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Posted: 9 years ago
Lovely thread, Day dreamer and Shruti- 👏
Love the way both of U connect the incidents depicted in another age to our own. This is what 'timeless' is.👏

I found Vishwamitr's story quite engaging. So he has been burning in the Fire of Repentance, ever since..since what I am not sure, since I don't know what was the next event that led to his repentance. How expertly Guru Vasisht controlled his anger, and how unending is Vishwamitr's agony. It makes it look like the sage is wandering about for a moksha...a release from this pain. And Ram guides him to the next step towards that- seeking forgiveness with a truly repented heart.

I wondered about Brahmarishi Vasisht. He seems to have truly moved on. Vishwamitr has not sought his forgiveness in words, yet he seems to have sensed it in his actions. Had that been enough for him to forgive him? I guess that is what makes him truly great.
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Posted: 9 years ago
@chicksoup if you look the way Vashisth controlled anger was remarkable when he knew what is the impact on larger society by his actions.
His forgiveness was for the sake of larger interest and it was not weakness. That is what true greatness is. To hold the power of destruction, yet keep the interest of larger humanity and nature before any action. Never to use the power for personal gain.
If you see there is a scene in MB where we see the same principle. Aswathama sends the brahmastra directing towards Uttara's womb, Arjun uses the Brahmastra to defend it. Krishna asks Arjuna to call back the Brahmastra for the sake of the world. Even while knowing Aswathama cannot call back the astra, even while knowing his grandchild and its mother may be dead Arjun withdraws Brahmastra trusting Krishna.
And we know the rest. Krishna gives life to Uttara's child and Aswathama is cursed for life. In that lies the greatness of Arjuna. His unwavering trust on Krishna.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: chicksoup

Lovely thread, Day dreamer and Shruti- 👏

Love the way both of U connect the incidents depicted in another age to our own. This is what 'timeless' is.👏

I found Vishwamitr's story quite engaging. So he has been burning in the Fire of Repentance, ever since..since what I am not sure, since I don't know what was the next event that led to his repentance. How expertly Guru Vasisht controlled his anger, and how unending is Vishwamitr's agony. It makes it look like the sage is wandering about for a moksha...a release from this pain. And Ram guides him to the next step towards that- seeking forgiveness with a truly repented heart.

I wondered about Brahmarishi Vasisht. He seems to have truly moved on. Vishwamitr has not sought his forgiveness in words, yet he seems to have sensed it in his actions. Had that been enough for him to forgive him? I guess that is what makes him truly great.


Hey chick... Hi! Thank you for dropping Here. I guess I have read ur posts on RR forum ( if m not wrong, am pretty forgetful of forum names u c 😆).

But a compliment from a writer like you is just an excuse for me to soar high... 😳. Thank you so much!!!!

Coming to vishwamitra and vashishtha. Ur points are to the mark. That is why I didn't named my post as remorse, guilt or nirvana. I chose penance. The reason being that Vashishtha had freed himself of his pain, suffering and agony by forgiving vishwamitra. But vishwamitra on the other hand is trapped in "atmaglaani". And if the stories or teachings of Vedas and ancient works is considered u'll find a pattern. They say don't kill he evil person, kill the evil that resides in the person. Vashishtha's forgiveness killed vishwarath's ego but guilt trapped his soul. And guilt is the highest form of penance. The time lord thinks that his child is done with his due, he comes to hear his story so that he could help him free of his guilt...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@DD a wonderful post and what an insight you have provided. About actions and impact I have made a seperate post as post of the day. I will just want to put one incident in my life with this wish theory, which I have never done after that. To wish even slightly bad for someone.


When my tenth result had come I didnt had the expected marks and believe me it was for English Second paper I had scored lowest. You know my writing style and to score low in a paper which had essays, character analysis and poetry analysis, the paper which was my strength throughout was a blow to me. Quite lot of us near my roll number scored less and if you look the pattern I had scored better. But it was really agonizing for me to see people who cant write sentence half as good as me had excellent marks and this paper made me the class topper to class 4th.

My friend was class topper and generally after every exam she used to cry telling not done well. I used to console her. And seeing her marks and combined with agony I had kept on telling you cheated me, you lied to me in mind. Gussa tha. But 2 years later when entrance results came I made it, she didnt , she didnt even clear the repeat and I felt immensely sad. Arey I never wanted this for her. But was it because of my constant chanting in mind that she cheated me, she lied to me this happened. I never knew the answer for that, but post that incident I have been very careful for what I think for others in my mind, even people who have hurt me directly.


Shruthi ye wish theory goosebumps deti h yaar. My mumma would always tell me speak positive,think positive. I never understood this. But I got this lesson in the past 2 yrs. I'll take your time, this shall be long but can't help posting it. I wanted to do this yday but my heart was so full that couldn't make out right or wrong.

As I mentioned in my post about my dadi. May her soul rest in peace. But she had this peculiar habit, if things didn't work out her way or if anyone had hurt her, she would always say "the person will rot". I would ignore it. But in her last days,those 4 months gave me shivers and my mom told me then see I always say think good for everyone.

I wish I had learnt this earlier. During my third year of engg, I would always express my curiosity of how ppl failed? How did they lose year after year? It was a naive question. But I repeated it so many times that it started becoming a mockery. I never wished anyone this fate, but my simple mention backfired and I myself lost one year though I wasnt bad with my studies. Ppl were shocked, I wasn't. I made peace with it that this was my penance for repeating a negative thing.

One more incident that has happened recently... As 2015 started and I was to resume clg, during july-aug I fell severely ill. My HB had dropped to 8.7. I couldn't attend clg for almost a month or so. That was the time, one semester got over and now its my last semester. In December 2015 we had a get together on a friend's birthday, chatting with them, my health was the topic. One of my friends jokingly said, that the clg staff knows you won't be there for a month or so. We laughed. It was a mere piece of joke. But what happened later is I would never have thought. I lost my dadi on Jan 2. I missed clg for 15 days. Later ppl had some entrance exam so we took a common off for 15 days. Till now all fine. But hell broke loose as my friends joke came true. I was down with a severe rare eye infection. And am now home from the past 15 days. And trust me it's more than a month that I haven't seen clg. I had an interview on 13th and 14th for MBA admissions in symbiosis. I couldn't attend because of my eyes. I still don't crib for losing an important opportunity like this. I have one more entrance lined up but I told my family that I won't be applying for it. And thankfully my family is pretty good in supporting. They are absolutely okay with it. The plus is not the independence of achieving, the plus is about independent thinking. Months ago I told I'll apply, they said okay. Today I get up and say no, they say okay. I ges that's the reason I love janaka and sita's bond... That's why I love "mithila's" portrayal.

Its not that my friend wished ill of me. But his joke became real.

That's why I say it's not just a wish... What you think, speak, do is important too. You never know how a joke can backfire...

I guess these 2 yrs have made me stronger, more than I can ever think of.I don't have a habit to cry on small things or big things.

Today I look back and say what did the 4/5 yrs of engg gave me? I have substantially lost interest in that field. What I really got was 'writing'. I write because I went into engg, I rejoiced, I suffered, I learnt. These years actually opened up a new door for me in terms of self expression. Otherwise I always was a timid and an introvert kid. I took up anchoring, hosting, writing, modelling and what not.

In a nutshell, even if you face adversities take them positively.

That is what SKR is showing...
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Posted: 9 years ago
Hi Jahnavi
I have become a huge fan of your posts, just like I am a fan of Shruthi di's posts..
The way u have brought out the symbolisms in each and every scene and dialogue of SKR has really helped me to understand the show in a much better way...
My daily routine is to watch the epi then come to this forum , read yours and Shruthi di's posts and then rewatch the episode.. And this helps me to get a better understanding of what the CVS are trying to show us...
I am a bit busy nowadays so will not be able to comment regularly but I will surely read your posts..

Now coming to the Penace , I feel anything and every thing which occurs is due to the theory of cause and effect.. If one has created a good cause the effect will be good , if the cause u created is negative the impact consequently will be negative..
VM created a wrong karma by killing the sons of Vashisht and consequently had to go through the penace of Atmaglani as u said.. Vishishta on the other hand created a good karma by forgiving VM and the effect occurred, not on him but on VM , the transformation of his heart and the repentance he went through... Guru Vashishth and his sons got the justice by his repentance, by his penace ..

The effect is the only way to get out of the cycle of positive and negative karma , the only way to get moksh and this effect of the cause of our karma is imparted by God ...

Just one question, if someone is suffering a lot in his life without any mistake of his , we often say its the effect of their wrong deeds in their past life.. But is it true? Is it not that in each life we get the good and the bad for what we have done??
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Posted: 9 years ago
@DD I am very happy at 22 years you got this wisdom. Because that wisdom will help us to see every situation in a positive light. And I would say 20's are the right time to get those wisdom, because you are going to spread your wings. And if you have the right wisdom you will reach greater heights. I had taken certain actions, without understanding the logic at your age. Because as you said no one understood me or my decisions. Even I didn't. But a situation came in my life where I had to make a choice. Choice for which I needed guidance, a kind of choice which I couldn't go with majority view, but needed absolute surety I am taking the right decision or not. And I turned to the only person whom I could trust completely to help me out in the situation. Lord Krishna. I still remember standing in front of Lord Krishna's photo and crying, asking him to show me the way, as I am tired fighting and I can t fight anymore. That was 2012.
And yes he showed me the way. Incidentally my journey in IF also started in 2012 analyzing a show DABH. As I wrote problems popped up in front of me and I went on correcting. And in 2013 when SP MB started and Krishna started talking I felt it was as if he was answering me. My prayer. As the larger connections evolved slowly but surely. Today 2016 I write, I draw parallels it is because of the knowledge my journey had taught me. The mistakes I had corrected. And yes he absolutely proved to me my choice was right and liberating. And when I watch SKR it feels as if a journey is reaching the culmination.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: aditi97

Hi Jahnavi
I have become a huge fan of your posts, just like I am a fan of Shruthi di's posts..
The way u have brought out the symbolisms in each and every scene and dialogue of SKR has really helped me to understand the show in a much better way...
My daily routine is to watch the epi then come to this forum , read yours and Shruthi di's posts and then rewatch the episode.. And this helps me to get a better understanding of what the CVS are trying to show us...
I am a bit busy nowadays so will not be able to comment regularly but I will surely read your posts..

Now coming to the Penace , I feel anything and every thing which occurs is due to the theory of cause and effect.. If one has created a good cause the effect will be good , if the cause u created is negative the impact consequently will be negative..
VM created a wrong karma by killing the sons of Vashisht and consequently had to go through the penace of Atmaglani as u said.. Vishishta on the other hand created a good karma by forgiving VM and the effect occurred, not on him but on VM , the transformation of his heart and the repentance he went through... Guru Vashishth and his sons got the justice by his repentance, by his penace ..

The effect is the only way to get out of the cycle of positive and negative karma , the only way to get moksh and this effect of the cause of our karma is imparted by God ...

Just one question, if someone is suffering a lot in his life without any mistake of his , we often say its the effect of their wrong deeds in their past life.. But is it true? Is it not that in each life we get the good and the bad for what we have done??


Aditi first and foremost welcome to the discussion...

And thank you so much... 😳 if my experience and interpretation gives a new dimension to the way you watch the show, then am floored ☺️ 😆. But yes ssly it is overwhelming when ppl find the work good... 😊

Cmn to cause and effect 👏. Thank you for bringing in this point.. I missed it 😛.

After all, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

And as the earth is round, what you give comes back to u 😉

Cmn to your question on karma... C when there's philosophy attached to any of questions, its difficult to answer.. You may believe practical side or philosophical side. And wen u try to merge two things, you can't give a clear picture to other person. And that's the real problem with me.

Still I'll tell u one story, which my mother tells me.. Its in some book. I don't know which. But she reads it while praying.. And interestingly if you come across the books that we read during prayers, they have messages enveloped in stories.. So I'll tell u this story...

Long tym ago, there was a farmer in a village. He would harvest and store his share of food grains in a big drum ( not the drumming wala,😆 its a huge storing wala vessel). What this man had done with it is quite interseting. As the drum was huge and heavy, it was pretty difficult to take out the grains from the top. He had drilled a hole at the bottom side part of drum. So whenever he would need it, he would open the plug and take the grain out...

So this was the story. Rings a bell?
Nahi? Ab interpretation suno...

The grains at the bottom which he took was the ones that were stored "first". So technically they are the old ones. He would begin with them... And then slowly the top ones would come down and were used...

Now relate this...

The grains at the bottom were stored first. They were the old ones. They indicate your past karma meaning first karma or old karma. They were taken out first, meaning till you are free of your past karma you cannot enjoy the fruits of what you do today. The previous karma can be good or bad. Even if u do good, but your previous karma was bad, u have to pay.

The new just harvested grains are at the top. You can relish them only when you are free of the old ones. Meanining till you don't settle your accounts for previous karmas you cannot enjoy the fruits of your present deeds...

Now you may ask why did he used the old grains? Why from bottom and not top? If you note, once you store grains they can be attacked by pests and rodents.. In short they will be spoiled before they are of any use to you. Even if you take them at the end and cook, it would leave a bad taste and u may suffer more...

So metaphorically they want to say, that settle your accounts with your previous deeds or else they shall haunt you forever...

As with the grains, if you don't use the first stored first, they'll infect the new grains also...

So this was the interpretation.. I hope your doubt is cleared..

Cmn to the concept of rebirth and previous birth...

Its a matter of belief. It's up to you what to believe...

The important part is theory of karma. And as you say, what if u don't have a valid reason for the suffering? Then I suggest do have faith in the concept of rebirth... 😉

Philosophy can be related with things, science... Meaning, u can have indirect proofs but no direct proof..

So believe as per ur state of mind... 😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
DD
As I was re- watching the part where Ram was pouring the mitti into her Aanchal , I felt that instead of saying that he couldn't share her fate, he was ,in fact, acknowledging her wish to go back to her birth mother and thus was freeing her to make her own choice irrespective of his own grief at the separation...it sort of justifies his tears and the poignancy of their convo...doesn't it?
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Posted: 9 years ago
@aditi do you realize you have just stated Newton's third law of motion, the 3 laws on which the entire dynamics of physical science rests.
Now DD has told you about karma. But before coming to 3rd law of motion, there are first 2 laws. Yes 3rd is easy to understand, but 1st and second will help you to cleanse out of bad karma
1st law- Every object continues to be in a state of uniform motion unless acted upon by an external force. Physical science treats this as inertia.
Now coming from a spiritual view point what is inertia - Refusal to face change. You just love to do routine things. It is to wake you up from inertia and do something fruitful the suffering happen. If you act positively to first suffering understanding the cause of it, you will come out of it easily. But if you don't heed and continues to be in inertia, next blow comes. So nature hits you with blows to bring you out of inertia. If you are getting harder blows understand you still have inertia for change. Change the way you think, change the way you act. Unless you do that suffering wont stop. Because nature doesn't like inertia. How can it like. You are static only because of theory of relativity or the point of reference you use at that point. Otherwise we are all standing on top of a planet that moves every second and changes direction every 12 hrs as it follows an elliptical path. Then how you who is living in this planet can only move straight and not change.
2nd law- The vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration vector a of the object: F = ma.
Force= mass*acceleration. Again it stands with my explanation. The greater is your inertia, the force needed to create the required momentum in the expected direction is more. Hence the rate of suffering increases. Suffering is the force that is trying to shake you out of your slumber and smell the coffee. Not to lament , cry and go into depression. It's a time to ask why it is happening, what can I do to correct it. This simple question will open the path of correction.
Now the last law every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Understand that even not doing anything is a choice and is an action. So if you sit and lament more suffering will come. If you don't analyze the problem correctly issue will aggravate. You can run from pillar to post , temple to temple, astrologer to astrologer for solving your problems. But no God or gem can help you, unless you come out of your inertia and take affirmative action.
I am not sure of past live karma. But what I know is that, suffering is an indication to take positive affirmative action or change course for a better outcome.
That's what a rational mind in me has been able to connect with respect to Newton's law of motion
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Posted: 9 years ago
Yes Savitha I also agree to you. It kind of gels with my theory of line drawn by Janaka and Ram trying to draw the line with the tilling instrument.
Her role is till the line is drawn. She emerged from bhumi when the line was drawn and she will go back to Bhoomi when the line is drawn once again. And Ram allows that freewill

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