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Posted: 10 years ago
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Oh gosh what a lot of debate whilst I was sleeping! Lovely to read all your comments, whether they are in agreement or not!! πŸ˜† ...thank you all so much for your detailed comments. I am not sure if I will be able to get back you all on all your points but wanted to say that I actually do understand everyone's interpretations, because this is all about interpretation...they is not necessarily a right or wrong view! :-)

At the end of the day, this is fiction(as Junoonian very rightly reminded us in her post) Just the same way feeling like u have no choice but to threaten to burn someone's family and force them to marry you, you also will have the an alternative to marrying a married man.

But this wouldn't make for a compelling story would it? This is a story about extremes.

Most of us are pretty lucky to never have to deal with extreme circumstances. But what would you do if you did? What would you really really do? I'm a vegetarian and I am reminded of as a kid, at school, I used to get asked alot, 'if you were stuck on an island and the only food available were animals, what would you do'...of course I used to say that this is an absurd question as on an island I would probably have fruit available and the likelihood of me ever getting stuck was slim, but my friends would push and say come on, imagine if you were in that situation, what would you do??? And I always used to say, die of course!! I would never ever eat meat!! πŸ˜† , now many years later...if I think of this question, my actual answer is, in such an extreme situation, as a normal human being with the fundamental urge to survive, I probably would eat whatever was available...

But this thought process comes with maturity, pragmatism, bring realistic. My point on unbending principles, is that it is good to have the moral high ground, and indeed admirable. We all should be like this. But sometimes life's circumstances are such that you may have to be flexible if it's a matter of survival.

If you think about the classic movie 'Deewar', it shows this as well. Amitabhs character is all grey. Did he really have to turn to stealing? His brother and mother certainly didn't think so, but in his mind he was justified and couldn't understanc why they didn't see it. He then goes to God and chides h for putting him in this extreme circumstance which made him take extreme decisions. Whichever point of view you agree with, the film makes for compelling viewing. It's a story about someone who made certain decisions (right or wrong)

And we have the same here.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Rojaa-

You are right about how principles needs to be compromised at times owing to the materialistic world we live in.

But with due respect to you, I disagree with most of the other points.

Disclaimer : I'm a neutral viewer. My post is on this particular situation of the current track of the show, not a general view on principles.i apologize n advance for the typos.

First of all, Arzoo is paying the price but not for her unbending principles. In fact her idealistic vision has done few good things for her, SAC himself said " I respect you for being what you are" and he even admired her for being fearless as she fought against the bad, remember their confrontation during the pregnancy drama where Sac questioned her "are you the same girl who fought for anything that is wrong" ?

Now coming to what she is paying for :

She is paying the price of being the daughter of Nausheen.

*price of being the elder sister to two selfish girls, one of them want Arzoo to get married to a guy who apparently is the father of an illegitimate child so that the debt becoz of her education can be paid off.

*price of being the elder child and the breadwinner of her family. The girl can easily walk off abandoning her family but she won't! Becoz there is still some goodness in this world, there are is still humanity in this world. Not everyone can be self-centered, there are still people who genuinely care for their family and have strong emotions.

*price of falling in love, that too with SAC. Again she was emotionally blackmailed to confess her love when she tried to reason and run away from anything that might hurt her.

*price of Sahir being obsessed with her.

List is too long. And I don't agree that Arzoo has been unable to do anything. She has been the breadwinner of the family ( along with Nausheen if I'm not wrong ) but now in this situation she has to arrange a big amount, that too becoz of her mothers stupidity and betrayal to her. Had Nausheen told about Myra's admission fees, Arzoo could have asked for a loan right ? But no Nausheen hid things from her. Now Arzoo has to take responsibility for her mother's fault. Where did Arzoo's principles come in between ?

Coming to Sahir, he is the one who put everything at stake, why should others take responsibility for what he does ? Sahir is entirely wrong in this ! One fine day he decides he wants to fulfill the promise he made to his comatose wife, so everyone shoud dance to his tunes ? Marry him even though he is an already married man ?

For me Arzoo is paying the price for being Nausheen Sarfaraz Sheik's daughter , from now on she will pay the price of being SAC's second wife !

I apologize for the long post, just wanted to share my opinion.




You deserve a round of a plause! Agreed point to point! πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘πŸ‘
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Posted: 10 years ago
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A big πŸ€—from me for such a wonderful post VD sweetheart.
Memoirs of a Geisha is one of my favorite books and the quote you have used, describes the leads so aptly. I had decided not to comment on yesterday's episode as my disconnect with Arzoo is complete and her behavior has become unfathomable to me. But as usual your post made me reflect and your description of the helplessness of her family reminded me of the stories that I hear everyday as I volunteer with a NGO that deals with domestic violence.
I agree with most of your points and will respond back with, what else, a big post, πŸ˜† in some time.

Edited by true2heart - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: VD927

Oh gosh what a lot of debate whilst I was sleeping! Lovely to read all your comments, whether they are in agreement or not!! πŸ˜† ...thank you all so much for your detailed comments. I am not sure if I will be able to get back you all on all your points but wanted to say that I actually do understand everyone's interpretations, because this is all about interpretation...they is not necessarily a right or wrong view! :-)

At the end of the day, this is fiction(as Junoonian very rightly reminded us in her post) Just the same way feeling like u have no choice but to threaten to burn someone's family and force them to marry you, you also will have the an alternative to marrying a married man.

But this wouldn't make for a compelling story would it? This is a story about extremes.

Most of us are pretty lucky to never have to deal with extreme circumstances. But what would you do if you did? What would you really really do? I'm a vegetarian and I am reminded of as a kid, at school, I used to get asked alot, 'if you were stuck on an island and the only food available were animals, what would you do'...of course I used to say that this is an absurd question as on an island I would probably have fruit available and the likelihood of me ever getting stuck was slim, but my friends would push and say come on, imagine if you were in that situation, what would you do??? And I always used to say, die of course!! I would never ever eat meat!! πŸ˜† , now many years later...if I think of this question, my actual answer is, in such an extreme situation, as a normal human being with the fundamental urge to survive, I probably would eat whatever was available...

Lol.. when I tell people I am a vegan thats the second question I am always asked. I usually tell them firstly the question itself is wrong, and secondly that I would eat whatever the herbivores were eating there to survive. N yeah it is an absurd question specially when I get asked that while standing in a supermarket with abundance of fruits and veggies hanging out from all the corners. πŸ˜†
The human race has survived due to its strong survival instincts and in extreme situations we always make a choice to survive first and protect our moral ground later.

But this thought process comes with maturity, pragmatism, bring realistic. My point on unbending principles, is that it is good to have the moral high ground, and indeed admirable. We all should be like this. But sometimes life's circumstances are such that you may have to be flexible if it's a matter of survival.

My granny always used to say that the trees that don't bend get the most beating and get uprooted when the storm hits but the ones that bend along with the wind usually survive. 😊 Life is about moulding and adjusting, it is ok to be weak once in a while to emerge strong.

If you think about the classic movie 'Deewar', it shows this as well. Amitabhs character is all grey. Did he really have to turn to stealing? His brother and mother certainly didn't think so, but in his mind he was justified and couldn't understanc why they didn't see it. He then goes to God and chides h for putting him in this extreme circumstance which made him take extreme decisions. Whichever point of view you agree with, the film makes for compelling viewing. It's a story about someone who made certain decisions (right or wrong)

And we have the same here.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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VD927... All I can say...beautiful post !
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks for sharing your analysis on the characters. I agree with you however, Sahir too needs to let go of things. That deal is the 1st thing he needs to start distancing himself from. His day starts and ends with that deal.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: true2heart

A bigπŸ€—from me for such a wonderful post VD sweetheart.

Memoirs of a Geisha is one of my favorite books and the quote you have used, describes the leads so aptly. I had decided not to comment on yesterday's episode as my disconnect with Arzoo is complete and her behavior has become unfathomable to me. But as usual your post made me reflect and your description of the helplessness of her family reminded me of the stories that I hear everyday as I volunteer with a NGO that deals with domestic violence.
I agree with most of your points and will respond back with, what else, a big post,πŸ˜†in some time.




Hey there - glad you liked it. I value your opinion a lot! 😊 ...I think to clarify though, I still have a disconnect with Arzoo if I just look at what we are shown. I feel bad for her, but I don't empathise. This post was more me trying to rationalise her behaviour and justify everyones perspectives. There was a lot of interpretation required, hence the spectrum of opinions. As u have mentioned many times, with Sahir we get to see his inner debate, with her we don't. Hence we connect to him better even though he is so wicked!! Some self thoughts like "no matter what Sahir has done, I shouldn't forget that he still houses my family, still provides me with an income but I can't help but hate him for lying to me' or 'I should send the family back to Lucknow where I would be able to afford to house them but I dont think I earn enough to provide everything"...something like that...it would help remove the ambiguity. Right now all we get from her is self pity. She isn't able to rationalise her situation. Her family is as much to blame for the current situation and there were decisions she made like impulsively saying yes to marry Zaki which have made matters worse.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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VD hugs to you for the great post πŸ€—
You have made some excellent points and I agree with you on most on them.But I also want to add that Aarzoo is not just paying the price for her principles, but she is also paying a price for her unwillingness to learn from others and this is not the first time.
Remember the challenge where she had to sell clothes in the mall ? Isn't that enough for her to understand how the world works ? That Sahir has more worldly experience than she does ? In my language we have a saying that a good cow needs only one beating.

The way her family reacted to her yesterday is precisely what Sahir wanted to save her from. He knows that if there is a need for money everybody's masks will go away and Aarzoo will have to see their true faces. This is the naqab he keeps talking about all the time, but he knows she cannot be bought with money.

Thats what he has probably been through. I am very sure, he would have been just like Aarzoo at a point of time but he has learnt the hard way and he did not want her to go through the same. After seeing everyone's true faces , Aarzoo now will have to put on mask just like Sahir has, to deal with those around her, to understand that she may be idealistic but not even her family will support her ideals if the choice is her or money.
Edited by pearly14 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Rubbish. Can't believe so many people believe that arzoo is wrong for being a person of principles. Really? What has become of the world ? She is actually paying the price of being the selfless daughter of the selfish mother and the sister of the selfish sisters. How on earth can any sane girl with values marry a man with already a wife and no divorce. But then in today's world girls might be doing it for money. Amen. Sorry don't agree with your post.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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[its ok to be weak once in a while to emerge strong]

You have hit the nail on the head with this line! I think that's exactly the lesson Arzoo needs to learn. I'm not saying she should forget all her principles and become an immoral human. But there are times, we must adapt to the situation. Arzoo is actually a great human being but needs to have a more pragmatic approach to life.

Great post!!! Loved your comments!!

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