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Originally posted by: shyamidutt

He has only vague memories and he is frustrated he cannot remember clearly. We know he said no a few times. A No is a no even if said once and he repeated it several times. He is inebriated and he knows the mixing of drinks caused it. He blames himself because he is a decent human and he holds himself responsible with what little memory he has and he does not want to give excuses for his behavior.

But we knowing that Lavanya drugged him as the last drink was given by her- (we still don't have clarity yet on what she did exactly ) and she doing all this with a motive we cannot say it was consensual and blame Arnav. I respectfully totally disagree with your take on Arnav.

Shyami,

Arnav was forced to tell everyone he discussed this incident with (Akash, Khushi and I am sure lawyers too) that he decided to stay back in a RAVE. No one would mention this unless it is CRITICAL. It is CRITICAL because of the nature of these parties. Raves are parties that specifically do NOT follow or rather rebel against our day time rules / laws to unwind. These parties' motives are s*x with random people or in a group, drugs and alcohol and let loose. When the trend started and quickly became rage back in USA, most things happen in these parties are illegal but there are people who still want it. Police would be onsite because of the nature of these parties.

See Akash's reaction too. How much ever I hate it to say, that's how it works in these parties, they are very secretive and righteous people are expected to stay out of this. So no is a no unfortunately not applicable for people in RAVE and Arnav knew the nature of the party and still chose to stay in it.

I would highly recommend watching Law and Order, it's very informative as to how regular people perceive the incidents happened versus the people involved, how the lawyers pursue to extract information / evidences and law pursues it / looks at the same things under codes of law is amazing.

So far we don't have any confirmation on La drugging him, I am also waiting for the LA chapter though it doesn't change what happened. And Arnav recognized the party being RAVE as soon as he entered and still decided to let loose in such a party where he did not consider host his friend, did not know much people, none of his trust worthy staff or friends were around, huge risk he took recklessly, biggest mistake of his life. And unfortunately he is paying biggest price too. Life is not fair always. Sometimes people do get punished worst and this might be the case.

To me 6 drinks itself is a chaos situation. He just chose to drink excessively and may mixed up drinks / may not have eaten before which enhances alcohol effect.

It doesn't matter what we think, Arnav has accepted there is NO excuse to attend RAVE in the first place, his memories of the incident makes him accept that he became actively involved irrespective of who initiated it and cheated on his wife, write confirmed he slept with La, he did not medical tests in time to prove anything, expect La to be truthful is another blunder unless she is self confessing.

So in real world how this will be handled - Overall summation of the incident is two people chose to be in a RAVE, drunk excessively and got involved together, had s*x, no medical evidences of foul play (no one is watching them so far, no drug tests, alcohol levels etc.), none of them have physical injury to claim forcible act. I let you choose your conclusion.

- Swati

Originally posted by: coderlady

Our writer's style is not confirm or deny anything until the chapter comes out with the full details. The only thing she has confirmed is that both Arnav and Khushi "believe" it happened, not that it actually happened.

There are so many unknowns until we get the full revelation. Arnav could have been on top for some time but maybe not throughout the whole episode. His memory may be from the initial part. Wasted as he was, he would not have the capacity to pull back his boxers. He would not have even thought about it. He passed out at some point, but when?

Our writer's tagline should be "I can neither confirm nor deny".

Arpita confirmed twice after latest chapter that Arnav indeed slept with Lavanya. The s*x between La and Arnav has happened is what she has confirmed multiple times now. I specifically asked that question and see her reply.

I know she will NOT twist this again though there might be twist about La's involvement in spiking or how things happened from her angle etc. but the ONS has happened.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Shyami,

Arnav was forced to tell everyone he discussed this incident with (Akash, Khushi and I am sure lawyers too) that he decided to stay back in a RAVE. No one would mention this unless it is CRITICAL. It is CRITICAL because of the nature of these parties. Raves are parties that specifically do NOT follow or rather rebel against our day time rules / laws to unwind. These parties' motives are s*x with random people or in a group, drugs and alcohol and let loose. When the trend started and quickly became rage back in USA, most things happen in these parties are illegal but there are people who still want it. Police would be onsite because of the nature of these parties.

See Akash's reaction too. How much ever I hate it to say, that's how it works in these parties, they are very secretive and righteous people are expected to stay out of this. So no is a no unfortunately not applicable for people in RAVE and Arnav knew the nature of the party and still chose to stay in it.

I would highly recommend watching Law and Order, it's very informative as to how regular people perceive the incidents happened versus the people involved, how the lawyers pursue to extract information / evidences and law pursues it / looks at the same things under codes of law is amazing.

So far we don't have any confirmation on La drugging him, I am also waiting for the LA chapter though it doesn't change what happened. And Arnav recognized the party being RAVE as soon as he entered and still decided to let loose in such a party where he did not consider host his friend, did not know much people, none of his trust worthy staff or friends were around, huge risk he took recklessly, biggest mistake of his life. And unfortunately he is paying biggest price too. Life is not fair always. Sometimes people do get punished worst and this might be the case.

To me 6 drinks itself is a chaos situation. He just chose to drink excessively and may mixed up drinks / may not have eaten before which enhances alcohol effect.

It doesn't matter what we think, Arnav has accepted there is NO excuse to attend RAVE in the first place, his memories of the incident makes him accept that he became actively involved irrespective of who initiated it and cheated on his wife, write confirmed he slept with La, he did not medical tests in time to prove anything, expect La to be truthful is another blunder unless she is self confessing.

So in real world how this will be handled - Overall summation of the incident is two people chose to be in a RAVE, drunk excessively and got involved together, had s*x, no medical evidences of foul play (no one is watching them so far, no drug tests, alcohol levels etc.), none of them have physical injury to claim forcible act. I let you choose your conclusion.

- Swati

I still believe it’s like saying to a girl since you chose to go to a bar and drink you deserve to be raped. He chose to let loose with a few drinks and after he knew the kind of party he wanted to go before it got out of control. He tried to call his driver and he also intended to leave. Having sex was not something he even thought about having in his wildest dreams (based on the characterization of Arnav so far). So saying just because he decided to stay back it is consensual is a ridiculous argument imo. No offense to your opinion at all.

I feel Lavanya counted on just this. It was a rave party and she wanted to be with him and he was ok with it —- which is totally wrong as she manufactured the whole situation. Like I said we are still waiting for clarity on those scenarios.

I reiterate the last drink was fishy. Being drunk and being drugged are totally different things.

You can argue to death but I will never be convinced. I disagree with your point of view completely. There is no way you can convince me to agree to your pov so let’s just agree to disagree and leave it.

I never confront or argue ever so if this side of me is out it’s totally Arpita’s fault 😊.

Originally posted by: Mrieshka

Of course I recognize you Priya. We met again here at IF after a while. Again our thoughts are alike dear sister as used to be be in the past. Good to see you here. Hopefully all well at your end.

All well Meenu, I miss our rivering days!

Originally posted by: Learrntowrite

That was the whole point of my comment.

This is still sexual violence against a male. Yes he did engage and we have already touched the subject of repeated stimulant and ultimate response of a male body.

His giving in does not mean consent. The whole comment thread is littered with the awareness campaign for ‘consent acquired through fraud’. There’s a reason law refuses to recognize consent given in a drunk/drugged state. Irrespective of gender. This notion is the whole reason this thing doesn’t get taken seriously. My comment literally is about ‘made to penetrate’

Just because he was able to move/act, it does not make the whole thing consensual.

He is able to walk on his two feet as well. But was disoriented enough to walk off a third floor balcony. This is not a person who was able to differentiate between a life threatening situation and a safe distance. Which is our most basic instinct. We are literally born with fear of falling and his survival instincts had gone for a toss. So he is definitely not a person who was in a state to make wise decisions or any decisions for that matter.

Please read my reply to Shyami, this guy has made blunder mistakes after also, last time I called him dumb for these reasons only, you also shot down the actions he should have followed saying a businessman of his caliber should lead normal life and now it's almost impossible to prove or save him...

Any person, I mean any person caught in such situation should immediately do whatever possible is in their own control to save themselves, at least a self test and Arnav failed himself miserably being a multimillionaire or an astute businessman. If he had simply tested himself, we would be talking different language here proving this much level of alcohol or drug does NOT allow a person to behave NORMAL. Straight forward, checkmate in Arnav's world!

Even a murder can be proved based on how much blood loss happened etc., there was this classic case happened in USA where the only blood evidence was there in the room but the body was not found and they managed to resolve it based on scientific proofs.

Science is the most powerful tool that Arnav refused to use. And without science, everything now is based on our biased liking or disliking for Arnav, La's confession and Google searches??? And we are in 21st century???

He has not tested himself after to see the level of alcohol, drugs inside his body which alone would have been sufficient to prove him capable to be involved or not guilty. He has not asked La to test herself to see if her levels were way lower than his which makes her more aware than him. They were in a RAVE party, he decided to let loose and both knew what happens there.

Now suddenly we are talking about the law without any scientific evidences and after time lost to collect those? The law is NOT even on the table here. It's just his fleeting memories and La's casual acceptance that they did it in drunk state.

So now main evidence becomes La's confessions? Because most of you decline to believe his memory.

There is no violence / complete force by La in his first memory after waking up but his active involvement, which is CRITICAL and ONLY evidence for him. (in fact his memory is completely opposite, he said no initially but his body gave in, he was aware enough to recognize he was with different woman than his wife and still he became actively involved, positions switched, then went all the way - This all goes against him to ever claim he was forced, lawyers will declare it a bluff in minutes... Watch Law and Order!)

And can we ever trust La? If she knows this is what he remembers and if she remembers their final position, she will in fact act victim and cry foul? That's what my sarcasm was all about.

Law and Order, a must see how they handle such cases.. very interesting how things look under the codes of laws versus us normal humans...

-Swati

Belated Birrhday Greetings Swati😍 I am sure hubby and kids made you extra special.

I am a fan of old Law & Order ..or say a fan of Sam Waterson...when he was assistant DA. 😍

Nice. Next part jaldi . Now question ❓ is will Arnav find out who sent those photos then what is the mystery behind it . Next part please please please please please please please please please please please please soon. If he knows lavanya is a homebreaker why he did go to the party.

Originally posted by: SwatStar_Arshi

Please read my reply to Shyami, this guy has made blunder mistakes after also, last time I called him dumb for these reasons only, you also shot down the actions he should have followed saying a businessman of his caliber should lead normal life and now it's almost impossible to prove or save him...

Any person, I mean any person caught in such situation should immediately do whatever possible is in their own control to save themselves, at least a self test and Arnav failed himself miserably being a multimillionaire or an astute businessman. If he had simply tested himself, we would be talking different language here proving this much level of alcohol or drug does NOT allow a person to behave NORMAL. Straight forward, checkmate in Arnav's world!

Even a murder can be proved based on how much blood loss happened etc., there was this classic case happened in USA where the only blood evidence was there in the room but the body was not found and they managed to resolve it based on scientific proofs.

Science is the most powerful tool that Arnav refused to use. And without science, everything now is based on our biased liking or disliking for Arnav, La's confession and Google searches??? And we are in 21st century???

He has not tested himself after to see the level of alcohol, drugs inside his body which alone would have been sufficient to provide him guilty or not guilty. He has not asked La to test herself to see if her levels were way lower than his which makes her more aware than him. They were in a RAVE party, he decided to let loose and both knew what happens there.

Now suddenly we are talking about the law without any scientific evidences and after time lost to collect those? The law is NOT even on the table here. It's just his fleeting memories and La's casual acceptance that they did it in drunk state.

So now main evidence becomes La's confessions? Because most of you decline to believe his memory.

There is no violence / complete force by La in his first memory after waking up but his active involvement, which is CRITICAL and ONLY evidence for him. (in fact his memory is completely opposite, he said no initially but his body gave in, he was aware enough to recognize he was with different woman than his wife and still he became actively involved, positions switched, then went all the way - This all goes against him to ever claim he was forced, lawyers will it a bluff in minutes... Watch Law and Order!)

And can we ever trust La? If she knows this is what he remembers and if she remembers their final position, she will in fact act victim and cry foul? That's was my sarcasm was all about.

Law and Order, a must see how they handle such cases.. very interesting how things look under the codes of laws versus us normal humans...

-Swati

Hi Swati,

I’m listening to what you’re saying. Let me articulate better. Because I also think we are digressing with each comment.


Me citing the law, has nothing to do with what Arnav did AFTER the rave party. I’m simply citing that ‘made to penetrate’ and ‘consent acquired under influence’ are accepted as sexual violence against males. I’ve also repeatedly touched the point about external simulation that can lead to an aroused behaviour.

I will again repeat the my comment. He was walking on his own two feet. It wasn’t like he was falling down the stairs. He had enough strength to carry his body weight. And he was still disoriented enough to not pull himself back from literary falling to his death. To assume this is a man who would be able to make a sensible decision after being repeatedly kissed/simulated/violated is our ignorance of the whole topic.


I would also like to reiterate that even in that situation, he had repeatedly said no. And the woman next to him has paid no attention to it.

Now coming to Arnav’s memories.


The very first point I would like to address is that it gives me closure on why he readily believed that he slept with Lavanya and she might be pregnant. It’s because he has FRAGMENTED memories of the act happening.

Your last point, that these things happen in a rave negates your question as to why he didn’t go all alert from the get go. Why would he knowingly involve a whole team going around telling of his adultery? Why would he be alerted that Lavanya might do something when she was cool as a cucumber like it wasn’t a big deal to her? It’s too common there. It’s a big deal to Arnav. According to him ONS wasn’t a big deal to Lavanya and she said so herself.

plus I think the writer wrote it herself. An actress has more to lose. She was the organiser of the party. She was never going to call the police or get all legal on Arnav when it would open the can of worms on her!!

And, we are entirely forgetting his mental state at the moment. The guy holds himself to such high standards that fleeting seconds of awareness is enough for him to declare himself guilty. How would he be feeling after doing this? From his whole demeanour, he is a guy who has lost his self respect in his own eyes when in reality there wasn’t much he could do.

he is already behaving like a typical victim of sexual abuse. I should have left. I should have said no one more time. It’s extremely sad and heartbreaking to see. I will once again say, had it been a woman behaving in such self loathing, this thing wouldn’t even be up for discussion.

plus, his memories of the night are EXTREMELY HAZY. He says so himself. He needs to rack his brain to even get these two moments. And him realising it’s not Khushi doesn’t mean he was suddenly sober. It’s not like he fully got his bearings back, realized it’s Lavanya and continued. He is still drunk/drugged. These are fleeting moment of awareness that something wrong is going on.

It’s extremely tough for me to put myself in that situation. Imagine having no control on your body and your impulses. Then having a momentary awareness that something extremely wrong is going on and not having enough semblance to do ANYTHING about it. It’s suffocating. I’m sorry but anyone who has ever drank to an extent where you feel like your cognitive functions aren’t proper, it’s an extremely scary situation.

I don’t know what everyone who hated Arnav after this is picturing, but I can only feel his paranoia at the moment. It’s an extremely scary situation not being in control of your body. Thinking about it overwhelms me. That’s why I agree to Tashi. In this situation if penetration happened, this is too painful to even think about.


There may as well have been a woman who was engaging in intercourse under influence. In the middle of it realising that something wrong was going on, panic and may still not be able to protest or stop OR EVEN CONTINUE PARTICIPATING under delusion and disorientation. This has been documented. It’s extremely disgusting to think about. Just that there was a man who has been stimulated to the point of responding, we shed all these notions.

those hazy memories have done the most damage.
a) they had him convinced that he drank so much that he lost control. He is not assuming things. He is drawing from experience. This has happened to him once. He is saying I drank too much too quickly. He wasn’t even considering a possibility of drugs. What would he get tested for in the morning. And in case we’re forgetting, he was absolutely dying of guilt to think about anything else when he was already convinced he was at fault.

B) the same memories lead him to fully accept the whole blame on him. Not once did he try to redeem himself in Akash’s or Khushi’s eyes. To him he should have been better. He is being extremely harsh on himself. Selfish, self cantered people don’t do that!


The only thing I am super pissed at him about is his behaviour with Khushi. He was trying to douse fires all around that he seemed were important and did not take into account what it was doing to his wife. Or how the whole year would feel 10 times worse to Khushi when she learns the whole truth.

but for Panchgani night, I am absolutely heartbroken for him. Tashi’s boxer jokes were needed because this is too messed up to think about. That was a gullible and terrifying situation to be in. And now he will pay the price of one time letting loose at a party which he felt was safe to do so in. Also a party fro where he was leaving by 11!!!!. The only statement of yours that I agree with is that he will blame himself for life and most likely pay for it too. All because there was an obsessed b*tch around who doesn’t understand no means no.

Edit - up until 2nd January, Lavanya was an extreme professional in Arnav’s eyes who was also a goody two shoes darling of the film industry.

Edit 2- the term that I mentioned and the term that Akanksha explained are not random Google searches. It’s from US government website. I’m sorry but I would trust that more over a show that takes creative liberties for dramatisation of things.

Originally posted by: Mirchi23

Nice. Next part jaldi . Now question ❓ is will Arnav find out who sent those photos then what is the mystery behind it . Next part please please please please please please please please please please please please soon. If he knows lavanya is a homebreaker why he did go to the party.

Next part when you update dear