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Posted: 9 years ago
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AREEBA THIS POST IS MY NEW BAE.
You said it all. Everything else is ok what i don't understand is why are we even having this debate. Like i dont know what the makers are planning to do with TEI and i dont care but how is there even a fandom for YUVLE.

Just because they were the so called original jodi, and they look good together? Assuming kunj came in between them, even then how can anyone justify yuvi is so out my understanding.When did rape attempts became a part of conquering love. I legit saw a post saying ' oh that has happened in the movie raja ki aaayegi baaraat' -like dude no i need to meet a girl in real who actually forgives rape or rape attempts.

I am not against a difference of opinion or choice but i dont think there is a choice here for anyone.
And YUVLE Game Plan theory literally made give up on ever getting in between their conversations.🤔
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Posted: 9 years ago
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AREEBA! I have been off the forum for a bit and same like you just skimming the WU. But i cannot tell you how happy this post made me. I don't have anything to add because you have said everything I thought of. Fandom ship-wars were actually starting to bother me. But this sentence below you wrote is the essence of the triangle that was portrayed.


Originally posted by: areeba_blossom


The difference between Kunj Sarna and Yuvraj Luthra is that one took permission of the girl before coming into her life and the other manipulated and forced his way in and refuses to leave.


Love you for this amazing post!
Edited by 3dancelover - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes i definitely agree with you...
Theres a difference between Love and Obsession... But Yuvraj's love cannot be tagged as "Obsession" either. Because Yuvraj's love is not "One Sided" Its not like Yuvi fantasized twinkle while twinkle was in relationship with kunj😆

You are totally forgetting one thing.. it was Kunj who had "INTERFERED" between YuvLe
Lol how conviniently and easily you guys forget is amazing 😆

And as for rapist/molester issue... lol Yuvraj was never exactly shown as rapist.. unless the definition of rape has changed , lol if playing with a dupatta on bed is equal to rape then lol yes he is a rapist then 😆 yes Yuvi did say he wanted to rape twinkle but that could be his nautanki again it all boils down to YuvLe game plan, but i know you guys are not ready to hear it... So lets leave it...

And as far as Yuvi forcing help for twinkle is concerned then lol i suggest you guys should watch the episodes again 😛. Its Twinkle who initiated her being "FRIENDS FOR LIFE" to Yuvi😆.
And one more thing, same thing Kunj was doing in the beginning, he always "FORCED" his so called "HELP" to twinkle, while twinkle was "LEAST" interested to even talk to kunj 😕 then how come at that time you guys had no problem? 😕


Anyways my friend wanted to reply on this post, since she does not have an account here, i will post her reply here:

Lol same questions frm us yuvle fans..jus lik nw u feel yuvi is interfering kunj also had interfered between yuvle.evn t didn't need kunjs help in d beginning nor she ws interested in him bt still he interfered...if kunjs interference ws called 'help' so is yuvis...yuvi is also helping t nt interfering..

U say yuvis love is obsession no its nt..it turned into obsession becoz k snatched t frm yuvi...remember recently yuvi sed "shayad tu bhul gayi hai twinkle tu meri adat ban chuki thi" y stay 7 yrs with yuvi n leave him lik that if t ws sure she would choose leela...bdw,ab bahut jaldi k ka pyar obsession ban jayega

U say yuvi is trying to show hw good he is n he undrstnds t...yes yuvi does undrstnd twinkle better Thn k...he doesnt need to show...k doesnt knw twinkle at all he doesn't evn trust her dats y t always had to prove herself...did yuvi evr torture twinkle in dos 7 yrs?? If k had nt interfered between uvle n nt showed(impressed) leela Hw good he is n if he had nt snatched t frm yuvi Thn yuvis love would nvr turn into obsession...he would hav kept her happy hwevr t ws happy with yuvi also dey were tit for tat couple...its nt that yuvi ne t par 7 saal tak koi zulm kia aur t wo sab sehti rahi...

Hero to kunj banne ki kosish kar raha tha n whn yuvi changed n t ws happy with yuvi k started feeling jealous abt yuvi...y ws he jealous coz large hearted(mahan) ppl don't get jealous. yes I agree yuvis character cnt b redeemed nw n for all ur morals n preachings firstly I shall say...don forget its jus a show nt reality n in no one will support a rapist...n one more thing if yuvi had nt got probs for twinj dey would nvr unite,n if yuvi had sacrificed at that time only Thn t would love yuvi more n more...n jus thnk evn if yuvi had tld t "ja khus reh apni zindagi je le" den do thnk Anita would keep quite...if nt yuvi Anita would hav definitely seperated twinj or if u expect yuvi to b twinjs bodyguard Thn no v yuvle don lik this...n its u ppl who would say yuvi shld do more bad with t so that t hates yuvi n falls for k..

In reality no one would support a rapist, but if Twinkle has no problem with being "around" with Yuvi, then think why is it so... How come twinkle is not "Scarred" of Yuvi???? THINK

U ppl were enjoying to c twinj becoz of yvi at that time bt nw u cnt accept yuvi...n whn t did all that during roka with k jus to expose him though she ws committed to yuvi tab tum log kaha the ws that nt wrong...Hw yuvi must hav felt at that time yuvi did say " u don knw what I went through jab Maine tujhe uss kunj sarna ke baho mai dekha "


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Edited by sumz_d - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#44
Seriously @sumz d. This is just a serial. Take it as entertainment. Let us be on r our own and u do what u want to do.
Stop yuvle chant.
Some points to be cleared.
Firstly what yuvraj is doing is obsession of a different kind. Doesn't he have his own life to interfere in twinjs life all the time?
Secondly yuvraj did attempt rape he confessed it to kunj. He wanted kunj to bear the brunt of what he did.
Thirldly, if u watched the show u shud know twinj became friends slowly and he didn't interfere in yuvraj twinkles relation.
Fourth, it was no yuvraj twinkle plan. Its possible its uvs plan.
Fifth, yuvraj always interfered in twinjs relation not kunj.
Sixth, if u noticed kunj always said ki jo log ek doosre se pyaar karte hain woh ek doosre ko dukh nahin pahuchate.
True yuvi never tortured twinkle because he wanted to give her the biggest dhokha by breaking her heart and taking his mom's revenge.
8th as for calling kunj hero yes he's the hero of the show and will be. On top of that he never interfered in yuvraj and twinkles life.

Excuse me did u call kunj jealous😆 lol. When did that happen? Maybe i was watching another show.

U must be wondering i never called yuvraj twinkle as yuvle 😡 because i 🤢 yuvle.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Areeba very nice post
you described the main difference between Kunj and yuvi perfectly
whether yuvi is positive or negative he can't be good enough like Kunj
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Posted: 9 years ago
#46
@Sumz_d: I've always tried to take the high road and not engage in a battle of words with you but i guess it's time to get some facts right.
I apologise beforehand if anything i say sounds rude to you, that isn't my intention.

There is a thin line between love and obsession and Yuvi's love has crossed over to the other side. I know that he and Twinkle were in a relationship at one point of time but when that relationship ended, he chose to obsess over her rather than letting go. In a sense, he did make some pretty diabolical plans to make someone else's wife his and that my friend fits the bill as obsessive behavior.

Just for the record, Kunj never interfered in Twinkle's relationship with Yuvi. He was just a voice of reason to her which ultimately made her question her whole equation with Yuvi. He only stepped in when the need arised, and most of the times it was to protect Twinkle from her boyfriend who had some serious anger issues. Its amazing how conveniently facts are twisted.

So wait? Just because his plans to molest someone went wrong, he isn't to be termed as a rapist? He is to be treated differently just because he never made a full proof plan? It's not playing with the dupatta, it's the spiking-a-drink-and-attempting-to-rape thing that is working against Yuvi. He has attempted to rape Twinkle, twice or thrice and if this doesn't raise a few red flags about his character then i don't know what to say to you.
Even the thought of playing with a woman's virtue is despicable and disgusting.

Last time i checked, it was Twinkle herself who asked Yuvraj to stop interfering in her life and turned down his multiple advances to help her. So that cancels out the friends for life thing right?
Also Kunj's intentions while helping Twinkle were pure and he was genuine in his approach. You can't compare these two men on the same grounds. One of them tried to inflict her with endless pain while the other one always stood in harm's way to protect her.
Just so you don't mess it up, the former is Yuvi and the latter is Kunj.

Coming to your buddy's arguments.
I guess i've already answered to the first query. Don't think i need to repeat myself.

Okay so Yuvi turned obsessive because Kunj snatched Twinkle from him? Let's take a trip down memory lane here. It was Twinkle who chose Kunj over Yuvi, Kunj had offered to back off from the alliance but Twinkle chose not to and went ahead with the wedding.
Twinkle's decision to choose her mother over Yuvi wasn't something spontaneous. She always thought that someday her mother would come around, but the moment she saw Leela with that bottle of poison, she realised that her mother would choose death over her alliance with Yuvi. Its at that moment that she decided that her mom means more to her. She pondered over the events again and again and finally decided to calls things off with Yuvi.
Kunj can never hurt Twinkle no matter how much he is hurt by her. He loves her and nothing can change that. I say reserve your comments until the future track is made clear.

Yuvraj doesn't know Twinkle better than Kunj. Heck, he can't even understand when to back off and apparently her 'no' means 'yes' to him. Yuvraj Luthra can never understand Twinkle.

Coming to the trust issues, Kunj has always had his faith in her. He stood by her in testing times when everyone else chose not to. Let's just go back to the Purvi-Manohar deal for instance, he believed her to be innocent even when everyone else held her responsible for leaking the video. Kunj's problems have always been about Twinkle not sharing stuff with him and letting him in on her plans. Trust issues have never been his concern.
Lol, blaming Kunj for impressing Leela before Yuvi is like blaming every guy on this planet who is better than Yuvi in some sorts or the other. Yuvi had a lot of time to make an impression and it's not Kunj's fault that Yuvi failed to do so.
Gurl, Yuvi would have left her the following day of their marriage and she would have been left to fend for herself while her hubby dearest roamed the streets of Amritsar with a new girl by his side. Yuvraj never intended to spent his life with Twinkle. That was never on the table for him.

Kunj is a human, and its normal to be jealous BUT Kunj wasnt jealous but protective. He was skeptical about the overnight change in Yuvi's behavior and had his reservations about the same. He isn't wrong to not instill his faith in a guy who was trying to burn his wife alive and kill him a fortnight ago. He just wanted Twinkle's out of harms way and so asked Twinkle to keep her distance from Yuvi. I see nothing wrong in that.
For the sake of it, every person gets jealous at kne point of time in their lives, no matter how big hearted and nice they are.
Also we know this is just a soap opera and taking it in that sense but the message being sent out is just wrong and not right. Your argument about not supporting a rapist in reality is quite contradictory considering how you're here advocating for a fictional character who has attempted to do exactly the same.
Again, if Yuvi had let gone and respected Twinkle's choice of being with Kunj, then he would have saved himself the trouble of planning out a few rape attempts and murders. Twinkle would not suddenly find him appealing and leave Kunj to be with Yuvi. That's just bogus.
Anita would have been the same conniving self but at least Yuvi would have spared himself the drama and would have had a honest chance at being happy in life. He could have moved on.

Twinkle may have forgiven but she has clearly not forgotten Yuvi's wrongdoings. Maybe she is confident that he is a changed man now but she still hasn't let gone of the horrible things he has done in the past. We needn't think of why she isn't scared of him, that's something she has to do. Also forgiving someone doesn't mean that you've opened your heart out to them. Also, it's not what they are showing in the soap, it's about what's right and what's wrong.

Twinkle wasn't looking to hook up with Kunj. Fate just kept pushing them back together into such situations as a sign that they are meant to be. She didn't look for romantic stuff to happen with Kunj. They just happened.

We have always maintained that we have no issues with Yuvraj but issues with how they are showing a potential rapist and murderer get the girl. YuvLe is wrong on so many levels and it doesn't send out a good message.
We are not forcing you to like TwiNj, nor are we looking to like YuvLe.
Let's just find a middle ground and move ahead peacefully without indulging in these constant fandom wars. We don't like YuvLe, that doesn't mean we object to you liking them.

Edited by MaliciousAngel - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Sumz_d: ur definition of rape/rapist is terrible and disrespectful to real life victims.

Yuvi is a rapist (there is no maybe or if about it)...he is simply a rapist. Just because he hasn't been successful in raping Twinkle (fortunately for her) doesn't mean he isn't one.

He thinks like a rapist...he speaks like a rapist...his actions have been of a rapist. Did u conveniently forget that time he was taking her clothes off and videoing her (sexual assault) without her consent while she was unconscious. Or did you forget when he spiked her drink with a drug and then other guys nearly raped her (aswell as himself) before kunj saved her. Time and time again, he din't stop or neither would he have stopped from actually raping her had Kunj not interfered and saved her. In all these circumstance, he never had Twinkle's consent or permission whatsoever and never even thought abt twice about stopping from raping her.

That is the definition of a rapist, just because his victim has gotten lucky (thankfully) doesn't invalidate the fact that he would have raped her had circumstances been different (basically had no-one interfered). Yuvi has never stopped on his account.

And yes playing with her dupatta is sexual assault (it's neither funny/playful etc) because Twinkle didn't consent to it. Sexual assault is only one step away from rape.

Did you also conveniently forget that episode where he definitely sexually assaulted her after making her wear a short dress that she wasn't uncomfortable in and then touched her up despite Twinkle never wanting him to touch her. (And remember he and his mother manipulated the situation to put her in such a helpless situation).

Neither rape or sexual assault is a light matter that should be mocked or joked about. And this is why I stopped watching TEI cos I can't support anyone forgiving their rapist and befriending (just because it din't happen doesn't mean it wouldn't have happened had no-one interfered and therefore he is a rapist) them cos it sends out a very wrong message.

Your way of thinking is disconcerting and truly disrespectful to real life victims.

Honestly all that you have written about Kunj interfering between 'Yuvle' is wrong but I know when I see a lost cause and so I will keep my thoughts to myself.

However your thoughts about sexual assault/rape leave me uncomfortable. If someone doesn't explicitly consent to any sexual interaction then it's rape by definition. Consent matters and is the most important aspect of any sexual interactions.
Edited by Ahlaam5 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: areeba_blossom




Dude I miss teddy so much n the forum but i'm super glad to be still in touch with her. Her fan-girling posts were so refreshing to read. 😔

Kunj isliterallysaying that line everytime he has a confrontation with Yuvi. I just don'tunderstand why are people not able t differentiatebetween the meanings of a YES and a NO


I'm feeling so loved right now bruh <3 I miss those days damn.

Areeba I've already told you like 100x or more how brilliant you are and you know I agree with each and every point. Now I'm gonna go stalk what everyone else said 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't know whose comments I agree with more but you guys have said pretty much everything there is to be said. Desensitising obsession and making it look romantic is wrong, no matter how good looking the two people involved are. 🤔

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