Ye didi kaun se himmat ki baat kar rahi hai ? - Page 5

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all). His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love. It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

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Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all). His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love. It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

@bold

why virat did what on pakhis wedding is a beaten story and I already discussed it before but yes this is the reason. He prioritized his brother before anyone at that pint because he knows how much samrat has fallen for this girl. I also believe that virat would not have married pakhi even if their relationship is out in public that day because he gave up on it when he told her that ‘ he can’t marry her ‘ as a statement. Knowing virat, I don’t think he will be comfortable living with a girl who samrat loves. He is a family man and he doesn’t like that discomfort. If only pakhi could understand that he has given up on her that day, it would have been easier for her. But she thought if she stays in front of his eyes and combined with vaada, she is bounded to him by heart. Even though it was not for ema initially, later when samrat fails to show up her focus was to break his marriage why? Because she thinks she has a chance now to marry him with trimurthis support. that chance is slipping away hence she is frustrated. She has to ask this question to herself once again. If for whatever reason virat and sai separate, will she ever get the virat she wanted? No because that man belongs to someone else. She has to sit and think!

Originally posted by: sadiltl

@bold

why virat did what on pakhis wedding is a beaten story and I already discussed it before but yes this is the reason. He prioritized her brother before anyone at that pint because he knows how much samrat has fallen for this girl. I also believe that virat would not have married pakhi even if their relationship is out in public that day because he gave up on it when he told her that ‘ he can’t marry her ‘ as a statement. Knowing virat, I don’t think he will be comfortable living with a girl who samrat loves. He is a family man and he doesn’t like that discomfort. If only pakhi could understand that he has given up on her that day, it would have been easier for her. But she thought if she stays in front of his eyes and combined with vaada, she is bounded to him by heart. Even though it was not for ema initially, later when samrat fails to show up her focus was to break his marriage why? Because she thinks she has a chance now to marry him with trimurthis support. that chance is slipping away hence she is frustrated. She has to ask this question to herself once again. If for whatever reason virat and sai separate, will she ever get the virat she wanted? No because that man belongs to someone else. She has to sit and think!

Bold - Aptly said there is no end game here and she must understand it. She must think and come to terms with reality.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all). His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love. It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

Virat will give away on sai if Sai herself comeout clean & state she is not in love with him & can never see him as husband . Virat will happily go away from her life as he is not a stalker that he will keep stalking sai .

If virat don't married sai I can with guarantee say he would not be like pakhi thinking of an ema in absence of samrat who is army officer, most probably be would had transferred , so being in limit virat don't need sai's presence he already know d limit & he is person who is maintaining it .

I dint get what I meant by mirror image ? How virat & pakhi r mirror image ?

I really amused how I read virat don't had courage to fight 4 pakhi🤪 , I mean really why will he fight 4 girl who will fully agreed to marry samrat & if he would had not arrived on haldi then she would had got married to samrat .

More than virat samrat needs to know from pakhi what she want as it was she who agreed to marry him .

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all). His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love. It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

Loved reading this take. As I have written in various other posts on this forum, what Virat and Pakhi had cannot be described as love to me in any way what-so-ever. It was infatuation, and nothing more. Pakhi is a delusional woman who is now obsessed with man she knew for only a few days. In terms of Virat, I always say that he made the vaadas to both Pakhi and Sai in the heat of the moment...he did not think about the consequences...he was entirely overridden with emotions. That's not to say that he not not intend to keep both of this promises, because he does have a strong moral compass and goes by his word. However, he had already started falling in love with Sai since the very first day he met her...and I will stand by this forever. The problem was that Sai was so unlike anyone he had ever met, and in his mind, he was so convinced that Pakhi was his love, that he tried everything he could do to keep telling himself what he wanted....but all of this was doomed from the start.

Lolzzz.... Samrat is a army officer so he won't be with her all the time so Virat is left until he gets some transfer... So it's win win situation.... Samrat se shaadi bhi hui aur Virat bhi mil gaya... She is smart though but Didi ka bada wala popat hua 🤣

Adversity, disappointment, failures, solitude are the true test of character. And pp has failed at this test miserably

She didnt seem like an evil/bad person before because she was pampered by her parents and had everything handed to her. When she is finally put in a position where she needs to display her real character she us showing who she really is. Sometimes circumstances force a negative/extreme reaction from a person which can probably be forgiven/overlooked as in Virat and Sai's case because they genuinely introspect and apologizes/regret/feel guilty when wrong and are always well intentioned. but pp does not fit that category either. She is consistently evil now and has shown no introspection even in her own head. Evertime she cries or looks upset- its only and only about her own self. When virat was in hospital, she cared only because she perceives him as her possession. She didnt actually care about him because if she did she would not have stopped Sai when she saw he was calling for her, she wouldn't create a tamasha as soon as he came back home. She cried when Sai fell because she was worried that virat would hold her accountable. She has never felt guilty for what she puts Sai through. Whether intentional or not, a normal person would feel bad about hurting the other. She NEVER said sorry to Sai. The only time she apologized to Sai was post hospital homecoming and that was sarcastic, not genuine. So she is the incarnation of all things evil, negative. There is NO redemption. Makers will whitewash her eventually if they copy KD but as a viewer for me, i think she is the scum of humanity. I'm glad she is a fictional character. I would never want to meet a real person that is pp.

Originally posted by: nethraa_99

Pakhi is too delusional to be relatable. But as a fictional character, she can be analysed.

At the start of the show, Pakhi is shown to be a care-free girl, travelling and enjoying her life. She is quite polite. The first important information that we gather about her is her unmarried status (at 26 years) - and the reason is she is waiting for destiny to show her THE ONE - who by her definition is someone who will look into her eyes and be lost. I don't know of I'm right, but to me that sounds too much like a fairytale view of love.

She meets Virat and feels an instant connection and she decides that destiny has finally found her the one. Fate separates them even before they can confess their feelings. This brings another important aspect of Pakhi's personality. When Virat fails to recognize her voice, she feels rejected - because according to her if Virat truly loved her, he would know her voice! This assumption is very juvenile and she reacts to this childish belief by switching off her phone. And henceforth, she never even tries to take things into her own hands, to fight for her love. Which makes one wonder about Pakhi's upbringing - has she never faced any disappointment (even small ones) in her life? Perhaps, she was her father's princess - had everything served on a platter; never had to struggle for anything? Had a cocooned life which never gave her a taste of real life? Just as a difficult childhood can blight an individual's life even after they grow up, an upbringing that is too sheltered and never prepares you to face the realities of life is highly dysfunctional one as well.

After the failed phone call, Pakhi has already given up on her love. Dejected and heartbroken, she agrees to an arranged marriage for the sake of her parents. As misfortune would have it, on the day of her wedding, she meets Virat and also learns that he was blameless in their 'relationship'. I don't believe she was planning on an EMA with Virat, I don't think she even knew what she was doing - she was overwhelmed with emotion and her only instinct was to not let go of Virat. This decision was the biggest mistake of her life. When we end our relationship with someone, we move as far away from that person as possible and try to rebuild our life. But Pakhi's situation became exactly opposite to what would have helped her move on - seeing her Ex everyday and that too with a young wife he was quickly getting attached to - she got sucked in a whirlpool.

I don't think she was a manipulative person before, but in her desperation to prevent Virat from slipping away from her life, she developed a lot of negative skills almost instinctively. The more Virat leaned towards Sai, the greater was her desperation. Like Asmi said, hatred for Sai would have been an understandable emotion but alas she went too far in her actions.

I agree with Anamika - I also found Virat - Pakhi's dialogues on 'himmat' powerful. Pakhi who was thus far, always focused on retaining Virat's favour by acting demure (at the cost of her self-respect) but cloaked under the guise of maturity, Samrat, family - finally let her real feelings show. She resents Virat for not standing up for their love - and that anger, she projects on Sai. It is ironic because she herself never found the courage to either fight for her love or to own up to her mistake in the failed 'romance' or hell, even to confront Virat. I liked @cheekukabeej's take on this - she doesn't take responsibilty because she hasn't even realized it - and realization is always the first step towards taking responsibility.

It might seem Virat lacked himmat when he refused to marry Samrat - to me he lacked motivation. For all his 'dard and 'zindagi ujad jaana' feelings - somwhere his heart did not really value that 'love' (unlike Pakhi, he has seen the real world after all). His overwhelming emotions and resulting ridiculous vaada came from a confusion over the idea of love. It is interesting what he tells Pakhi during Samrat's wedding - "Main Samrat ke liye apni jaan dene ko taiyaar hoon, pyaar to choti si cheez hai" 😆. Will he ever say that his love for Sai is "choti si cheez"? Or give up Sai just as easily as he sacrificed Pakhi?

Next point - we keep discussing about Virat and Pakhi's proximity in the scenes. What if they are actually deliberate? Are the writers trying a bad attempt at imagery and symbolism - that Virat and Pakhi are mirror images of each other? Both highly emotional, extreme in their love and crossing boundaries when their love is under question? Difference is that Virat got the love of his life and Pakhi didn't? (I hope that I'm mistaken 😆).

Beautifully penned down❤️

And Thankyou for liking my post😳

I don't agree on just one thing though. She didn't block his number because he didn't recognise her voice. She blocked him because he didn't save her number jo usne itne pyar se diya tha.

And about proximity, as I had said in another post, I don't see any proximity between them😆except for perhaps one scene where he tries to hush her so that she doesn't reveal about the surprise. That felt deliberate on makers' part.

Originally posted by: cheekukabeej

Lovely post Nethraa.

Beautifully penned down❤️

And Thankyou for liking my post😳

I don't agree on just one thing though. She didn't block his number because he didn't recognise her voice. She blocked him because he didn't save her number jo usne itne pyar se diya tha.

And about proximity, as I had said in another post, I don't see any proximity between them😆except for perhaps one scene where he tries to hush her so that she doesn't reveal about the surprise. That felt deliberate on makers' part.

Yeah you are right, she blocked him because he didn't save her number.

Proximity - I've never noticed it too. I'm too bad at noticing such details. 😆But forum members have been pointing it out - how they are always placed together even during family scenes.

The KKHH moment and recent dining table hand holding was so blatant - how can it not mean anything? I don't even want to guess the idea behind those. But, if such blatant things can be shown why cannot the standing close together be deliberate too?