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Harryfan011

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Posted: 8 years ago

#141

I am posting a link to a fabulous post written by Grace titled, 'Realisations vs Retrospection'... I am sure that many of you must have already read it but in case, someone has not...

Then, please read it... It's really good...

Link to the post: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/141736007

I had already PM'ed Grace to seek her permission and she has accepted my request...

I hope that this is the preferred method to do something like this... If I break any rules, please inform me... I'll keep it in mind for future..

-Suyash.

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thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#142

Originally posted by: LiveLife321
Yesterday's episode gave me peace but at the same time it made me afraid about their future. The reason is, this guy and his guilt comes as a package. Its his weakness which Ishwari very well knows and converted it in to her strength by her emotional blackmailing to hold the control on his emotions as well as his life. S2 gave a hope that he is out of that trap but y'day seeing him again drowning in to guilt really scared me. I really dont have any more strength to see him trembling in pain and shedding those silent tears helplessly when his mother ruthlessly drags him in to that dark & painful past. I really really hope that he wont give back that control to her to play with his emotions again. Hope to see a emotionally strong and balanced Dev before Ishwari & his family.

Latha, when Khatri turned up, my heart sank. Because I was jumping the gun and assumed that the story will show that the woman in Ishwari had to give in so that the mother in her could live. And I would have found Dev damning his mother very out of character.

Theft added a vicious twist to the whole scandal. One that I am actually glad for. Because its very complicated now. Another family's well-being was put on hold for Ishwari's family's well-being. How does one justify that? How will Dev justify it? Because Ishwari is a criminal if she is proven in a court of law. However, Dev still owes it to his mother for committing a crime for the well-being of the family.

This fact can never change. Its in Dev's character sketch... He needs to be able to deal with the burden of his childhood. Like Sonakshi said, he had no control on his father's untimely death. And he was still a child when his mother had to do whatever it takes to make the ends meet. However, he now needs to face those demons and talk to Ishwari about this. This is the start of healing...

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#143

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen

Latha, when Khatri turned up, my heart sank. Because I was jumping the gun and assumed that the story will show that the woman in Ishwari had to give in so that the mother in her could live. And I would have found Dev damning his mother very out of character.

Theft added a vicious twist to the whole scandal. One that I am actually glad for. Because its very complicated now. Another family's well-being was put on hold for Ishwari's family's well-being. How does one justify that? How will Dev justify it? Because Ishwari is a criminal if she is proven in a court of law. However, Dev still owes it to his mother for committing a crime for the well-being of the family.

This fact can never change. Its in Dev's character sketch... He needs to be able to deal with the burden of his childhood. Like Sonakshi said, he had no control on his father's untimely death. And he was still a child when his mother had to do whatever it takes to make the ends meet. However, he now needs to face those demons and talk to Ishwari about this. This is the start of healing...

@bold blue. I am not sure the CVs will show the theft as an active one, meaning that Ishwari purposefully stole from that home knowingly. They might show it as more of a passive theft. What I feel is that Ishwari did not go to that house and steal the stuff. it was actually done by Khatri or someone else. Ishwari might have found the loot when she went to pick up Dev from his late night tutions. She might have thought of returning it in the morning, but found that that family had left town overnight.

The right thing to do here would have been to go to the nearest police station, give the stolen goods and tell the whole truth and ask them to find those people. But my guess is Ishwari did nothing of the sort. She decided to just keep it and use it for herself as they were in dire need.

For a person like Ishwari this would have been a very big deal to go against the morals and values she believed in.

What I have written here is my pov and guess. The story might not go this way and it might be shown that Ishwari did really steal from that house knowingly. 😃

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melliflous

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Posted: 8 years ago

#144

Originally posted by: Shaavi

@bold blue. I am not sure the CVs will show the theft as an active one, meaning that Ishwari purposefully stole from that home knowingly. They might show it as more of a passive theft. What I feel is that Ishwari did not go to that house and steal the stuff. it was actually done by Khatri or someone else. Ishwari might have found the loot when she went to pick up Dev from his late night tutions. She might have thought of returning it in the morning, but found that that family had left town overnight.

The right thing to do here would have been to go to the nearest police station, give the stolen goods and tell the whole truth and ask them to find those people. But my guess is Ishwari did nothing of the sort. She decided to just keep it and use it for herself as they were in dire need.

For a person like Ishwari this would have been a very big deal to go against the morals and values she believed in.

What I have written here is my pov and guess. The story might not go this way and it might be shown that Ishwari did really steal from that house knowingly. 😃

I think your thoughts are spot-on. I believe that writers can do anything to prove ishwari was never wrong. The only thing perhaps she may accept is that she never understood sonakshi.

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Shaavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#145

Originally posted by: melliflous

I think your thoughts are spot-on. I believe that writers can do anything to prove ishwari was never wrong. The only thing perhaps she may accept is that she never understood sonakshi.

@bold pink. Sorry to disagree, but it is not just about showing Ishwari right or wrong. It is more to explore the Absolute vs. Relative Morality. The basic definition of absolute morality is that there is some set of moral rules which are absolute and universal. Relative morality takes the other stance: that morals are not absolute; they depend on the situation.

Both Ishwari and Bijoy believe in absolute morals. Both think that they have given the kind of upbringing to their kids where they uphold these morals and values. But due to her situation, Ishwari had to compromise on the absolute morals and believe in relative morals. This is exactly what Dev does.

Here is an example -- Imagine a situation where you are testifying against a criminal. While your action is considered 'moral', it does cause 'harm' to the criminal. The concept of defining morality, then, becomes uncertain.

For Ishwari and Bijoy to be able to accept Dev and Sonakshi's relationship, both have to be in a same place. Meaning both need to realize and understand the relative morality they exercise in relation to their family.

Ishwari compromised for her family and she is living with the guilt of it and trying to assuage it by doing all the good she can. She is in the same place as Bijoy now. Dev gave money to Saurabh to start the company 7 years ago. Saurabh invested the money. Sonakshi returned most of it, but was not accepted by Dev or Ishwari. Sonakshi returned 4.5 cr, but 50 lakhs was still with the Boses. Here if one goes by absolute morality, what should have happened is that the Bose company should not have happened. But the Boses decide to continue the business idea and continue it. They did use the money they had already invested and the left over funds. When this is questioned, similar to Ishwari, he will have to admit having relative morality and not have absolute morals.

In the beginning of the series, when Dev gets Sonakshi fired, she tells him "I am sure aapki maa aapko values diye honge. Par who values aap sambhal nahi paaye".

For Dev and Sonakshi to have a happy married life, they and their families need to realize that they are no different than each other. Underneath it all, they are the same.

My guess is this is what the makers are trying to show. 😃

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thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#146

And this is why I liked the introduction of theft. Ishwari doesn't endorse it. But she had to do it. Circumstances dictate a lot of our actions.

It's the holier than thou attitude that she shows to anyone other than her children which needs rectifying

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thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#147

Latha, I hear you.

There are however many ways to skin the cat. Ishwari was an illiterate widow. With not much support at hand. We know mami didn't even welcome them in her house back then. She had a tunnel vision. One that she passed on to Dev and to some extent even to Neha. She channelled her limited time, energy and resources on a solution that she deemed fit. That solution incidently also happens to be one that most families in those days used to have. The sons were educated and made the bread winners. The girls were taught housework and married away. That was the next item in Dev's bucket list after they moved to IN on 29th February 2016 if you ask me. Marry off the sisters. Because that was his mother's aim.

There was very little intended malign in the way Ishwari brought up her kids. The lack of emotional growth in dev was not part of Ishwari's plan. It was a side effect of her overall plan.

In my opinion, dev and Ishwari made 2 major mistakes when they reached a stage where they were not hand to mouth.

1. They did not plan for 1st world problems

2. They did not empower neha.

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JShukla

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Posted: 8 years ago

#148

Originally posted by: thedramaqueen
Latha, I hear you.
There are however many ways to skin the cat. Ishwari was an illiterate widow. With not much support at hand. We know mami didn't even welcome them in her house back then. She had a tunnel vision. One that she passed on to Dev and to some extent even to Neha. She channelled her limited time, energy and resources on a solution that she deemed fit. That solution incidently also happens to be one that most families in those days used to have. The sons were educated and made the bread winners. The girls were taught housework and married away. That was the next item in Dev's bucket list after they moved to IN on 29th February 2016 if you ask me. Marry off the sisters. Because that was his mother's aim.

There was very little intended malign in the way Ishwari brought up her kids. The lack of emotional growth in dev was not part of Ishwari's plan. It was a side effect of her overall plan.

In my opinion, dev and Ishwari made 2 major mistakes when they reached a stage where they were not hand to mouth.

1. They did not plan for 1st world problems
2. They did not empower neha.

loved this.

Though DQ lack of planning of first world problems is not the only mistake Ishwari and Dev had.

people who hear bad jibes know the hurt.Dev and Ishwari must have borne the brunt of mamiji's jibes and knew how much they hurt. They(at least Ishwari) had the power to stop Mamiji. she didn't . In fact she enjoyed how that would discomfit Sona.

Dev turned a blind eye. A lot happened behind his back and a lot right in front.

I am not bringing in Neha at all. She just disliked empowered , intelligent woman in Sona, who was good enough without any support.

COnsidering that Dev was educated, had a large work force and I am sure prided himself as a diversity employer, didn't he realise potential of Neha in anything?

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JShukla

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Posted: 8 years ago

#149

Originally posted by: bashingHater

Dev did stop Mamiji many a time when she was insulting Sonakshi as his wife (Bose house stay, Neha issue) and collectively stopped Ishwari, Neha and Mamiji during Ayaan track. He also supported Sonakshi when she astutely takes a dig at Mamiji on the Moo Dikhai ceremony. The only times he did not support her was when the emotional trigger generated by Ishwari's extreme behavior took over his rationality. Equate it to the phenomenon of hypnosis where the hypnotised person knows what he is doing but does not know the reason for his behavior. The trigger that is generated is due to the emotional abuse which blinds his thoughts. He knows he is wrong but does not know the emotional abuse he is facing.

it is too little too less and I did not percieve it as a good enough 'stop' . So according to me it amounts to nothing. Anyhow, I am not up for debate. Just wanted to appreciate DQ's thoughts and how she articulated her post.

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thedramaqueen

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Posted: 8 years ago

#150

@jshukla, I am not sure he saw his sisters in that light. He gave what he was asked. Do you recall when sonakshi asked him what Neha would like for a wedding gift, he told her, he knows what his sisters want not what they wish for.

Neha needs an AC. She gets it

Riya wants to work for him. She gets it

Nikki wants books. She gets them even when Dev is burning in temperature

I think people were just scared of asking neha to do anything. She needed to be acknowledged and that didn't happen enough.

As for Ishwari and her kids. They needed to just absorb and just "be" in the newfound settled life. Where they were not fighting a crisis every waking hour of their life. Do you guys recall that scene where Ishwari and the kids were sat on the dining table and Riya result was discussed. That is the only time 5 of them ever sat and spent time alone. Otherwise either one of them was missing or there was someone else present. Ishwari needed time where she would just serve food to her kids without worrying about it finishing. Dev just needed to spend time with his sisters abd understand their world. Learn the inner workings of bollywood. Etc etc. This family was cheated of their time to heal.