Originally posted by: Learrntowrite
this is again cherry picking and stating that what you think was right should be the actual version including author’s without the regards that her research for a mere fanfic may have been different than yours? That maybe the whole is different and is based on factors other than what are seemed correct from a reader’s pov? That her characterisation may have been entirely something else than what you deem as a political correct hero?? I find it extremely odd kind of feedback Swati if I’m being honest with you.
This is judging after critical incident where she was involved with him and mainly due to her casual reaction versus his panic, not in day to day life. This is not even judging, finding facts.
okay first of all. This is soo contradictory to me. You agree here with me. Lavanya is nonchalant about the whole thing. My reasoning is that it’s because it’s common, Arnav doesn’t need to go all hulk. And your reasoning is that Arnav should still go and immediately confess his drunken mistake to a hoard of professionals?? I believe this is the third time I’m writing it. Why would he go around dragging a matter with involving more people when it’s common in Bollywood and he has more than enough resources to take Lavanya to class if she ever thinks on those lines?? Manali example once again??
Why are you focused on La? I clearly said he needs to focus on himself.
Even if Arnav doesn't know anything, La running RAVEs, sleeping casually with even married men should raise a doubt about her morals to anyone and Arnav has first hand experience, not whispers. Especially he was feeling so guilty, he should have done anything and everything to see if he can reduce his guilt. He is the man who runs after closure and everything has to be under his control. It's never about Lavanya, he needed to test himself for his own dignity and guilt. This is contradicting to his behavior, he wanted to talk to Khushi and get closure, doesn't he want closure on such a critical incident in his life and his life long guilt? Unacceptable.
There’s literally a whole paragraph about Arnav NOT judging Bollywood people because they ate unashamed at accepting this lifestyle. He may not indulge in it, but he is far from character shaming and we’ve seen this. This is UNACCEPTABLE to you! that’s the gist of it.
again this whole thing that he should have done something to assuage his guilt is what YOUR version of correctness looks like. He has already declared himself guilty two minutes after waking up. Nothing or no one is going to assuage guilt of someone who holds himself to these standards.
No. This doesn’t go against his character. Against someone who drove himself mad thinking what was the right thing to do here irrespective of how broken he felt. He was absolutely livid at the thought of divorcing Khushi. Crying the day he learnt of her supposed marriage. When he was ready to live with that guilt, what makes you think his own redemption was even anywhere on his mind??
Especially when he is sitting there in Nepal at a remote place, trying to take his mind away from Khushi and still can’t?
I am not asking to judge, reread, clarify facts. He shouldn't have gone on vacation after such a critical mishap which would jeopardize his career.
Again La has nothing to do with his tests. Why not safeguard yourself when you are rich and powerful and can afford it? Why think, La proved she had ulterior motives which he could have got to know in Oct. I replied to you way back on this one; Aman is so private, no one would have known just like how he did it in Jan. Just that Arnav was two months late and himself suffered maximum during that period. Aman has survival skills and intuition or maybe enquired around and acted on it, Arnav did not. Aman was smart, Arnav was not in this situation.
Again, you’re speaking from a POV of someone who knows what happens two months down the line. And forgetting that Aman knows something extra already which Arnav doesn’t. I don’t know what the word ‘astute’ means in your dictionary but it doesn’t mean that he cannot make a mistake. He is still god. He thought he had shielded Khushi away and failed to realize the extent of plotting an obsessed woman did. It has nothing to do with survival skills.
It's the other way round, the report found out about La's past and NOT future after two months. We have a stark difference and we will never agree. You think reactive and I take everything proactive. I do not want anyone to wait for the mishap to happen then take action, I say anticipate and take action. Anyone can have ulterior motives around rich people, just like the photographer or any other person from RAVE party. Why not be safe?
Astute in google dictionary is - having or showing an ability to accurately assess situations or people and turn this to one's advantage. Did Arnav pass the muster, you decide.
He should have at least thought about what if she gets pregnant or blackmails him privately for money etc? She is not as rich as him and so money can be motive. And sympathy will always go to woman and pics showed him kissing her or pushing her to wall and he is married, so she still had advantage if she goes after him privately. She would have easily screwed up his image forever if she was NOT obsessed with him and wanted him for herself.
he should have known Lavanya, who by the way has a palatial bungalow and comes from an old money family, would get pregnant and try to blackmail him for money because he is richer? And Lavanya would happily acquire the tag of a home wrecker at the PEAK of her career? And he should somehow have known about photos??😂😂 They weren’t even existent in the timeline where you’re urging him to think about them. - Despite of her bunglow, rich status, she did show up at his door claiming pregnancy, isn't it???? I get to laugh harder here then. He was in rave party, not in his home and he didn't anticipate pics or someone else watching them, I can ROFL too. First thing they should have checked is who all was still present next day after RAVE or found out about them, any cameras, any photos etc. Even non-Bollywood people know since paparazzies are hunting them down too often to ignore 😂😂, world wide too. Again too reactive and late for my test.
And no, here your version is absolutely and entirely wrong. Lavanya is the one who would be at a more vulnerable position. By the virtue of her profession and gender both. This is the sad reality and history of this country.
Her PR was the best, keeping her saint image despite her dark life and even Arnav was scared of it, you do the math. She had upper hand due to pics showing him in action and he was married. She can claim victim and get away with it.
It didn't even needed to come to this. If Arnav had shared the incident with Aman and would have known about then in Oct. Also he let go off them even after knowing their fraud and Khushi, her family paid for Ma leaking the divorce news. Her father closed shop for days, her mom crying coming after temple, Buaji stooped going to neighbors and her own marriage with Shyam was fast tracked. His powers are USELESS because he didn't use it wisely.
Again he kept a tight lid on the whole divorce fiasco for over two months. It’s Manali’s meddling that leaked the news. We’ve been over this several times. Bit again he should’ve known somehow that 3 months down the line, this is going to happen because of Manali’s stupidity. He did the maximum damage control that even Manali acknowledged. She says it in the clear words that news was kept under wraps for Khushi’s benefit!! By Arnav!!
He had this much sway over media, not to forget his final blow to Manali being raking the limelight completely away from Lavanya as revenge. He is THAT powerful and he should have been afraid? Manali was shitting bricks after his meeting and it’s really unfortunate that she couldn’t stop it despite trying. Good thing because that pissed him off royally.
MaLa doing anything is NOT stupid but revengeful. Now don't tell me Arnav didn't anticipate MaLa will not rejection easily or go down without revenge. You claim Arnav being so called super powerful, how come Arnav couldn't stop leaking of the news? He had to wait for Manali to call her minions and stop, like seriously???? It turns out he was only powerful in taking digs at Manali but not stopping her vile attempts. Had he kept watching them, he would have been able to but he failed.
Which stupid lawyer allows him to meet the other woman, she clings on to him, hugs him and he pats her head and what not, ewe, so cringe and the lawyer is only worried about his texts???
Again the name calling. Please take a moment and realise that this is the lawyer who is following his clients wish. And his clients wish is to be there for the woman whose life he has ruined in his eyes. He is lawyer proofing his client interest. Lavanya jumping into his arms was a jump scare for Arnav too. He wasn’t there for her physical comfort. She clung on. And when she clung too much, Arnav put her down on her Place.
Also, you went researching after reading the whole debacle because jr was most important to you. Author who is just doing justice to what her characters demanded, should have also consulted lawyers from india and USA for a paragraph of a fan fiction!
Which lawyer doesn’t know this? Fictional lawyers. The same way you didn’t know until you went digging on this point specifically. And please do share what the law advices exactly. And how is it an offence in the eyes of the law? How exactly was he cheating on his wife all this while when it’s the other woman who jumped in his arms. Or when a pregnant woman was falling down and her held her shoulders. He should have let her hit the stairs maybe.
Please read what I have written and don't twist it - He is meeting the other woman who he had ONS and yet to INFORM his wife. He shows care and sympathy for other woman behind his wife's back is emotional cheating. He allows her to hug, cling and he himself touches her by patting her head etc. is physical cheating. All this time his wife is suffering due to his ignorance and crying at home alone and has no clue what he is up to.
I have never ever suggested one should not help pregnant woman on street or stairs, this is your thought.
You are contradicting yourself big time here. We are socially being responsible when proving Arnav was r*p*d, a no is a no, but not the same rule apply when one of us claims he cheated in BROAD DAY LIGHT?? It's a huge claim for someone to make and I have never backed off from it and will never. Why not verify instead of pushing it under the rug?? Why this duplicity? Because something I claimed goes against the common biased notion here???
if this is fiction, shouldn't it be OK for everyone if I call names, Arnav is guilty of his own deeds, he r*p*ed or not doesn't matter at all, La being vile is fantastic and we take everything at face value.
The onus is on author and NOT me here, if someone points out a social cause and misinformation which story or author never meant to pass, author needs to clarify it. Arpita did it to some extent, when she replied first time I raised this issue and I am not backing off, you can read her comments by going back.
Google it and you will get it too. I will provide at the end of the story but not now. Author has to do this with her point of view first even though she accepted indirectly.
Arpita - I will send this information to you if you want. But I need your thought process and explanation as an author here first. Then it's your choice to shot down my claim or accept it. You dodging it saying "HE was unfair to Khushi" will NOT work anymore as you can see. And it will help you in the long run as well if you decide to write professionally, so I request you to take this as a positive feedback and clarify.
They took him for a ride not because they were smarter, Arnav acted stupid and was not proactive enough. But Aman saved his day by running background check on La. Arnav has no credit here.
Yes. They took him for a ride because he didn’t automatically assumed the worst of a pregnant woman. Again, Lavanya’s plan was not being successful since Arnav showed no interest in her or the imaginary child , causing her to act more and more desperately. Aman also has some additional info and this is me writing this thing for the 50th time. But sure
That's the problem, he didn't need to assume anything. Again see the difference, you are ok him acting naïve and reactive, I am not. For me, Arnav simply needed her to test from his own trust worthy doctors, that too at least 3 different and not blindly trust one doc she presents. This common practice in the world, when in doubt, get multiple medical tests from different labs and compare and this high profile case. Why does Arnav want to reinvent the wheel and not follow common practices?
Its again the round and round thing where I am reiterating every single thing I’ve already said. Towards the end I just want to highlight that everything you’ve stated in response is the correct course of action according to you. I have also told you I belong to a family which will fall within these circles and I more than agree with authors approach.
Especially since the character arc would have had absolutely NO difference whether he found out in October or in January. He would still choose not to fight back. He will still let Khushi go and that’s even more horrible because back then he would’ve told her about Lavanya and there would be no letter. Khushi would be stuck in a marriage with a random guy because societal pressure. And it won’t have any conductive outcome whatsoever!!
The divorce is already in process but didn't he get her back still when he realized he is most important for her and not the baby? La incident was not his reason for divorce, he clarified to La also many times.
It doesn’t mean that it didn’t have any impact on him. This is the same guy who decided RIGHT AFTER sleeping with Lavanya khushi didn’t deserve to be married to someone like him. Found the letter and realised he had misunderstood the depth of her love. Brought her back NOT because he is sure she can understand but he hopes that if the baby thing was his miscalculation she may just forgive him for Lavanya. (Oh and by the way, when he said not forgivable. It’s in his eyes. He CLEARLY asked Khushi if she will ever be able to forgive him?)
He is also the guy who told Akash I’m gonna tell her everything and then whatever she decides. He is also the guy who still held himself back from going to get Khushi because he thought a better life may be awaiting her unless he heard SMJ and realised Khushi is on complete autopilot and at the mercy of a society that isn’t fair to women.
I think I’ll just have to agree to disagree here Swati. I find it very odd that I am countering things on what if scenarios now. I don’t want to do this. I will try to understand your POV and I am not sure I would be able to. I think the only common ground will ever be that we both recognise Khushi’s pain. Let’s leave it at that.
Arguing on what ifs that the author didn’t even remotely implied is very odd to me and I’m sure it’s not pleasant to you either. i have liked interacting with you and your comments in the initial chapters have been something I have strongly agreed to. I admire your ability to keep forward these points. I will keep my future comments and discussions with you limited to things which have actually happened in the story. This isn’t going anywhere.
We have completely different point of views in real life. Maybe our exposure drives us that way. No novel will ever have everything explicitly does not mean several things implied are not there. And everyone reads between the lines differently which is OK. No author implies everything, the adjectives for the characters do. Khushi being called infertile, Gawar implies things that are not here in black and white, so does Arnav being called brilliant and astute.
We cannot decide author did not imply, she has clarified enough so let her take that stand.
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