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Posted: 12 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

Copy pasting my reply on Reema's post.. sorry for the long essay..

Thank you Reema for talking about the essence of the scene and its impact on their love story rather than the blame game.. who was wrong ? who was right? I for one, am very happy with the whole treatment of the love making scene.. Why? Because it focused more on what led to it and its repercussions rather than the act itself.. This actually goes to show that the scene was put not to garner TRP's but to achieve something important as far as the storyline is concerned.. It added very key elements to the story and has placed the plot in a very interesting point, from where it could go anywhere.. A lot will be put to test , the characters individually and their ways of dealing with it... all the promises made to each other and their respective parents about trust being the basis of relationships, about supporting each other at all times.. self introspection, their individual take on love and relationships. will be under self scrutiny... '' Mardo ko moh ka shraap hota hai aur aurton ko maryada ka vardaan '' the different perspectives of a man and woman..will they understand each other's view point... ?? we'l see in the coming days..

Now coming to the scene itself..., Kumud putting the garland on him in my opinion, triggered the whole scene.. Saras was just expecting an affirmation but exchanging garlands on the auspicious night of full moon, took the whole thing on another level... Her washing his foot with her hands and wiping it with her dupatta was the next trigger.. i didn't feel it regressive at all.. if he can take her injured foot on his lap and tend to it as if he was caressing a flower, why is it regressive if she does it for him..? It is the willingness of a highly self esteemed woman to serve her man out of love that comes across through this scene for me..she made Saras feel that he has a special place in her heart..Loved his expression.. he was too overwhelmed to even stop her.. Wife touching her husband's feet is not regressive for me.. its just a gesture of respect from the woman's side for her man and if it gets reciprocated by the kind of love Saras has for Kumud, why should it be regressive.. I find it very beautiful.. I thought that scene was very SLB.. The effect that gesture had on Saras was like a point of no return... He viewed her in a completely different light from there on... His intentions very pure and very clear... he wanted to savour her, feel the emotion of loving and being loved.. '' her ehsaas, her jazbaat ko mehsoos karna chahta hoon'' he wanted to make love to her...he took her permission for that..When he was caressing her arms, it felt like his body was aching to make love to her... How could she resist those gentle caresses and those longing eyes.. she gave in...

Her remorse next day, all that crying and bitterness towards Saras was NOT an act of accussing Saras.. AT ALLL !!!! It was only and only the guilt of not being able to hold herself back and having that so important self -restraint that is instilled in her value system.. Kumud is progressive, bold, educated, modern and everything but the righteous girl brought up in a house where maan maryada is an asset that you are expected to protect at all times, is bound to judge her own actions.. Her father proudly says that they have drawn a line that they know she is never gonna cross.. wouldn't those words ring in her ears? She herself takes pride in saying that her father may not have earned a lot of money, but he has earned a lot of respect in life.. Wouldn't she fear that her act can jeopardize his respect in the society , if god forbid anyone comes to know of it..? More than anything else, she blames herself for not having the self control ..for turning the boon of ''maryada'' into a curse.. She doesn't blame Saras.. In her mind, men giving in to desire is permissible... but women doing the same is not permissible... Saras coming near her is agonizing her more because it reminds her of her own folly... She trusts him and his love immensely.. Its her own self that she doesn't trust... especially around him.. I feel bad for Saras.. he was in no two minds.. For him, the act of making love to her was as sacred as offering prayer in a temple.. he can never associate the word ''paap'' with it... I hope he tries to look at things from her point of view.. only he can at the moment.. she is too drowned in self remorse to see anything straight or even cherish the most beautiful moment of her life..



Very beautiful Vaishali, I loved the episode for the dilemma it portrayed

The act which on this side of the marriage is sinful and the purest expression of love on the other side

An act which as right as the doers want it to be !

And your explanation, as always, dives deep into it

You and I often have different opinions, but today, we are so completely in agreement! 😊

And loved your post, a complex issue like this needs in depth analysis
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Posted: 12 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: hotdogg

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...By my theory above, I can understand the remorse and a bitterness too (since saras was driving the whole thing)...but where was the joy of the moment?...


Trying to get my head around yesterday, still... As usual, the posts on here are helping me, but hgg-bhai, what was Kumud doing wandering about with that garland? She produced it and garlanded Saras first, if I am not mistaken... Did she leave the haveli carrying the garland?

I could go along with all this girl-brought-up-in-village logic if the character of Kumud had not been portrayed the way she has been right up until now. She has been shown to be smart, mature, independent, high emotional-IQ, comfortable in her own skin, secure...Her consenting to something so significant and then indulging in high-voltage dramatics goes against the character that has been built up over these weeks and months.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Arshi, I'm still wondering how you do it... you analyse the characters so well, the story so well, that I always manage to see a new perspective 😳

Today was such a birthday treat for me! Today had the classic Saraswatichandra feel to it that I recall from February and March... the blissfulness, the sense of togetherness, and of course the aching distance. Plus we had no Guman! What a treat! 😆 😳 😃
I especially loved the beginning. Even though this new VC still somewhat despairs me (even though he's a brilliant actor.. if Yatin wasn't VC before, I would have instantly taken a liking to this guy just as I did to Yatin! 😃) The togetherness, and the firm hold on each other that Guniyal and VC had as they watched Sejal walk to the manndap really highlighted their parenting. Indeed, they have worked hand in hand throughout all stages of life... I sincerely hope this is foreshadowing for Saras and Kumud... even though there's a large chance they won't be together, hand-in-hand, I know that their hearts will always be intertwined and beating as one... just like Guniyal and VC's hands were intertwined as one solid foundation! 😳

I won't even get into the factory scene... I was fangirling and blushing the whole time. It didn't live up to the media hype, but it was so magical on its own... My eyes were fixed onto Kumud and especially, Saras' eyes... their facial expressions. Hats off once again to Gautam Rode and Jennifer Singh Grover! 😳

Of course, those intertwined hands are why Kumud was so upset for the second half of the episode. Her forgotten maryada is why she is in such despair... I will be hoping, perhaps against the odds, nonetheless, that SaMud's final broken wall isn't the reason why Kumud gets married off to someone else...

Saras' concern for Kumud the day after really proved to me the extent of their relationship. The caring between the duo is infinite. And even though Kumud was sorrowed, her care for Saras still shone through from her head shake when he asked whether or not she trusts his love. 👏

But I would like to agree with you Arshi, and say that, YES, I have immense, immense respect for Saras for stepping up to the plate and taking in Kumud's feelings and circumstances seriously. The fact that he is taking equal blame shows his true character. 😳

Absolutely lovely post, and what a rollercoaster ride that was today's episode! Yaay! 😃 😳
(I've used about three boxes of tissue so far, ever since the show started... Just an update from thsi phanki right here... I'm seriously considering creating a support group for us SaMud fans now... I definitely might need one soon! 😉 😆 )
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Posted: 12 years ago
#74

Originally posted by: veera25

Arshi, I'm still wondering how you do it... you analyse the characters so well, the story so well, that I always manage to see a new perspective 😳


Today was such a birthday treat for me! Today had the classic Saraswatichandra feel to it that I recall from February and March... the blissfulness, the sense of togetherness, and of course the aching distance. Plus we had no Guman! What a treat! 😆 😳 😃
I especially loved the beginning. Even though this new VC still somewhat despairs me (even though he's a brilliant actor.. if Yatin wasn't VC before, I would have instantly taken a liking to this guy just as I did to Yatin! 😃) The togetherness, and the firm hold on each other that Guniyal and VC had as they watched Sejal walk to the manndap really highlighted their parenting. Indeed, they have worked hand in hand throughout all stages of life... I sincerely hope this is foreshadowing for Saras and Kumud... even though there's a large chance they won't be together, hand-in-hand, I know that their hearts will always be intertwined and beating as one... just like Guniyal and VC's hands were intertwined as one solid foundation! 😳

I won't even get into the factory scene... I was fangirling and blushing the whole time. It didn't live up to the media hype, but it was so magical on its own... My eyes were fixed onto Kumud and especially, Saras' eyes... their facial expressions. Hats off once again to Gautam Rode and Jennifer Singh Grover! 😳

Of course, those intertwined hands are why Kumud was so upset for the second half of the episode. Her forgotten maryada is why she is in such despair... I will be hoping, perhaps against the odds, nonetheless, that SaMud's final broken wall isn't the reason why Kumud gets married off to someone else...

Saras' concern for Kumud the day after really proved to me the extent of their relationship. The caring between the duo is infinite. And even though Kumud was sorrowed, her care for Saras still shone through from her head shake when he asked whether or not she trusts his love. 👏

But I would like to agree with you Arshi, and say that, YES, I have immense, immense respect for Saras for stepping up to the plate and taking in Kumud's feelings and circumstances seriously. The fact that he is taking equal blame shows his true character. 😳

Absolutely lovely post, and what a rollercoaster ride that was today's episode! Yaay! 😃 😳
(I've used about three boxes of tissue so far, ever since the show started... Just an update from thsi phanki right here... I'm seriously considering creating a support group for us SaMud fans now... I definitely might need one soon! 😉 😆 )


Thanks for highlighting the VC Gun Togetherness here Veera,

So much written and said, and there are still nuances in this epi that haven't been explored

As you rightly said, that is one major reason for why Kumud feels the way she does

And that trust and togetherness, Veera is also what Gun and VC will need, whenKumud's life goes through pain and turmoil.

I wonder how this event will impact their relationship, right now the suspense is killing

Ali raza ji is good, but I miss Yatin ji, he was so good as VC, that we will take time to replace him!


Wonderful post as always Veera, enlist me in the support group 😭

And happy birthday!
Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#75
Very nicely written!!! The episode felt better through your words, otherwise to watch it was very disappointing. Ajeeb dastan hain ye kahan se shuru hui thi and now don't know kahan khatam hogi!!! I am confused.😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
#76
loved ur post arshi..the episode was good..acting superb! the consummation scene could have been better, did not match the hype created by the media..crying started too early, they should have made this episode romantic and then crying should have been left for friday or monday..little disappointed!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#77

Originally posted by: arshicritic


Nandy, what is the moonlighting curse effect?



MOONLIGHTING was a popular comedy-drama of the 1980's, starring Cybill Shepherd and Bruce Willis as detectives. The show scored high ratings until its leads did the deed. It was all downhill from there. It was cancelled a couple seasons after the ratings dropped drastically.

It became known as the moonlighting curse.

To avoid the moonlighting curse, the leads are kept away from each other as long as possible and romantic tension is maintained to ensure success of the show.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Aha!

This twist in the tale which is foxing many of us here, is probably a TRP move. As discussed before on various 'why is our TRP so low?" threads, the people on this forum are not the same sort of folks as the ones with the TRP-meters, by and large. Hence the high popularity of this show on this forum, and the low TRP's at the same time.

Showing Kumud as a girl who got carried away by the moment, gave in to the man she loved, was a mostly passive/helpless object of his desires, rather than an equal participant in the "act", and then the bitter regret, self-flagellation and high drama without any trace of subtlety or nuance that has been the heart and soul of this show so far, may be something that would appeal to the other audience.

Shall have to wait and see if this track actually does anything for the TRP's... What a waste otherwise!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The only possible disconnect that people might have felt was the fact that Kumud from beginning till the end didn't look hesitant, scared or doubtful enough to convince the audience of her remorse the next day.. I think the scene could have worked better had it been little more detailed and long..not asking for any more intimacy than shown because it was more of a ''message conveyed'' scene but it didnt get conveyed strong enough because of that little disconnect there..thats what I felt.. Had they shown Kumud's reaction similar to the one she had on the stormy night.. Saras comforting her, assuring her and then gradually her giving in..that would have made the scene next day a little more convincing..Coz people may tend to think and rightly so that she didnt stop him, was as willing as him..then why the sudden self blame and over reaction? or maybe they could have shown the morning after scene..the realization dawning upon her..how she reached home.. ?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: vaishali-AR

The only possible disconnect that people might have felt was the fact that Kumud from beginning till the end didn't look hesitant, scared or doubtful enough to convince the audience of her remorse the next day.. I think the scene could have worked better had it been little more detailed and long..not asking for any more intimacy than shown because it was more of a ''message conveyed'' scene but it didnt get conveyed strong enough because of that little disconnect there..thats what I felt.. Had they shown Kumud's reaction similar to the one she had on the stormy night.. Saras comforting her, assuring her and then gradually her giving in..that would have made the scene next day a little more convincing..Coz people may tend to think and rightly so that she didnt stop him, was as willing as him..then why the sudden self blame and over reaction? or maybe they could have shown the morning after scene..the realization dawning upon her..how she reached home.. ?


Exactly Vaishali. There was not even a cliched "two flowers touching" indication of what's the scene about! Next day, The character had to spell it out and shock audience simultaneously, " kal jo hua , .. paap".
The messed up precap only suggest, someone at the helm is confused enough. They donot know themselves what order is the sequence of events .

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