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Is it weird to feel happy that a lot of readers want to "pitofy" Arnav.

Not that I am a violent person by nature but I have this urge to make Khushi get drunk, attach Arnav's photo to a dart board, and throw darts at it.

Get Khushi to re-enact that Jab We Met scene, subject him to a string of curses on the phone and then hang up before he can revert.

Maybe that will help alleviate some of the anti-Arnav feelings I have at this point. I want him to take some sort of action to try and resolve this. He has been passive about this for a long time. I remember him saying that he will drag the people to the pits of hell, who mess with Khushi; including himself.

Let's see if he is responsible enough for his readers as well to enact on his promise 😳

Originally posted by: bakwas_serial

So you are a medical doc. 😍I have quoted you in a comment..because google results are always how you word your question and it is a lot😁

I was not discounting what you felt about how Arnav has dealt with La. In fact all you mentioned above I have said it. Most probably sarcastically😅

I could also not believe how he blurted his divorce thoughts to two strangers.

I think used I the word priority in a comment that his actions puts Khushi in the bottom of his list. He gave more importance to a ONS pregnancy than what the information would do emotionally to be soon to be divorced wife 🙃 Even if he continued with divorce she needed to know from him.

This chapters covers most of it and for once he can perceive how his behavior/actions has not factored in how his wife will perceive it

yes, I very well remember that you and my thoughts were exactly on the same page.

My response is exactly @bold

Originally posted by: kizh72

Meenu, this is P from the riverside! How are you?

Of course I recognize you Priya. We met again here at IF after a while. Again our thoughts are alike dear sister as used to be be in the past. Good to see you here. Hopefully all well at your end.

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

There is a form of sexual violence against men and this is again our lack of knowledge about the subject matter.

I would urge all to look up “made to penetrate”

Arnav being on top while remembering it does not confirm he was on top when the act started. As far as I remember, it was Lavanya who pushed him down on the bed and took charge. The line ended with Arnav did not protest.

Now, did not protest can also be taken into so many different ways. We have had discussions about male body giving in to stimulation. And let’s not fool ourselves by thinking Lavanya did not provide that stimulant to a barely sober man.

Him getting aroused by repeated stimulation under such heavy influence that he can’t even keep a safe distance from a railing is not him being a morally corrupt cheating man. It’s basic biology.

now if in the middle of it, he remembers being on top, doesn’t in any which way confirms that he started it. Especially if we consider how the act begun in the first place. Also especially since his memory is fragmented. Dude has like 2 seconds of memories of the night.

Isha,

I have never denied La started it but also there is NO denial in Arnav's memory that he got actively involved some point later, making it consensual and that's where his guilt came from.

You have interesting observation that makes it worst for me. Lavanya pushed him on the bed and took charge and then later his fleeting memory tells him seeing her under him and he knew the woman under him was NOT his Khushi. So Arnav changed position during the act clearly indicates he had freedom to move / act during the whole situation and NOT that just Lavanya was doing things while he was just lying there.

So La was aggressive first doesn't help him here unfortunately when his memory tells him otherwise. He became actively involved too and who knows may have taken the lead as well, there is no explanation otherwise to he being on top even for a moment. His own fleeting memory kills it.

The writer has NOT used words like black outs, flashbacks, false memory formation etc. but she again reconfirmed that he slept with La and went through the whole act. Also he got up first and remembered things while La was still sleeping. This also crucial for me since she did not spin him for false memory formation by suggesting what happened etc. His conclusion was purely based on his own memory / images as soon as he got up when things were fresh in his mind and his own actions involved in it even before La woke up and talked.

R*a*e is a HUGE word for me that can not be used so casually based on assumptions and ignoring certain facts and without knowledge of law. I don't claim to know perfect like a lawyer but have watched tons of Law & Order here in US to know basic underlying differences for men or women and how laws apply differently and cross questioning by lawyers etc. But with r*a*e, one thing is extremely BLACK and WHITE (or at least that's how L&O always insisted), one of the person (man or woman) who is victim is completely passive or NON-involved during the whole act or there are injuries indicating they opposed the forcible act where as the person taking advantage is the only one actively doing things. Anything otherwise is consensual. Arnav's memory of he getting actively involved, changing positions during act, though he did initiate it makes it consensual for me. Also note there are NO injuries here.

Unless Arpita again twists it and bails him out for Khushi and her love.

-Swati

I guess we can go till end of earth with this debate….but one thing for me is most important that is intent!!!

Did he ignore khushi because he wanted to no!!! He ignored her because he had his own issues. He was stupid to assume things Yes !! But that’s social norms, he hurt her but he was hurting too. Did he intend to cheat khushi no !!! He didn’t even intend to move on and have any relationship in future , his will says it all he had written all his worth to khushi and his family. He intended to let go of khushi because he thought she wasn’t happy with him. Also one of the main things is he is not being arrogant about his mistakes he is really feeling guilty and repenting. He needs help if not khushi I wish someone realised that soon.

khushi is hurt no doubt , anyone with that pure heart and dedication would start questioning their self worth,she didn’t deserve it . He is her culprit. But he didn’t know what to do for a long time , and ended up hurting her. Similarly she also didn’t know what to do after she got the photos and divorce talks , she had also assumed a lot of things also made mistake (I am not yet leaving the pill , to me that played a big deal. First when he didn’t know in solidifying his beliefs that she wanted children more than him and later helped him see the things from her angle). She was also in her anger and mistrust going to commit big mistake. If it wasn’t Shyam, still she would have married someone she wouldn’t be able to commit 100% . She needs to heal. Whether she finds in herself after knowing everything that Arnav has hidden from her to still love him after all his flaws is a question. If I believe the khushi you wrote, with a heart so big she will be a supportive wife and help him to overcome whatever emotional mess he has become. But at the same time I wouldn’t blame her if she doesn’t. But to me this is the biggest test of her character and love . I will wait for her to recover and wish for her to shine and then choose for herself.

He has only vague memories and he is frustrated he cannot remember clearly. We know he said no a few times. A No is a no even if said once and he repeated it several times. He is inebriated and he knows the mixing of drinks caused it. He blames himself because he is a decent human and he holds himself responsible with what little memory he has and he does not want to give excuses for his behavior.

But we knowing that Lavanya drugged him as the last drink was given by her- (we still dont have clarity yet on what she did exactly ) and she doing all this with a motive we cannot say it was consensual and blame Arnav. I respectfully totally disagree with your take on Arnav.

Originally posted by: Arilip

I guess we can go till end of earth with this debate….but one thing for me is most important that is intent!!!

Did he ignore khushi because he wanted to no!!! He ignored her because he had his own issues. He was stupid to assume things Yes !! But that’s social norms, he hurt her but he was hurting too. Did he intend to cheat khushi no !!! He didn’t even intend to move on and have any relationship in future , his will says it all he had written all his worth to khushi and his family. He intended to let go of khushi because he thought she wasn’t happy with him. Also one of the main things is he is not being arrogant about his mistakes he is really feeling guilty and repenting. He needs help if not khushi I wish someone realised that soon.

khushi is hurt no doubt , anyone with that pure heart and dedication would start questioning their self worth,she didn’t deserve it . He is her culprit. But he didn’t know what to do for a long time , and ended up hurting her. Similarly she also didn’t know what to do after she got the photos and divorce talks , she had also assumed a lot of things also made mistake (I am not yet leaving the pill , to me that played a big deal. First when he didn’t know in solidifying his beliefs that she wanted children more than him and later helped him see the things from her angle). She was also in her anger and mistrust going to commit big mistake. If it wasn’t Shyam, still she would have married someone she wouldn’t be able to commit 100% . She needs to heal. Whether she finds in herself after knowing everything that Arnav has hidden from her to still love him after all his flaws is a question. If I believe the khushi you wrote, with a heart so big she will be a supportive wife and help him to overcome whatever emotional mess he has become. But at the same time I wouldn’t blame her if she doesn’t. But to me this is the biggest test of her character and love . I will wait for her to recover and wish for her to shine and then choose for herself.

Honestly I don’t want to go in detail reply as I respect your opinion about Khushi. I have obviously different take on khushi.

she did not agree to marry Shyam due to her anger. She only agreed to meet him first of all, and she refused after meeting him . She was doing that because of her parents and situation in her town and social issues. She had no hopes left from Arnav, because according to her, he has already moved on with someone else.

I am surprised that you can let go off multiple mistakes of Arnav and poor communication even though his intentions was right, but on the other hand, you are so harsh on khushi and expect a lot from her.

Anyway, it just hurts me more being a woman coming from woman like that but again, I don’t want to have a long discussion about this. Please don’t get offended as its nothing personal and at the end of the day we all have our own perspective. My sentiments are purely based on behavior of character in the story.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Isha,

I have never denied La started it but also there is NO denial in Arnav's memory that he got actively involved some point later, making it consensual and that's where his guilt came from.

You have interesting observation that makes it worst for me. Lavanya pushed him on the bed and took charge and then later his fleeting memory tells him seeing her under him and he knew the woman under him was NOT his Khushi. So Arnav changed position during the act clearly indicates he had freedom to move / act during the whole situation and NOT that just Lavanya was doing things while he was just lying there.

So La was aggressive first doesn't help him here unfortunately when his memory tells him otherwise. He became actively involved too and who knows may have taken the lead as well, there is no explanation otherwise to he being on top even for a moment. His own fleeting memory kills it.

The writer has NOT used words like black outs, flashbacks, false memory formation etc. but she again reconfirmed that he slept with La and went through the whole act. Also he got up first and remembered things while La was still sleeping. This also crucial for me since she did not spin him for false memory formation by suggesting what happened etc. His conclusion was purely based on his own memory / images as soon as he got up when things were fresh in his mind and his own actions involved in it even before La woke up and talked.

R*a*e is a HUGE word for me that can not be used so casually based on assumptions and ignoring certain facts and without knowledge of law. I don't claim to know perfect like a lawyer but have watched tons of Law & Order here in US to know basic underlying differences for men or women and how laws apply differently and cross questioning by lawyers etc. But with r*a*e, one thing is extremely BLACK and WHITE (or at least that's how L&O always insisted), one of the person (man or woman) who is victim is completely passive or NON-involved during the whole act or there are injuries indicating they opposed the forcible act where as the person taking advantage is the only one actively doing things. Anything otherwise is consensual. Arnav's memory of he getting actively involved, changing positions during act, though he did initiate it makes it consensual for me. Also note there are NO injuries here.

Unless Arpita again twists it and bails him out for Khushi and her love.

-Swati

That was the whole point of my comment.

This is still sexual violence against a male. Yes he did engage and we have already touched the subject of repeated stimulant and ultimate response of a male body.

His giving in does not mean consent. The whole comment thread is littered with the awareness campaign for ‘consent acquired through fraud’. There’s a reason law refuses to recognise consent given in a drunk/drugged state. Irrespective of gender. This notion is the whole reason this thing doesn’t get taken seriously. My comment literally is about ‘made to penetrate’

Just because he was able to move/act, it does not make the whole thing consensual.

He is able to walk on his two feet as well. But was disoriented enough to walk off a third floor balcony. This is not a person who was able to differentiate between a life threatening situation and a safe distance. Which is our most basic instinct. We are literally born with fear of falling and his survival instincts had gone for a toss. So he is definitely not a person who was in a state to make wise decisions or any decisions for that matter.

Originally posted by: dair10arshi

Is it weird to feel happy that a lot of readers want to "pitofy" Arnav.

Not that I am a violent person by nature but I have this urge to make Khushi get drunk, attach Arnav's photo to a dart board, and throw darts at it.

Get Khushi to re-enact that Jab We Met scene, subject him to a string of curses on the phone and then hang up before he can revert.

Maybe that will help alleviate some of the anti-Arnav feelings I have at this point. I want him to take some sort of action to try and resolve this. He has been passive about this for a long time. I remember him saying that he will drag the people to the pits of hell, who mess with Khushi; including himself.

Let's see if he is responsible enough for his readers as well to enact on his promise 😳

OH MYYYYY GOOODDDDD

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS.

Has this ff made us also think like each other??? Uncanny man.

The number of times i have thought of khushi to just SCREAMMMM those lines, trust me during the initial chapters, i have seen that scene so many times to let go of my angst imagining khushi and arnav in place of geet and angshuman, now i guess with VD i have got aditya too....😉

Tujhe kya lage tu mujhe chor dega toh may tadapti rahungi

Taadpe ga tu kamini, kirre padenge tere upaad

Naraak ke aag may jalegaa....

https://youtu.be/dPcR6HRhZK0

Ufff kaleje ko thandaak!

Our writer's style is not confirm or deny anything until the chapter comes out with the full details. The only thing she has confirmed is that both Arnav and Khushi "believe" it happened, not that it actually happened.

There are so many unknowns until we get the full revelation. Arnav could have been on top for some time but maybe not throughout the whole episode. His memory may be from the initial part. Wasted as he was, he would not have the capacity to pull back his boxers. He would not have even thought about it. He passed out at some point, but when?

Our writer's tagline should be "I can neither confirm nor deny".