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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: mehraan


Kuch Aisa hi haal tha kal mera...n today it still continues😆...
Im not able to understand what do the hell i want cos everything is sooo rushed.n abrupt..Though i like wat they spoke but i cant fanthom why did they in the first place n what prompted them to open up so easily with forgivness n sort out issues like that

.its like i was craving for my biryani,ate it but wasnt satisfied...😆


Here is an analysis that I liked regarding Sonakshi's actions and thoughts --


This post helped explain quite a lot of things. Hope this helps. 😊
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Posted: 8 years ago
@bashinghater, I agree with what you are saying. I had written that post long ago and at that time a lot of the information available now wasn't available. I just referred to that post only because I remembered it when Dev used the words "saathi" and "sahara". It also reminded me of Dev's words to Tina when he was creating Sonakshi's profile on a marriage site. 😃
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Posted: 8 years ago

April 27, 2017 - Thursday

Watched last night's episode with total disinterest and then was really surprised with Dev's demeanour of taking all the blame on himself for a crime (supposedly) that Ishwari may have committed. That was ridiculous. 😆 He is actually regretting that he spent the 7 years away from Ishwari and for treating her shabbily. 🤣 What more could anyone ask for? I think the custody battle is coming up...The characters of Dev and Sonakshi have undergone a 360 degree change and so I have decided to wait and watch and write my views only after next weeks episodes, as that would help provide more clarity on where the script is headed. 😊

The only consistent character is Vicky and I have started liking him better than Dev. Incl. dress sense.



-Rekha
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Danseuse


April 27, 2017 - Thursday

Watched last night's episode with total disinterest and then was really surprised with Dev's demeanour of taking all the blame on himself for a crime (supposedly) that Ishwari may have committed. That was ridiculous. 😆 He is actually regretting that he spent the 7 years away from Ishwari and for treating her shabbily. 🤣 What more could anyone ask for? I think the custody battle is coming up...The characters of Dev and Sonakshi have undergone a 360 degree change and so I have decided to wait and watch and write my views only after next weeks episodes, as that would help provide more clarity on where the script is headed. 😊

The only consistent character is Vicky and I have started liking him better than Dev. Incl. dress sense.



-Rekha

As a Devakshi fan, I did enjoy the episodes and a glimpse of hope for the future, but I am totally with you @ Bold...

This nonsensical 'ma ka bhakt' crying scene forgetting all Ishwari's wrongs left a bad taste for me too. I don't see any consistent character growth at all. I am now following the show only thanks to:

1) the main leads' powerful performances- Shaheer and Erica are fantastic actors...and

2) reading the updates and all the wonderful character analyses on this thread and other metas (with far more interest than watching the show itself, save Devaskhi scenes).

The whole Khatri track left me unmoved...and I cannot really see any redemption for Ishwari whatsoever. Her past to me doesn't justify the extent of her insecurities and ill treatment of Sona- nor the destruction she caused in her son's life.

I was disappointed.





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Posted: 8 years ago
I'm writing in this wk's thread today only bcoz jst like a depressed dev denying even maa ka favourite besan ka halwa saying " mann nahii ", i too felt the same .." mann nahi dhi ".😛 I cudn read all these discussions but happy to c more n more thoughts n observations pouring in . Great job guys.
The story suddenly seemed nt convincing for me.. fast paced with realisations , acceptance , guilt ride all @ once. I wanted realisations from some one else but alas !

Devakshi reconciled partially... it was neither dramatic nor romantic but a mature one. I understand. Actually jst like others, i too was fed up with their never ending tashans n misunderstandings.. Finally caesefire !!

So ishwari did stealing n now dev taking all blames on himself. For wat so ever reasons, Ishwari's action cudn b justified & it shud come to the lime light too. No matter wat, a crime is always a crime . But i'm surprised bcoz of the partial amnesia of the CVs. In the whole season 1 , dev was talking bout how he was able to read his maa's mind . " maa kuch bolti nahii hai, but mein samach jaata hu ". But after watching yesterday's episode , i was like yeh sab kya ho reha hai ??? Dev is crying buckets as he cudn understand the plight of his mother .. Seriously ?? Dev lost the mind reading ability ? But i wud b more happy if dev showed some sympathy n appreciation for sona's plight as she single handedly managed her pregnancy , delivery & upbringing of soha along with establishment a fruitful career.

I cudn digest sona saying bout the guilt she carried for the last 7 yrs for hiding soha's whereabouts from dev. Y shud sona feel guilty hre? Didn she took soha to dixit mansion wen she was 6 months old ? Ishwari denied entry so y on the whole earth shud sona feel guilty ? Ishwari did all the wrong doings but simply escapes with her 'Meine kya kiya...meine jo kiya, parivar keliye kiya.. sab uss laski ki galti hai... mein bahot batnazeeb hu kyun ki mein ne bina jaane, soha ko sona ke saath wapas bhej diyaa ".

But thru this introspection of dev, i think, realisations will hit ishwari too. Right now, i'm jst enjoying dev, sona n soha moments bcoz i'm sooo happy to c them as a happy family.

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Posted: 8 years ago
@malikakas

But skills in your profession field don't necessarily translate to the same skills in your personal life. Sona is an excellent nutritionist... but the person who needed those skills the most, her brother, didn't get the benefit from that expertise.

From far its looks so easy for Sona to be able to get Saurabh on the right track in regards to his weight... but when you step in that person's shoes you realize its not so simple. Its why as doctors we are advised not to treat ourselves or our family members because we can't be trusted to be objective.

With Dev he wasn't seeing his sisters as employees, he was seeing them as his sisters, where he was primarily tasked with following his mother's plans for their future.

Dev may have been a millionaire but most of what he had would've been invested within the company. I don't think its as simple as dividing up the property. If anything he'd have to issue shares to his family members.. but that comes with its own complications as to whether or not they'd have voting rights which in turn may affect his ability to keep control over the company which could result in loss of investor confidence etc. It was a case where Dev and Ishwari would've had to sit down and make a lot of decisions that they likely hadn't thought of. Its not like they grew up in a business family.. this was all new to them.



@Totally agree with you. Why Dev did not help Neha become self sustained...is a common point raised often but mostly done to prove Dev's indifference towards grooming his illiterate sister into some one who can stand on her feet.When you deal with a family member certainly your mindset won't be that perfect like when you deal with your employees. There will be family pressure also that may hinder the process of making a natural progression. Moreover it depends upon the attitude of the person in question.

Here Neha as shown in the begining just wanted to move on by getting married. She did not object her mother and brother when they proceeded with her marriage plans. Until Ranveer entered her life Neha is not that focussed to learn English well. So I feel Dev just supported whatever she wanted to do. His being a CEO or genius has nothing to do with Neha's empowerment. There is a famous saying in Sanskrit" A herbal plant that exist in our compound can not serve medicinal purpose." It is true. My family doctor used to tell me." Get your daughter a tuition teacher. Just because you are in that profession you can not teach your daughter well. "

I totally agree with you on Dev not investing on shares for the sake of his sisters. It is not that easy to involve family members in your own business. It takes a lot of insight and deep thinking into the matter like you said. It is easy to say difficult to understand his situation. He has built up his business with single minded devotion. May be he could not find sufficient time to think about investing on his sister's name. Yes we also should agree they are not a business family and it takes time for him to gain command over many issues related to business or investments.


Lakshmi



Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
  • @ Bashhater

  • Sonakshi now considers Dev as her friend and is providing him the support a friend gives in hard times. Uptill now, she did not consider Dev as anybody in his life, just a father to her daughter, but after Ishwari's truth, she wants to help him empower him as a friend. Dev also wants her to help him empower himself.Dev always considered her his wife even when she was away which is why he wanted to show his hurt through his hurtful acts. But after Sonakshi's emotional breakdown, he thinks that Sonakshi also considers him as her husband which made her confide in him regarding her mistakes. He believes that Sonakshi is trusting him as a partner but she is only trusting him as a friend.


Thanks for your reply along with another amazing analysis. I just want to say I disagree with your last point. Dev trusted her as he considered her his wife but Sonakshi is trusting him only as a friend. I want to add Sonakshi is pretending to have accepted him only as a friend. She always has this habit to go under her mask and hide her truth.

I feel since the begining of S2 we see Sonakshi the great actress who successfully suppressed the lover and wife under the mask of her annoyance,hatred,ego and intolerance.
But to her dismay she is forced to get rid of her pretence in a few instances like when Dev was beaten by the goondas, when Dev went to capture the snake and also when Dev just recently disappeared after their face off.

Sonakshi would never have helped Dev to tie up his dhoti if she considered him only a friend. Sonakshi would never have bothered when Khatri threatened he will reach Dev,Actually she would never have chosen to live with him under the same roof if she considered him a friend.

I feel she is still not revealing herself with the fear of Iswari and her negativity towards allowing her into Dev's life. She had bitter experiences in the past that made her apprehensive of Dev standing up to her by claiming her to be his life partner forever.

I fear if Sonakshi continues herself as Dev's friend he will certainly blame himself as not worthy to have her in his life. Here Shaavi's prediction has the potential to become true. Dev will move away from Sonakshi to enable her marry Jatin. God! I hate that track if it really happens. I wish it won't happen.

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: bashingHater

Lakshmi

Thank you for the appreciation. I just try to relate the concepts I've studied in subjects like psychology and organizational behavior which deal with human emotions and psyche with the situations portrayed in the show.

One confession, I was one of the people who was angry at Dev's actions after the first break up but after studying these subjects, I viewed his actions differently.

Moving on to the analysis part.

I was MIA yesterday as I was waiting for the realization part to play a little longer. Hence, I waited for today's episode to put across my thoughts. I wanted to see both of them telling about their struggle in these years without each other's support and how difficult it was for them to survive in these dire conditions. Also, I wanted them to convey their complaints in a humane, comprehensible way to each other so that they are able to learn about each other's expectations. But never mind, I am contented with what I saw and so I start my gibberish.

Parallels:

1. Dev blaming Sonakshi for helping his enemy Khatri was reminiscent to the time when Bijoy blamed Ishwari and the gang for Elena's going AWOL. In both the scenes, the observant jumped to conclusions due to their impulsive nature and misconstrued other person's actions.

2. Dev and Sonakshi's showdown was similar to their showdown in Dev's office where she found him in inebriated state. In the office scene, Sonakshi found him in a miserable state and tried to make him understand the situation. Dev understood his shortcomings and exclaimed to Sonakshi "Do my actions hurt you this much."

Similarly, she also found Dev in a miserable state at the farmhouse and wanted to make him understand the situation. He discerned his shortcomings but this time he openly expressed them to her. Not only this, in this situation, Sonakshi also accepted her shortcomings and expressed after realizing the effect of her actions on him.

3. I felt that Dev not opening up to Sonakshi in the car at first and then crying in front of Ishwari's picture and blaming himself is replaying of the scene where Dev is crying after Neha's wedding. After Neha departs, he shuts himself from the outer world and walks restlessly, letting his guilt eat him up. It is when Sonakshi consoles him and lends a crying shoulder, he cries profusely and explains her how guilty he is for not spending time with Neha. She calms him down and tells him how he was not at fault and how was he a great brother.

Similarly, Dev accepts his guilt regarding Suhana after Sonakshi's consolation in the car scene. Whereas in picture crying scene, he openly blames himself for the circumstances and not able to spend time with Ishwari and giving her the space to open up about her problems. Sonakshi calms him down and tells him how is he a good son and a good father and was not at fault in all this.

Deductions:

  • Like I mentioned in my previous post, Dev believes in prevention of repercussions and is ready to take the blame. This trait of his came in front of us when he is shown to take the blame on himself for his mother's theft. He does not want to face the after effects of this secret's revelation i.e; He can not and does not want to (not allowed to) think that his mother can commit robbery which is why he is blaming his actions which forced her to commit the crime (trait of an emotionally abused child).
  • Sonakshi always understood the importance of trust and camaraderie in a relationship which is evident by her talks with Dev after their fight on the issue regarding buying Ranveer a flat. But did not trust him with issues involving Ishwari. She knew that Dev would not support her in front of his mom but could not comprehend the reason for his support against the wrong thing (Neha's divorce, Sonakshi's infertility revelation, Sauruv's loan, Aunty calling incident and Vicky's job fiasco) as she was unaware of the hypnosis effect. Sonakshi could compromise her respect and her rights to some extend but she could not compromise on her morals which is why she could not fathom Dev behaving so irrationally and supporting something which was evidently wrong in front of his mother and acting differently when he was alone. Hence, she believes Dev did not take stand for her even when he knew she was right. So what I was trying to say was that she has now realized that she let her trust get affected by the situations faced in Ishwari Niwas and was unable to understand the guilt he had to face.
  • Dev opens his heart only in front of Sonakshi , Golu (not completely) and Suhana. He did not give this power to anyone else. Hence, he puts his heart on his sleeve only in front of these people. One more thing, why do you think Dev always asked Sonakshi to understand the reasons for his actions. In his subconscious, he is somehow aware of the emotional abuse and the hypnosis effect. Therefore, he wanted Sonakshi to understand the guilt he has to face due to Ishwari's extreme behavior and help him to empower himself and get rid of this guilt. He always considered Sonakshi to be his soul healer and wanted her to provide him the emotional support Ishwari was unable to give, which is why it may seem he was more inclined to Sonakshi as compared to her.
  • I still believe there is more to Ishwari's truth. I wrote this in someone's post: With the way the story is moving forward, the redemption and rule of justice will take place at the end of the series. However, Ishwari's theft is not justified and can not be justified. Although, it validates Karl Marx's theory about social discrimination, it is against the morals of Ishwari which was shown before Sonakshi's entry in Dev's life.
    I still believe there is more to Ishwari's secret since putting Dev in an expensive school means she wanted Dev to get better education so she could quickly enshroud herself from the society and opted to steal. But why did she feel the need to save herself from the society is something I am not able to fathom and does need more revelation.
    Also, Ishwari's redemption requires the extirpation or reduction of her narcissism which is why she needs a person who understands people and knows human psyche which can very well be played by Sonakshi as she has INTP personality with perceiving quotient above 70 percent (her traits show that).
  • Sonakshi now considers Dev as her friend and is providing him the support a friend gives in hard times. Uptill now, she did not consider Dev as anybody in his life, just a father to her daughter, but after Ishwari's truth, she wants to help him empower him as a friend. Dev also wants her to help him empower himself. Dev always considered her his wife even when she was away which is why he wanted to show his hurt through his hurtful acts. But after Sonakshi's emotional breakdown, he thinks that Sonakshi also considers him as her husband which made her confide in him regarding her mistakes. He believes that Sonakshi is trusting him as a partner but she is only trusting him as a friend.
  • Both Dev and Sonakshi wanted their respective partners to be different from their respective parents. Dev wanted Sonakshi to emotionally support him and become his confidant unlike Ishwari whereas Sonakshi expected unpredictability and excitement/thrill from Dev which Bijoy was unable to give her meaning that she led a boring life with a fixed routine. But fate made them separate from each other when they ended up being what their partner did not want them to become i.e; Sonakshi became Ishwari when she did not support him and give him emotional stability whereas Dev became Bijoy and could not provide her the fairy tale romance and burdened her with expectations repeatedly.


Superb 👏...
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Posted: 8 years ago
I like that in this thread we are trying to find out ways to digest what has been shown in the last few episodes. I wanted to highlight a few things..
PACE OF SHOW
Our show has always been at jet speed. There are times (like Dadi bua track) that the story drags, but most of the time they are very fast. Eg. Niel came and went in no time, Dev broke his engagement with Natasha in a day, Dev and Sona agreed to get married in a jiffy and I can go on. So I was not surprised by the sudden change of track. I do believe Sona realised that Dev did give some sort of punishment to Ishwari the last 7 years and realised that he was not as unmoved with all that was happening as she thought it to be. I think that was a big turning point for her. For Dev, it was the finality of seeing Sona emotionally connected to someone other than him that pushed him to the edge.

ISHWARI'S CRIME
I strongly believe this track was brought only to make Dev feel guilty and become attached to Ishwari again. This is very crucial to the story. Let me tell you why. Dev in his current indifferent attitude towards Ishwari may very easily take Sona/Soha's side as needed. We saw this when he just informed Ishwari of his decision to go stay with the Bose household. Ishwari knew that her emotional manipulation will not work. However, that is not the crux of the issue. Dev needs to become attached to Ishwari again for him to see how much he allows his family to suffer because of her. It is only then that he will truly take a stand. Now is the test for Dev. As Ishwari comes back and can use his guilt in her favour, does he now give up his family for his mother who committed the crime for him. He will again be torn between the two and it will be interesting to watch how he learns to balance it this time around.

TRACK LEFT ABRUPTLY
I think the Khatri track was left abruptly for a reason. I do feel RR and her red will get their hands on Ishwari's evidence sooner or later. That is when things will go out of control for Ishwari. She will then see that she has been feeding snakes in her own household who will not bat an eyelid before using the evidence to destroy her and Dev. Dev may stand up for Ishwari but how will Ishwari forgive herself for insulting a girl like Sona who always wished good for her and encouraging RR and her son who only wished to destroy Dev to enjoy his hard earned money.

ISHWARI'S TREATMENT OF SONA
I think it is magnanimous of Sona to forgive Ishwari for whatever she has done because all said and done, Ishwari only instigated things, it was Dev who did not stand by Sona when required. So if Dev can be given another chance, why not Ishwari? I am only talking about this from the story POV. In no way do I feel a difficult life circumstance as Ishwari faced is reason to ill treat your DIL. I am waiting for the CVs to explore that. It is a lesson to be taught to all MILs that it does not matter how much your struggle has been (and as a mother, this is a responsibility that they have voluntarily accepted in life), you cannot ill treat and demean the importance of your son's wife. I really do hope they explore that part of the equation where Ishwari does feel bad for what she has done. She has the ability to be a great human being (ep 1-50 anyone), its that shade that she needs to bring out.

DEV-SONA
I think Dev now believes Sona does want to be with him, but they have only started their new journey. They seem to be in a zone where Ishwari is out of the house and Bijoy is not there around them. I don't think these two characters have changed since the break up. Now Dev and Sona's love will progress on one side but they will not be together until their parents learn to give them the space to truly be a couple.

In all, I have come to terms with the fact that Dev is a person who takes all the guilt on himself (from the looks of it, Soha has inherited this trait) and this is a difficult web to come out of. Ishwari has to let go of her clutches on him and Sona has to accept him for us to have a happily ever after.. which I hope is very far away.. I truly just want Shaheer and Erica to keep acting so we can see their chemistry and acting prowess irrespective of what the story is 😆


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Posted: 8 years ago
Latha, I can totally understand your frustration with Ishwari. One of the most most important aspect of Dev Ishwari relationship where he considered as god was if Dev told her she was his god, she didn't refute it, she accepted it. This is where her act of getting slapped when Dev is seeing comes to play. In that FB she was able to change what was to what she wanted to be. Isn't that what we say god's(bhagyavidhata) do. That they have the power to change what is. Through the years as Ishwari was able to mold Dev into doing her bidding, her belief in her being a kind of god began to strengthen too. That is the reason why she till date has never thought that any of her actions or manipulations was wrong.

When Sonakshi left 7 years ago, Dev stopped worshipping Ishwari. But that didn't mean that she came out of her god complex. She still considered herself as a goddess and was waiting for the day Dev would come back and start worshipping again. What they showed yesterday with Dev coming to know of Ishwari's act and then blaming himself for it was very important. When he confronts Ishwari with the truth of theft, more than anything, Ishwari will no longer be able to avoid the fact that she is not god, but human. Gods don't steal and compromise, but humans do. Gods don't make mistakes and lie, but humans do. She will no longer be able to stay on the pedestal even if Dev feels guilty about her having to do all that she did.

Ishwari will have to contend with the fact that she is human, making mistakes just like anybody else and what she did for her kids is also not something that no one else would do. She will have to accept that she is just a "mother" to Dev and remain that for the rest of her life. Here Dev might start feeling guilty and start giving her importance and love that he feels she deserves. That is going to have multiple effects on Ishwari. On one side she will realize that her son still loves her even when she is not perfect and on the other hand will feel bad that he thinks he is responsible for her suffering.

This acceptance of being human is the first step to being able to reflect and realize her mistakes. She will now be open to assessing her actions as something that is not outside human sphere. What I mean is she will not consider herself above humanity.
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