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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: megha-

Rubbish. Can't believe so many people believe that arzoo is wrong for being a person of principles. Really? What has become of the world ? She is actually paying the price of being the selfless daughter of the selfish mother and the sister of the selfish sisters. How on earth can any sane girl with values marry a man with already a wife and no divorce. But then in today's world girls might be doing it for money. Amen. Sorry don't agree with your post.


Not really Megha , if you actually read every post, you will see that everyone here is actually asking her to move out of his house. No one is compelling her to stay. On what principle can you stay in another man's house with your family ?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MarathiMulgi

To be brutally frank, beggers can't be choosers. You want to tell SAC to hell with you and your business, then what the bloody hell are you doing in his house with your entire family? Why don't you walk away with your head held high with your principles intact even though your pocket is empty? Hai himmat? Walk the talk. Why did you not take the money SAC gave Nuasheen, throw it on SAC's face and marched out of Niamat House? Can someone please tell me that. You can't have the cake and eat it too particularly if you yourself have not bought it. You can't live in somebody's house and dictate what he should or should not do. He asked you to help him out as a business proposal and you said no. End of the story. Whether he is married or not, whether he should have mortgaged his and his family's everything or not, not your business when your answer is no. Walk away if you have the guts otherwise keep your mouth shut and compromise. As clear as that. Life ain't fair but it gives you a choice. Just like you should not be held accountable for SAC's deal promise, SAC is not held accountable for the state of things within your family. It is purely your headache to deal with. Take the ownership of your decision, yourself whether right or wrong. Don't blame others - neither SAC nor your own family.

All of us have all the 5 principles of nature within us - not just water and wood. It is when the imbalance between these arises, then it causes all the problems.

Aare deva "Kis Daily Soap mein hijack hua mera brain"😲


@MarathiMulgi - so so true. Beggars can't be choosers and Arzoo please walk the talk.
She has these high ideals... on paper. when it comes to living it out, she and her family are happy to compromise on their value system and bend and mold it as they please - nothing wrong with that. But then don't pretend to be the high priestess of all that is right and just. Accept that life sucks, your family sucks, your luck sucks, your decisions suck and therefore you are going to do something about it and then do it and stop cribbing and blaming the world for everything. In other words Arzoo... don't grow bitter... grow wiser. Just grow up.

Edited by Junoonian - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: pearly14

VD hugs to you for the great post 🤗

You have made some excellent points and I agree with you on most on them.But I also want to add that Aarzoo is not just paying the price for her principles, but she is also paying a price for her unwillingness to learn from others and this is not the first time.
Remember the challenge where she had to sell clothes in the mall ? Isn't that enough for her to understand how the world works ? That Sahir has more worldly experience than she does ? In my language we have a saying that a good cow needs only one beating.

The way her family reacted to her yesterday is precisely what Sahir wanted to save her from. He knows that if there is a need for money everybody's masks will go away and Aarzoo will have to see their true faces. This is the naqab he keeps talking about all the time, but he knows she cannot be bought with money.

Thats what he has probably been through. I am very sure, he would have been just like Aarzoo at a point of time but he has learnt the hard way and he did not want her to go through the same. After seeing everyone's true faces , Aarzoo now will have to put on mask just like Sahir has, to deal with those around her, to understand that she may be idealistic but not even her family will support her ideals if the choice is her or money.


Pearly you wrote my answer 😆😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pearly14

In my language we have a saying that a good cow needs only one beating.

The way her family reacted to her yesterday is precisely what Sahir wanted to save her from. He knows that if there is a need for money everybody's masks will go away and Aarzoo will have to see their true faces. This is the naqab he keeps talking about all the time, but he knows she cannot be bought with money.


Yeah but Arzoo never learns does she ? The ego that she carries around her compels her to bury her head into the sand like an ostrich and pretend that the situations around her do not exist. She knows they do not really have a home to go back to, had that been the case the whole family wouldn't have moved into Niyamat house,

Her family's life depends on money, she understands that, but doesn't want to acknowledge it. Thats why she cried buckets when she thought had lost her job, and she did admit later hat her Sahir sir was trying to teach her a lesson for her own good.

I had always thought that when Sahir would tell her that he stood to lose everything if Zaki didn't marry Samaira and therefore he put the proposal forward, she would atleast think about getting Zaki and Sam together even if she rightly rejected Sahir's proposal. I am not saying she should have coerced Zaki to get into a marriage of Dhoka but she could have talked to Zaki about the situations and Sahir's problems rather than agreeing to marry him herself. Not once does she think that yeah if Saiyara and Niyamat house are sold off, her job as well as the roof on her family's head would be gone.

She is again being dense, by not wanting to know the truth about Zeenat, she hasn't bothered to ask anyone about it, including Sahir, For her, he is married. period ! No need to know her where abouts or why she doesn't live there,

The worst part is after being in denial, after so many bad decisions, she will make the decision based on money only. And though Sahir has tried every trick in the book to get her to relent, ultimately its her family's financial security that will make her decide in his favor. So Sahir was right, ki apne man ki karne ke liye bhi paise ki zaroorat hoti hai.





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Posted: 10 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: -Rojaa-

You are right about how principles needs to be compromised at times owing to the materialistic world we live in.

But with due respect to you, I disagree with most of the other points.

Disclaimer : I'm a neutral viewer. My post is on this particular situation of the current track of the show, not a general view on principles.i apologize n advance for the typos.

First of all, Arzoo is paying the price but not for her unbending principles. In fact her idealistic vision has done few good things for her, SAC himself said " I respect you for being what you are" and he even admired her for being fearless as she fought against the bad, remember their confrontation during the pregnancy drama where Sac questioned her "are you the same girl who fought for anything that is wrong" ?

Now coming to what she is paying for :

She is paying the price of being the daughter of Nausheen.

*price of being the elder sister to two selfish girls, one of them want Arzoo to get married to a guy who apparently is the father of an illegitimate child so that the debt becoz of her education can be paid off.

*price of being the elder child and the breadwinner of her family. The girl can easily walk off abandoning her family but she won't! Becoz there is still some goodness in this world, there are is still humanity in this world. Not everyone can be self-centered, there are still people who genuinely care for their family and have strong emotions.

*price of falling in love, that too with SAC. Again she was emotionally blackmailed to confess her love when she tried to reason and run away from anything that might hurt her.

*price of Sahir being obsessed with her.

List is too long. And I don't agree that Arzoo has been unable to do anything. She has been the breadwinner of the family ( along with Nausheen if I'm not wrong ) but now in this situation she has to arrange a big amount, that too becoz of her mothers stupidity and betrayal to her. Had Nausheen told about Myra's admission fees, Arzoo could have asked for a loan right ? But no Nausheen hid things from her. Now Arzoo has to take responsibility for her mother's fault. Where did Arzoo's principles come in between ?

Coming to Sahir, he is the one who put everything at stake, why should others take responsibility for what he does ? Sahir is entirely wrong in this ! One fine day he decides he wants to fulfill the promise he made to his comatose wife, so everyone shoud dance to his tunes ? Marry him even though he is an already married man ?

For me Arzoo is paying the price for being Nausheen Sarfaraz Sheik's daughter , from now on she will pay the price of being SAC's second wife !

I apologize for the long post, just wanted to share my opinion.


wowww. ...awesome post...I totally agree with u, I am fed up of seeing post blaming Aarzoo, n seriously she is paying the price of being nausheen's daughter, falling in love with sahir. n marriage is not a small thing that u will be ready easiily looking at the profit, dnt knw why r people blaming her for not agreeing to marry with sahir for an imp. business deal.
Edited by MannuLovesMaan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: VD927

I actually found today's episode fascinating.

I was reminded of a line from the movie 'Memoirs of a Geisha' :
"My mother always said my sister Satsu was like wood; as rooted to the earth as a sakura tree. But she told me I was like water. Water can carve its way even through stone...and when trapped, water makes a new path..."
VD you have written an excellent post👏👏 and I loved your metaphor of wood and water. Very nice 😊
And incidentally Soaps1, Pearly and MarathiMulgi have more or less pointed out my thoughts on this post but nonetheless, I too shall add to the 'discussion'. 😆
All I can say to the above is - Bamboo Bamboo... Be like the bamboo and you will grow tall and live long. Growing up my grandpa used to walk me through these fields bordered by these tall bamboo shoots and he used to tell me that these look frail but are stronger than the sturdiest trees out there cause while a typhoon could knock a tree down, it won't be able to harm the bamboo. Cause the bamboo bends and with the strong winds and then straightens up when it can.
I won't compare Sahir to water, but he is definitely becoming more flexible since the story started. Arzoo has become more and more rigid in her point of views and thoughts, actions and speech. Sigh!😭
Yesterday she learnt a very important lesson. It was reality check of the worst and harshest kind. In my opinion, this is worse than the heartbreak cause it is from her family - the family she is so proud of, the family that she keeps doing everything for. But then this is me.
I also feel that it is so wrong of Arzoo's family to expect her to do everything for them. And when they do do something (Nausheen borrowing money) they end up creating more problems. But in a way Arzoo did encourage all of them to become dependent on her.
In her high-handed, I-know-what-is-best manner she has made her problems worse by first taking on the pregnancy blame and then agreeing to marry Zaki on the rebound. She may just as well have hung a board around her neck saying "I am a fool, martyr and victim. Kick me when I am down."
when she needs to speak, she has kept quiet. When she needs to keep quiet, she speaks endlessly. When she should have sat still and thought, she will jump from one life-changing decision to another. When she should let go and allow her sister an opportunity to be an adult, she digs in her heels.
At every single point of time - she had a choice. And her ego has caused her to make the wrong call more often than not. Her initial actions may have been rooted in love and affection, but her head strong attitude meant she only saw what she wanted to see and not the reality of what other's (Alvira, Sahir, Zaki and her own family and Farah) wanted or felt or thought about her or her actions and words.
The word you used to describe her - self-righteous - is spot on. And she has still not turned the focus on to herself. It is all still Sahir's fault 😲
Sahir's journey towards a peaceful, balanced middle path has begun, but Arzoo's is far from begun. She doesn't even realise that she needs to change tracks. No strike that. She realises she needs to change but she has changed in the wrong direction.
Her problems are not her principles, or her sense of justice. Her heart is in the right place. But her ego needs to be brought a bit under control so that she can grow more mature and wiser and truly kinder.
Sorry VD... long reply. I think I should stop analyzing and criticizing Arzoo. I have been doing it too often. But must say that in yesterday's epi, I felt really bad for her when she sees and hears her sisters. Shivya did a fab job. The hurt and disillusionment was fabulously done.

Edited by Junoonian - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: Junoonian


@MarathiMulgi - so so true. Beggars can't be choosers and Arzoo please walk the talk.
She has these high ideals... on paper. when it comes to living it out, she and her family are happy to compromise on their value system and bend and mold it as they please - nothing wrong with that. But then don't pretend to be the high priestess of all that is right and just. Accept that life sucks, your family sucks, your luck sucks, your decisions suck and therefore you are going to do something about it and then do it and stop cribbing and blaming the world for everything. In other words Arzoo... don't grow bitter... grow wiser. Just grow up.


So true 👏👏👏 Actually the whole plot sucks save for SAC, he is the only saving grace of HS.
The problem with Arzoo is that she refuses to listen to anybody, takes every decision on her own, The decision of fake preg was entirely hers, Zaki just played along. She was the one who decided to marry Zaki to spite Sahir, did she ask her mother and sisters about it ? Did she even ask Alvira if she was ok, though she knew that Alvira always wanted her to be Sahir's bride.. No she decided on the spot and expected others to just nod their heads in acquiescence. When she told Farah that she would pay back her money, did she know where she would get it from ? Did she let zara talk when she came in with her cheque initially ? Nope nada.

Now she is angry because no one has supported her in her decision and everyone seems selfish. I don;t think they would have even left with her without a protest had she asked them to leave with her. She had made some bad decisions but instead of accepting them if she points a gun at Sahir, to tell him that he is the root cause of it all, it is in my opinion, highly irrational behavior and probably a sign of an impending nervous breakdown.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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VD...long discussion...and i agree totally to all pro sahir posts
yes i am biased...reason...sahir is the only character in the show who makes sense...

he does not believe in preaching...
he does what he thinks is right...coz...he has to feed..not only his own...but aarzoo's family too

u wanna know his only mistake?
he fell in love with the wrong women

will not talk anything abt aarzoo...coz sahir loves her...and sahir ka pyaar...sar aankho par

waise...just one word of advise for aarzoo...those who know how to bend...survive the biggest storms...
we all have certain rules and ideals set for ourselves...but...there r situations where u need to bend a bit...to get ur way out...

ever seen a tree...standing proud and tall...trying to brave a storm?
it gets uprooted...
only the ones who bend a bit with the flow of the wind...but have the strength and belief in themselves to pull back themselves...survive...


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Posted: 10 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: pearly14


Not really Megha , if you actually read every post, you will see that everyone here is actually asking her to move out of his house. No one is compelling her to stay. On what principle can you stay in another man's house with your family ?


Pearly..you took the words out of my mouth...or should I say fingers?😆

Principles cannot be upheld when it's convenient for you to do so alone...if she is indeed self respecting she should have moved out of that house long ago...staying in someone's house for free and lecturing him on being money minded is not the sign of a principled person!
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Originally posted by: VD927

I actually found today's episode fascinating.

I was reminded of a line from the movie 'Memoirs of a Geisha' :
"My mother always said my sister Satsu was like wood; as rooted to the earth as a sakura tree. But she told me I was like water. Water can carve its way even through stone...and when trapped, water makes a new path..."

To put it in context, the mother was explaining that your sister is set in her ways and unable to adapt, but you will always find a way out of any situation.

Arzoo is like wood and Sahir is like water, and today Arzoo had to pay the price for being unbending, unadaptable and too obstinate with regards principles to see what was going on around her.

She reminds me of how the elders of families are many times represented. Stuck in old traditions and strict principles which they force down the throats of the family, unable to accept the unhappiness and damage they are causing..unable to see that the world has changed and they should learn to adapt as well.

Lets look at the issues we have:

Nausheen - she has no income, no house and bad health. She is living with her entire family under Sahir's roof with nowhere to go. She still has the responsibility for Myra's education. Time is ticking and everyday its killing her that she is unable to provide a roof over her head for her family. Arzoo keeps telling her that she will provide everything, but apart from words, Arzoo has been unable to do anything.

Zara - has spent her life living under the shadow of her 'Mother Theresa' elder sister. She wants to help her family, but Arzoo on several occasions has belittled Zara, dismissing her opinions, dismissing her offers of help. Treating her like a kid. Whenever Zara has found solutions, Arzoo's given her a Mother Theresa lecture and put her down. Not really making any effort in trying to understand Zara's perspective.

Myra - Myra probably spends the most amount of time with her mother. Everyday she sees her mother worrying about their future. The fact is, they don't have somewhere to live and there is no money for her education. How do they solve these issues?

Alvira - Since her lecture to Arzoo last week on how she has expected Arzoo to understand Sahir, to help heal and love him, we haven't had a peep out of Alvira. She feels that the girl she had so much faith in has let her down. Her respect for Arzoo has diminished. Particularly after Arzoo accepted Zaki's marriage proposal. She can't understand how Arzoo can't see the love Sahir has for her, why she hasn't questioned his behaviour. May be she wasn't the right girl. May be she didn't love him enough?

Sahir - Whatever Sahir may have said/done, the fact of the matter is that if this deal isn't completed, Sahir loses everything...including the roof currently over Arzoo's families head. This is serious stuff. Its a matter of survival at this point. But at no point has Sahir been able to reason with Arzoo, her mind is so clouded by her principles how money doesn't matter, she is unable to appreciate the seriousness of the situation. Money does matter, ask any homeless person Arzoo (try your family for starters). If she did, she would have put all differences aside and tried to help Sahir figure out a solution.

Zaki - Call it naivety or the result of taking things at face value only, Arzoo was unable to see the feelings Zaki was developing for her. Furthermore, being Arzoo, her friendship had to be unconditional and unfaltering so when he confesses his love, starts pushing her for marriage, she doesn't feel its right to push back at all, further leading Zaki up the garden path. And she doesn't question his pushiness or lack of support in overcoming her heartbreak either. It goes against her mother theresa principles.

So today's episode was all about the collateral damage created by Arzoo's unbending principles about life and relationships. Each person listed above have issues/problems and Arzoo is not actually able to help solve/see any of them. Why? Because she is like wood, so deep rooted in her belief system, she refuses to see that in life, you need to learn to bend a little, to see the grey, to feel empathy for someone else's situation, to accept the fact that not everyone lives by the rules you set for yourself and nor should they.

As Sahir tells her, open your eyes and you will see the reality in front of you. Although Sahir's examples were based on his own unfortunate experiences, it was 100 times more realistic than Arzoo's view of the world. Even her parting words to him were so childish. The guy is telling you that if the deal isn't closed, he is going to go bankrupt and lose everything and all you have to say is to hell with you and your business?

And the money to Farah? Where exactly does she think this was going to come from? If Nausheen hadn't taken the money from Sahir where would it have come from in 24hrs? Arzoo was quick to say, don't take the money, but are you providing your family with any alternative solutions Arzoo? And that is where Myra's words to Arzoo kicked in. Zara's words were the same. Everyone is trying to send Arzoo a message. Your principles are great and you indeed belong on the pedestal of self-righteousness, but what has that got us? We are still penniless, we still don't have a home and we are still insulted day in day out. And the only thing they perhaps did have, 'izzat', that is also now lost with Arzoo's acceptance and then breaking of marriage to Zaki giving Farah plenty of ammunition to destroy any sense of respect they may have had for themselves.

And after all of this, the irony is, Arzoo still doesn't get it. All her guns are now pointed at Sahir who she wholly blames for the situation she is in.

Lucky for her, she has been fortunate enough to have secured the love of Mr Sahir Azeem Chaudary, who is like water and will certainly figure out a way of getting her out of this mess. I feel Arzoo will go from one extreme to another, finally settling peacefully, somewhere in between, where she will find the happiness she has been searching for.
And Sahir too, who is also at one extreme, in trying to bring Arzoo to a middle ground, will also find himself there as well.

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What an absolutely brilliant post...wow you should join the HS scriptwriting and direction team ASAP
Lived the water wood connection...so very apt...thank you

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