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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: avalonhigh1234

DD
As I was re- watching the part where Ram was pouring the mitti into her Aanchal , I felt that instead of saying that he couldn't share her fate, he was ,in fact, acknowledging her wish to go back to her birth mother and thus was freeing her to make her own choice irrespective of his own grief at the separation...it sort of justifies his tears and the poignancy of their convo...doesn't it?


Yes savita,

I have added that part on pg. 12 I ges...

It struck me during the repeat episode...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: avalonhigh1234

DD
As I was re- watching the part where Ram was pouring the mitti into her Aanchal , I felt that instead of saying that he couldn't share her fate, he was ,in fact, acknowledging her wish to go back to her birth mother and thus was freeing her to make her own choice irrespective of his own grief at the separation...it sort of justifies his tears and the poignancy of their convo...doesn't it?


I'll tell you how I reached my analysis savita.. You pointed it accurately it was very poignant...

And I'll admit one thing the cv's have played it very well...

The first time I watched the epi I was dumbstruck. I didn't knew from where to start and what to write.. I began updating scene wise.. As I wrote of "manoraj" shruthi had posted about the soil scene which I read and reached the conclusion of life and fate..

Till then all okay.. After reading and discussing a lot, I was constantly bothered by one thought... The name of the show... Siya ke Ram... Its not Ramayana.. Its siya ke ram.. Whereas I had spoke a lot about the pivot but wasn't convinced. I understood this when I saw the epi and I came to add up here.. The whole scene was not just sita or siya-ram. The scene was about Ram... Especially the soil scene.. And I concluded the same that u have written.. I'll tell u how.

Life= struggle
Fate= wish

Any brainstorm? No?

Life is a larger form of struggle and fate is a larger form of wish.

I spoke about the broader aspect initially. But when I added on pg.12 I shrinked towards the minute details. Their expressions... Ram was teary eyed but contended whereas sita smiled. And that's where the wish angle came into play... Ram will share her struggle but grant her wish...

On a wider plane, he would share her life and give back her fate...

Its a very deep and philosophical side u c... One can conquer life also with strong will and persistence but one cannot conquer fate...

And that's where the soil scene lies.. Ram will endure hardships just like sita.. With a strong will he'll conquer the struggles ( like he said, main aapko haarne nahi dunga) but he won't rather his love wouldn't be able to conquer her wish...

Now coming to this episode, you know I said that cv's were pretty clever with this... They have veiled a very important msg in the face of siya-ram scene... I noticed this the first tym I watched but purposefully dodged the scene in my analysis.. And I saw no body has even mentioned it later...

The real forecast lies in that scene. But again I won't spill the beans as I really want to see how they will deal with it and portray it...

And I actually request all if you notice that scene keep it in mind but don't even utter about it... 😉 😆
Edited by daydreamers - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD I don't know the scene you are referring or I have not observed enough. But I am not going to think about it now. If it has to play out in front of me for any analysis it will surely at the right time.😃
Edited by shruthiravi - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: daydreamers


Hey chick... Hi! Thank you for dropping Here. I guess I have read ur posts on RR forum ( if m not wrong, am pretty forgetful of forum names u c 😆).

But a compliment from a writer like you is just an excuse for me to soar high... 😳. Thank you so much!!!!

Coming to vishwamitra and vashishtha. Ur points are to the mark. That is why I didn't named my post as remorse, guilt or nirvana. I chose penance. The reason being that Vashishtha had freed himself of his pain, suffering and agony by forgiving vishwamitra. But vishwamitra on the other hand is trapped in "atmaglaani". And if the stories or teachings of Vedas and ancient works is considered u'll find a pattern. They say don't kill he evil person, kill the evil that resides in the person. Vashishtha's forgiveness killed vishwarath's ego but guilt trapped his soul. And guilt is the highest form of penance. The time lord thinks that his child is done with his due, he comes to hear his story so that he could help him free of his guilt...


QH or ETR or even here in SKR probably. 😳 Never wrote on RR (or may be once), though I used to follow it occasionally.- Thanks for the compliment- hoping it was me you have read😉.


Yes- I think whatever goodness we find around us is based on forgiveness...it truly liberates one as a person...just that often it is taken as a sign of weakness and cowardice. Not that it should matter to the one who decides to forgive. And Vishwamitr's healing must have begun with this gesture by Vasisht, and it would be complete when he gathers the courage to address it again and put down his remorse in words...though it wouldn't make any difference at all to Vasisht.

Shruti, Thank U for that beautiful example. I am sure you guys must have discussed this before- every time Brahmastra is mentoined, I am reminded of nuclear weapons...and so, how important that the one who wields that power should NEVER use it...for the greater good. And how thought provoking that there are very few personalties who can actually be trusted with these kind of weapons...
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Posted: 9 years ago
No chicksoup Vishwamitra's healing doesn't start with that forgiveness. He feels bad, still vashistha is superior. He wants to be supreme. So he decides to send King Satyavratha who wants to enter heaven with mortal body to heaven as Vashisth says no it. When Indra refuses permission Satyavratha hangs between earth and heaven and being angry with indra vishwamitra uses all this power acquired through tapasya to create a new heaven called Trisanku heaven and installs Satyavrata there.
There is something more to the story before the repentance starts, which I am not sure. Maybe the CVs will show.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD I don't know the scene you are referring or I have not observed enough. But I am not going to think about it now. If it has to play out in front of me for any analysis it will surely at the right time.😃


Pretty much relative to 4 pillars shruthi... Its a dialogue... Which I feel is pretty much related to the journey that starts.. And the time it was said was bang on... I want to see how the journey begins in ayodhya... If its related I shall put it likewise...

Even if not I'll post it... But I don't want to be disappointed u c 😉

So yes let's just wait till the time comes 😃
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: chicksoup


QH or ETR or even here in SKR probably. 😳 Never wrote on RR (or may be once), though I used to follow it occasionally.- Thanks for the compliment- hoping it was me you have read😉.


Yes- I think whatever goodness we find around us is based on forgiveness...it truly liberates one as a person...just that often it is taken as a sign of weakness and cowardice. Not that it should matter to the one who decides to forgive. And Vishwamitr's healing must have begun with this gesture by Vasisht, and it would be complete when he gathers the courage to address it again and put down his remorse in words...though it wouldn't make any difference at all to Vasisht.

Shruti, Thank U for that beautiful example. I am sure you guys must have discussed this before- every time Brahmastra is mentoined, I am reminded of nuclear weapons...and so, how important that the one who wields that power should NEVER use it...for the greater good. And how thought provoking that there are very few personalties who can actually be trusted with these kind of weapons...


Must be ETR... 😆 but yes I have read you... I never compliment blindly u c 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

No chicksoup Vishwamitra's healing doesn't start with that forgiveness. He feels bad, still vashistha is superior. He wants to be supreme. So he decides to send King Satyavratha who wants to enter heaven with mortal body to heaven as Vashisth says no it. When Indra refuses permission Satyavratha hangs between earth and heaven and being angry with indra vishwamitra uses all this power acquired through tapasya to create a new heaven called Trisanku heaven and installs Satyavrata there.

There is something more to the story before the repentance starts, which I am not sure. Maybe the CVs will show.


Exactly... I think the cvs will show it...
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Jahnavi,
I don't know why but I can't stop myself from comparing science with mythology.. Maybe an effect of studying science too much😆 And the newton's third law is the best law to justify almost each and everything which happens in life..So brought it out 😛
As u said science may give indirect proofs of philosophy but if we somehow we relate them then philosophy can be understood in a better way..
And this thing I saw in this forum, in Shruthi di's posts in particular 😊

Wohaaa!! What an explanation , now when are u starting your fan club lol😆 And u know its not easy to earn a fan from me 😉 That's why except for Ashish and another TV actor, I don't have any favs 😆
I have been pondering over this since a long time but finally found an answer which is so satisfying and convincing..
So basically we need to clear our past karma to enjoy the present.. Thank u 😊

About rebirth and all I do believe in it , but then sometimes when it is said that we are suffering due to our wrong doings in our previous life , I feel its just a way to justify our sufferings ..

Loving ur analysis .. Please keep them coming!
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: aditi97

@Jahnavi,
I don't know why but I can't stop myself from comparing science with mythology.. Maybe an effect of studying science too much😆 And the newton's third law is the best law to justify almost each and everything which happens in life..So brought it out 😛
As u said science may give indirect proofs of philosophy but if we somehow we relate them then philosophy can be understood in a better way..
And this thing I saw in this forum, in Shruthi di's posts in particular 😊

Wohaaa!! What an explanation , now when are u starting your fan club lol😆 And u know its not easy to earn a fan from me 😉 That's why except for Ashish and another TV actor, I don't have any favs 😆
I have been pondering over this since a long time but finally found an answer which is so satisfying and convincing..
So basically we need to clear our past karma to enjoy the present.. Thank u 😊

About rebirth and all I do believe in it , but then sometimes when it is said that we are suffering due to our wrong doings in our previous life , I feel its just a way to justify our sufferings ..

Loving ur analysis .. Please keep them coming!


Aditi trust me science and mythology are related... Its just how u c them... And yes even am a science student 😆 I understand ur feelings. In fact I always wanted to post analysis on SKR from the beginning. But as you know mythology is a dangerous territory on blogs and forums 😆. So I held back till I came across shruthi's thread and one fine day I was so overwhelmed that I posted a series of symbolisms on her thread and she suggested me to open a thread... 😆

As I mostly post from phone. Yday was same. I was going to put newton's laws but IF ditches me many times and I have to type again and again 😆 😡. Thats the sole reason I didn't put it. I thot let's leave that to others 😆 sab kuch likhne me bhi maza nahi h na... Kuch rakhte h side me.. Even about previous episode I haven't pointed a crucial dialogue and it didn't mention it.. Wanna c if it is taken anywhere. And I secretly wish no one points it ( see the secret is out 😉😆)

And relating to philosophy and logic. I have seen many ppl proclaiming that they don't believe in philosophy.. I find it amusing... Human mind is the most complex machine which doesn't only reside on logic but needs philosophy to give a moral support... Psychology not only sees logic. If u ever go to a psychiatrist or counsellor they'll always hear you out... They hear your story... They see what affected you so much... What incident invoke which feeling in you... So its all related... In a shell emotional+practical surfaces what is philosophical...

Cmn to the fan club, tu bol kab shuru karu? 😆

Am honored that you are my fan 😳 I can relate to you as I rarely admire things or posts or people superficially. If I find depth and meaning you shall find an admirer in me 😆

Aur dusra actor kon? 😛 barun? 😆

Cmn to karma theory, mast tha na story...😳 actually I never gave much importance to whole thing till my mumma told me about it...

One should do good deed with choice not for fear of facing a troublesome life or next birth... 😉

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