept of sex has come up since PPK hasn't gone that far, thank God, but people here seem to have difficulty grasping the concept of child marriage. Fans of PPK keep saying the show doesn't have child marriage, but it does.

Did not an 18 year old woman marry a 9-year old boy? Did that or did that not happen?

I understand that the reason why it happened may have been 'innocent', but it did happen. That is something no one can argue against. A marriage did happen between them, and since one of the partners is a child, it's by definition called a child marriage, and thus, the show has child marriage.

This is a fact no one who's seen the show can deny.

Also, from where comes the believe that people who are condemning the show haven't seen it? Why would people criticize something without seeing it? Why would they even care? I've seen the show, and I know many people who have also, and nothing I've seen disproves my view that this show is promoting child marriage. If Ratan had been shown as a victim even once, if he'd been shown angry or confused for being in a marriage so young, or if Diya had been shown unhappy and guilty that she married a child, I might have changed my opinion, but nothing like that has happened.

I know there are many other regressive shows on TV, I'm not saying they're not, but we're discussing this show, and this show certainly has controversial content. No one can deny that. If it was up to me, I would wish for all other regressive shows to be banned too, but it's not that easy, and there are certainly people protesting other shows too, but I feel it's a step in the right direction that a channel has actually taken people's protests seriously. Perhaps from now on, directors and producers will think twice before coming up with a regressive concept again. Shows don't need to be super progressive if people aren't ready for it, but if they're at least not regressive, it would be tolerable.



Not sure if I have the patience to read through this but for the first few lines that I read, this may help -

http://apps.frontline.org/child-marriage-by-the-numbers/?linkId=39613601
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Posted: 8 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: pomegranate

agree to disagree. unlike you, I won;t resort to mocking people to prove my point.



Oh no, I do not mock the people. I mock the messed up mindsets.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: ..Khushi..



Not sure if I have the patience to read through this but for the first few lines that I read, this may help -

http://apps.frontline.org/child-marriage-by-the-numbers/?linkId=39613601


I agree. Child marriage does happen in the US, I never said it doesn't, but it's certainly not legal. Even in the article itself, it says that officials are baffled at the numbers because it concerns them how many kids are being coerced into such marriages without their consent. It also says that from 2000 to 2010, the numbers of minors being married have gone down significantly, so the more stringent punishments are working, and also more minors are learning to stand up for themselves.

Crimes happen all over the world. The same crimes that happen in India, like rape, child prostitution, illegal sex/drug trade, all happen in the US too, as do they in other parts of the world, but that doesn't make them legal.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


I agree. Child marriage does happen in the US, I never said it doesn't, but it's certainly not legal. Even in the article itself, it says that officials are baffled at the numbers because it concerns them how many kids are being coerced into such marriages without their consent. It also says that from 2000 to 2010, the numbers of minors being married have gone down significantly, so the more stringent punishments are working, and also more minors are learning to stand up for themselves.

Crimes happen all over the world. The same crimes that happen in India, like rape, child prostitution, illegal sex/drug trade, all happen in the US too, as do they in other parts of the world, but that doesn't make them legal.



Oh there's another article too, mentioning the states where it's legal. Will share somedday when I feel like making effort to find the article.

And all in all, if people fail to understand the difference between what's fiction and what's real than it's flaw in them.

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