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Posted: 12 years ago
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Copy pasting my reply on Reema's post.. sorry for the long essay..

Thank you Reema for talking about the essence of the scene and its impact on their love story rather than the blame game.. who was wrong ? who was right? I for one, am very happy with the whole treatment of the love making scene.. Why? Because it focused more on what led to it and its repercussions rather than the act itself.. This actually goes to show that the scene was put not to garner TRP's but to achieve something important as far as the storyline is concerned.. It added very key elements to the story and has placed the plot in a very interesting point, from where it could go anywhere.. A lot will be put to test , the characters individually and their ways of dealing with it... all the promises made to each other and their respective parents about trust being the basis of relationships, about supporting each other at all times.. self introspection, their individual take on love and relationships. will be under self scrutiny... '' Mardo ko moh ka shraap hota hai aur aurton ko maryada ka vardaan '' the different perspectives of a man and woman..will they understand each other's view point... ?? we'l see in the coming days..

Now coming to the scene itself..., Kumud putting the garland on him in my opinion, triggered the whole scene.. Saras was just expecting an affirmation but exchanging garlands on the auspicious night of full moon, took the whole thing on another level... Her washing his foot with her hands and wiping it with her dupatta was the next trigger.. i didn't feel it regressive at all.. if he can take her injured foot on his lap and tend to it as if he was caressing a flower, why is it regressive if she does it for him..? It is the willingness of a highly self esteemed woman to serve her man out of love that comes across through this scene for me..she made Saras feel that he has a special place in her heart..Loved his expression.. he was too overwhelmed to even stop her.. Wife touching her husband's feet is not regressive for me.. its just a gesture of respect from the woman's side for her man and if it gets reciprocated by the kind of love Saras has for Kumud, why should it be regressive.. I find it very beautiful.. I thought that scene was very SLB.. The effect that gesture had on Saras was like a point of no return... He viewed her in a completely different light from there on... His intentions very pure and very clear... he wanted to savour her, feel the emotion of loving and being loved.. '' her ehsaas, her jazbaat ko mehsoos karna chahta hoon'' he wanted to make love to her...he took her permission for that..When he was caressing her arms, it felt like his body was aching to make love to her... How could she resist those gentle caresses and those longing eyes.. she gave in...

Her remorse next day, all that crying and bitterness towards Saras was NOT an act of accussing Saras.. AT ALLL !!!! It was only and only the guilt of not being able to hold herself back and having that so important self -restraint that is instilled in her value system.. Kumud is progressive, bold, educated, modern and everything but the righteous girl brought up in a house where maan maryada is an asset that you are expected to protect at all times, is bound to judge her own actions.. Her father proudly says that they have drawn a line that they know she is never gonna cross.. wouldn't those words ring in her ears? She herself takes pride in saying that her father may not have earned a lot of money, but he has earned a lot of respect in life.. Wouldn't she fear that her act can jeopardize his respect in the society , if god forbid anyone comes to know of it..? More than anything else, she blames herself for not having the self control ..for turning the boon of ''maryada'' into a curse.. She doesn't blame Saras.. In her mind, men giving in to desire is permissible... but women doing the same is not permissible... Saras coming near her is agonizing her more because it reminds her of her own folly... She trusts him and his love immensely.. Its her own self that she doesn't trust... especially around him.. I feel bad for Saras.. he was in no two minds.. For him, the act of making love to her was as sacred as offering prayer in a temple.. he can never associate the word ''paap'' with it... I hope he tries to look at things from her point of view.. only he can at the moment.. she is too drowned in self remorse to see anything straight or even cherish the most beautiful moment of her life..


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaadal

Arshiji - aapke charan kahan hai??? What a beautiful post. You have justified the episode really well. I would not rate it as high you did today.

I am not judging the morality of the act but I did think Kumud was being way too harsh on Saras. She is not blaming Saras though, she blames herself for loosing control. Scares me to think what penance they are talking about..

I understand that PMS is a taboo esp in rural settings and with her kind of upbringing and set of values. Completion of rituals, Gandharva vivah style without witnesses and her family giving her away is not sanction enough for Kumud to do the deed. So it is a sin for her. I just wish I had not heard her call it a sin though. I felt so bad for Saras.Uff, these raging haarrmonesss 😆

I wonder if there was there pressure from SP who likes to play it safe and pride themselves on their shows promoting values and morals to make some changes, to tone it down after the media went crazy with reports of bold scenes!! If PMS was such an issue, don't approve the script from PH.

I also wonder if this is it or are they going to show some scenes in flashbacks? If this is it, I hope the various writers of the articles, interviewers who ceaselessly hyped the PMS watched the 'bold and steamy' scene today. 🤣 Honestly, I was not expecting much but this was even less than I was expecting. It did not even come across very sensual IMHO.

I did not like the pati parmeshwar ka charan washing either. Dear Lord.

The Desais seem to forget completely that Guman will be Kumud's mother-in-law. They think she will be happy with Saras, in LN's house!!

Dukhba pay attention to your daughter.

Bechara Gautam really sounded and looked unwell. Loved the way he paused before he said '''.. mistake of coming close to you. He is deeply hurt by her attitude.

Pregnancy being the possibility of marriage would be so cliched- I sincerely hope not, just the social stigma of PMS info getting out in public is cause enough for a rushed marriage to Pramad.


Arshiji, aapka post toh bahut popular ho gaya hai. I see so many new members and newbies posting here. Welcome to CB everyone.




Nandy, even I didn't like the scene of charan washing, felt too filmy. I agree they seem to have forgotten about Guman. I was thinking the same when both VC was saying Nandu ke ghar mein. As for the scene I don't think this is it. I think we will get it in fb. My only wish is either Saras or Kumud remembers it and not from Guman's mouth. I don't think they will bring pregnancy in this.

Arshi has become popular and busy now :) After sometime we can't catch her. Happy for you Arshiji, your post are the best.

Sorry dears, my loss that I miss out on all discussions, but right now traveling most of the time and that makes it tough to be connected all the time.
Network connectivity is a major issue I am facing right now!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: sraskumud


a big execution prblm is gng on...d show...the actors r dng a great job ..but i guess blame on trp game for this mess of each n every sequnces of episode n illogical scenes...


Ya, the precap mess, I wonder why so. The epi was not disjointed IMO, I actually liked the synergy!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#64

Originally posted by: sraskumud

@arshicritic..: i wont say u made a nice post. ..infact i would go ahead n say...what a brillint explantion ...👏( clearing my confusions...)...only u can simplify d whole thng n beautiful way...

i thnk ur cb should be shown after d ending of episode too...😆😆 for most of d people who r puzzled...

😊


Thank you dear, I love the appreciation !!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth


That's correct Arshi...Haven't Cvs already put a relevant dialogue on Guniyal? That day she told Saras,"Woman brings you love, to shield/cherish is Man's duty." And Saras is fulfilling his part, why is she rescinding? Try him and then judge...perhaps she needs more assurance and he will not fall inadequate, I think. And that's where Guman will strike...
But what an upturn from the original!! Ok no more...


Smrth, it wasn't really about what Saras did or didn't do, it was about her, she failed herself by allowing this,

It is her guilt, her Agni snan, and so she suffers! I don't think she blames Saras . It is forgiveness from Guniyal that will help her, it is their values and trust that she feels she has broken
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sraskumud


1st of all if i sound wierd today then dont bash me plzz ...kkk so cmng back for today's epi i'm with team kumud ..n her reactions too...cmmn guys we need to understand her ...what i thnk.she's not angry n saras...but on herself n her actions she did ...(u knw it). she may be feelng little bit scared for what happend( not guilty)...coz our society thnk 1 should be n limit n shuldnt crossed line before marriage n all...n that's why she is puzzled n thnk it too be sin..kumud is pride of parentsn family ..her parents trust her lot...n thnks that she wont do any thng like that at end of day its not boy but girl is blamed ...but their story is differnt n so their journey of love...

.but the way they both see their love is different n the way the society will c n judge is totally different n harsh.

.she know that she love saras..n their love is eternal but what...for saras he wont understand her feelings now for what happened.it will take tym...but i 'm sure he'll clear everythng..n will fully support her..n will gain her confidence n most important her faith in his love for kumud back again...


Very well said dear, you have explained it very well, and Kumud has been brought up to believe it is a sin
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: P020167

See this is what my problem is: Social condition. I understand this and get it.

When Saras touched her waist first time, he felt guilty...well accepted by all of us. Their love was too young for any physical touch. At that time, even their emotional touch was young too.

But this time, when everyone agreed to their marriage, kissing Kumud's hand, Dugba said "they already are married", they both already accepted each other as soul mate (garland exchange)...why to feel guilty. Why not tell "social condition' that I am already married to this guy?

If she can't see in this way...then stop it right away...don't let Saras kiss her...don't let Saras come near to her...keep 4 kadam ki dooriya.

And on top of it, she blames Saras for this.

I really wish CVs could have shown her as dilemma and Saras explaining why this was pure as love...rather than she is (and will be tomorrow)...hysterically crying...What a way to end this weeks episode, sign!!! May be Dugba will make her understand!

Saras stole my heart today...he doesn't feel guilty but since Kumud is...he is taking blame on himself.


Quite a situation isn't it!

And I loved the point you brought out, and I too face the same questions.

At what point does physical intimacy stop being right and crosses the line of acceptability?

Is hand holding ok, but not kissing, is kissing ok, but not more?

Once again, what is the line that must not be crossed before marriage?

The answers will vary with place, time, culture, religious beliefs and individual belief system

I only feel that if it does not feel right to you, it's not right for you!

But to be fair to Kumud, she doesn't blame Saras, she blames herself

And I too loved the way Saras reacted!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: smrth

Nandy...let us remember her accompanying dismay, " tumhe sirf 'paane' ki zid he?" She may well figure 'this' as ''acquisition'...which is what Guman was nailing!

@hgg, we may still have beautiful week...Saras will not give up easily...😆


Oh God, that would be awful! If she thinks of this as acquisition, it would be so unfair to Saras and demean his love and their relationship

I would be very upset with Kumud if she follows that thought!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Infofan

Are we going to see the dreaded moonlighting curse effect here now onwards?🤢


Nandy, what is the moonlighting curse effect?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: hotdogg

sorry...just personally did not get the hysterical reaction and blame game on saras...
Edit: After reading rest of the posts:
- not focusing on guman ...just trying to sort out kumud's reaction...
- SLB is not stupid...so there's a reason...
However this could be the reason for kumud's reaction ...
- saras calls her to meet him.
- then he gives the speech about the auspicious ocassion and then about husband & wife.
- kumud is all lovey dovey...the garland thing is a very simple expression of her calling out to him as her husband, then the feet washing (found it pretty regressive personally)..
- then saras gets more lovey dovey...the paint on face and wiping (did not understand the significance of what that was about)
- then he holds her back and then the PMS
from kumud's perspective...
- she was expecting simple lovey dovey stuff, but our dikra just did not stop at that and went all the way...with her consent of course...
- but she was in a blissful happy state just because of saras proposal and that the man of her dreams is finally going to marry her.. she would have done anything saras asked her at that time...
i am not saying saras is guilty or manipulative...just that his expression of love was in a different way...
..but if she was clearly not expecting it, would she feel later that she was emotionally manipulated into PMS by saras?...she went from light touching to PMS by saras...with nothing in between...
..imagine a traditionally brought up girl, who has a certain clear perspective of what is right & wrong, who knows she is given the freedom to do as she pleases due to the trust her parents have on her...and on the day her wedding is announced she ends up having PMS..
its not about love, intention of love (she replies in the negative when saras asks her if she doesn't trust his love), whether she did it voluntarily or involuntarily, whether she could have stopped him (no way! with her state of bliss, she would have followed saras to hell and back)..
..for her personally its about the line that has been crossed irreversibly...and falling short of all the trust her parents had on her...a crossing of a personal red line..therefore a personal failing...from which she can never come back...maybe that's the 'paap' she refers too,,,
the emotional grief / guilt will far outweigh the feeling of love momentarily...


Thank you hotdogg, once again, your wonderful power of expression and analytical skills help

Explain and clear a lot of confusions!

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