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Posted: 13 years ago
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I was in two minds about writing anything about today's episode, but in the end I am posting this, if only as advance intimation to those 10 hours behind Indian Standard Time.

1) Everything except the little segment between Arjun and Ovi could have been predicted in advance by any of us, given Archana's determined masochism. She not only returns to the Deshmukh chawl with Manav, disregarding her mother's vociferous opposition, but declares, with a face like an early Christian martyr, that she would put up with all of Savita's insults, as 3 months would soon pass.

Worse is to come. When Manav, in the car driving to the Deshmukh chawl, assures Archana that he would make sure his mother behaved properly with her as long as she lived with them ( a statement that boggles the imagination,but let that pass; after all, it is the thought that counts!), she actually tells him not to interfere between her and his mother, as abusing her (Archana) helps Savita let off steam and thus feel better. Enough said, don't you agree !.

2) Purvi is just as irritating in a different way. She stares gooey-eyed at her baba and clings to his arm like a teenager till she is sharply called to order by Sulochana. Later, she is unfazed, and insists that whatever Manav might have failed to do for Archana 18 years ago, now he was standing up for her and he had come to fetch her as she (Purvi) had known he would. The rest of her effusions can be predicted easily: in 3 months, her aai and baba would be together with their whole family; her faith that Bappa wpuld reward Archana's goodness (after having forgotten all about her for 18+ years!) would prevail against her aaji's pessimism. One feels like clouting her with the nearest blunt instrument.

The curious thing in all this is that Purvi hardly seems to be mourning the loss of her relationship with Arjun any more. She seemed quite at ease and not particularly hassled in the office yesterday, and today she seems genuinely cheerful, planning a movie session with her aai and aaji. It does not look like a pretence; she used to look so woebegone in the days after the Arjun-Ovi engagement.There is none of that visible sadness now; quite the opposite, she seems normal.

3) We need not waste any time on Sachin and Vandana and Savita. Coming to Arjun, what he says - when Ovi bemoans is absence, saying that it would have been very nice if he had also come to Goa - goes as follows, as near verbatim as I can remember it "Mera kaam kuch aisa hai ki main chah kar bhi aa nahin saka.. Unfortunately!' and here he laughs briefly.

It is exactly like what he said in the car episode (when Ovi wanted him to spend much more time with her once Purvi took care of all the work),. "Ya.. of course!"

This time too, he should have kept quiet, or at the most said that he had a lot of work. What he actually says makes no sense at all if he is going to break up with Ovi soon, for it sounds as if he is quite comfortable with her and their engagement. Of course when she babbles on about their honeymoon, he says nothing at all, but that does not retrieve the lost ground, does it?

This is NOT to say that he would have gone to Goa if he could. He would never have done any such thing. That is NOT the point.

The point is that he should not utter these meaningless pleasantries as if God was in her Heaven and all was right with the world. There is none of the aloofness and distant behaviour that one would expect of him in the present circumstances. How does what he said today jell with his begging Purvi yesterday "Don't do this to me!"? It doesn't.

As I told Trish after the car episode, it is very bad scripting and very bad character development. I do not know WHAT to make of Arjun Kirloskar these days, and I am not surprised that poor Rithwik has availed of the first opportunity to run away from this mess, even if only for a few days!

Folks, PR is now literally in the doldrums. As you would all know, the origin of that expression was linked to those parts of the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans where sailing ships used to be becalmed for weeks on end in the old days, unable to move in any direction because the winds cancelled each other out and there was no propelling force at all.

The parallel with PR is exact. Even if 4 more weeks were to pass, nothing would have changed. Manav would still be staring helplessly as Savita rants at Archana. Archana would continue to look a crucified early Christian saint, shedding photogenic tears (luckily for her, she, unlike Purvi, can manage to look very pretty even when she weeps buckets of tears). Purvi would still be dreaming of her aai and baba getting together. Ovi's case would still be in a limbo, and Arjun would still be dithering in the most inane and exasperating manner with both Ovi and Purvi. I do not know where DK, who seems to have dropped off the radar, would be or what he would be up to.

One possible dramatic development: Sulochana is planning to tell Teju and Ovi that Archana is their mother, largely to beat Savita to it. Expect fireworks all the way from Goa, if she chooses to do this over the phone. Now that would be something to beat the doldrums!


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Shyamala: As usual a very insightful and delightful write-up. We, at the forum, really look forward to all your analytical and well written posts. Wish I could write half as well as you. Thanks again for keeping the Pavitra Rishta forum going so well.
As for the show itself the less I talk about it the better.
Again, well-done and keep it coming, my dear
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Posted: 13 years ago
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You know Shyamala, I think you may be right my friend. There doesnt seem to be any rhyme or reason in the way the script is laid out. I was going to give a logical analysis but I have come to the conclusion that there isnt any logic here. The irony is that in bringing up the car episode, and then with today's Arjun/Ovi phone conversation, you have actually lifted my spirits and allowed me to use this to give my friends in the forum and fellow ARVI fans hope.
The fact that there is no logic to the scripts and the characterizations are poorly done is the hope for ARVI fans. We have to just instead rely on the facts. So this is what I want you guys to do because this is the only way to get through the next 2-4 weeks:
And they are as follows: 1) ARVI will be together- this is a given. How they will reunite, in what capacity, and in what manner we do not know. 2) Arjun loves Purvi- he does not love Ovi. This is a fact. No matter how ridiculous his actions are with either of them, this still remains the fact and crux of the story. Leave out the emotions as well as his stupid interaction with Ovi during both car episode and today. He does not love Ovi. Leave it at that. 3) As Shyamala said- forget what he said to Ovi in response to her question about Goa. He would never have gone even if he could have. That is a fact.
The reason I am asking you all to overlook these things is because I have come to the conclusion that the CVs are intentionally dragging this out. Shyamala is right- they are trying to keep this static until they get the characters they are anticipating to enter and can then employ some dramatic twists. They are trying to show a balance between Purvi and Ovi but they are incapable of doing it. I truly believe this. Like I said, I dont think its because Arjun has suddenly moved on from Purvi and has started to fall in love with Ovi and is planning on riding off into the sunset (or hopping an Air Canada flight with her). Thats not where this is headed.
Some of you have said the CVs are messing with our emotions. This is also a fact. They are. But I truly believe it is because they truly do not know how to strike that balance. They want to keep the track stagnant until they start to turn ARVI onto the positive track (which has to be when Soham comes back- why is beyond me- but apparently thats what we will find out I guess). However, I have come to the conclusion that they really dont know how to do that. Hence the car episode and today.
After the car episode, we saw another ARVI office scene with Arjun trying to tell Purvi he is going to set everything right, and just yesterday we saw him asking Purvi how long the distance between them would be. In terms of his interaction with OVI, including the PDAs- it is highly offensive, ridiculous, and irritating to distraction- but it is being done because I truly believe the CVs dont know how else to do it. They need to keep the Ovi cliffhanger, but the ARVI jodi chemistry/attraction is so strong that the minute Arjun starts turning cold to Ovi, that carrot is gone. If they want to keep the triangle going, they cannot risk Arjun's indifference to her- otherwise nobody would take her seriously (as if we are right now), and they might as well not even have her around in the first place. In order for her to remain a viable threat, and to keep the misunderstanding going, they have to resort to scenes like this. For some reason, in their minds, they seem to believe that separating such a powerfully charismatic couple and then bringing them back together is their trump card and ticket to the TRPs they want. And you know what??? Actually, they are right.
From the gist of things, they did attract a large fan base with ARVI- no doubt about it. They believe that once they reunite ARVI the TRPs will skyrocket and are taking this for granted.
However, I do want to point something out here in case the PR Creative Team, or any of the actors, or anyone associated with the show, actually read this forum. You are actually playing a very dangerous game here. Yes- we want to see ARVI reunite. But everyone has a limit to what they can tolerate. As Shyamala pointed out, we are now seeing Purvi starting to emotionally detach from Arjun- she is not miserable, feeling lost without him- in fact, from her behavior now- if I didnt know the storyline, I would say she is not even in love with him. Arjun flipping so much between the 2 of them- you have made the situation such that ARVI fans are not sure what his feelings are either. This is where you are going wrong. Its one thing to have a separation and misunderstanding- if you must have it for the story to continue, so be it. But at the same time, you do have to show these 2 lovers longing for each other. Though they are apart, and Purvi is very angry with him, and Arjun is helpless, majboori, or whatever- you have to keep the feelings strong. Thats where the attraction of this couple is. The smoldering chemistry, sexual tension, constantly thinking about each other- thats what you have to portray.
An indifferent Purvi, and an Arjun who seems to be learning to also exist without Purvi and is able to give that kind of attention/comfort to Ovi, even if it is to help her as a friend, does not seem like a couple in love with each other. This is the sentence that expresses every word of all the posts regarding ARVI in this forum and sums up the situation entirely. Misunderstanding, anger, hurt pain, etc, are painful to see but if it has to be then it has to be. However, you MUST keep them in love with each other because an emotionless couple that doesnt seem to have that burning need for each other any more becomes just like any other Tom, Dick, and Harry- and before you know it, they have faded into obscurity and are no more attractive than Savita Aai.
To sum it all up, my advice to the PR Creative team is this- never, ever allow indifference to set in- because indifference is actually far worse than anger or hate or pain. Those are still powerful emotions for people to feel for each other- especially in love. Indifference though- that is actually the best way to destroy a love story. My suggestion is simple. Save this tactic for when Arjun/Ovi has to come to an end- thats when you will need it. Arjun's gradual coldness/indifference towards Ovi's feelings will be the perfect way for this part to end. Do not employ it with Purvi. It is hard enough to gradually show hate/anger turning into love. It is nearly impossible to turn an utter lack of emotion into a situation where the person starts feeling again- and that too something so powerful as being in love. It is hard to believe Arjun is the same person from before- the months building up where he couldnt take his eyes off Purvi, and the confession scenes. So CVs drag the story out for a few more weeks if need me, keep the stagnation- but know that you must keep the simple part of the whole thing- Arjun and Purvi are in love with each other. The situation is bad- but the feelings should not be. The minute this changes the whole thing is over. Definitely be careful going forward before you butcher this to a point beyond repair because- and this is from a purely logical standpoint- you are treading on some very thin ice here.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala
After reading your thoughts on todays episode and since both of our views differed so much (as you have already read in the other thread), I didn't understand if whatever I write would make any sense.

But after reading Archana's thoughts I do want to write my opinion.

Archana,
To a large extent I agree to what you have written, except on 2 counts - 1. On Arjun and 2. On Purvi, not much but to a certain extent.

1. Purvi - I did not feel it was her indifference. She was trying to cheer her mother and grandmother up sincerely. And when she did that, she did not wanted to bring her own pain into the picture. She wanted to set it aside for sometime.
Just a day back Archana is shown crying after Savita's harrasment and Sulo's health worsens. She tells Purvi, "let whatever happen to my life but my 3 daughters should have a good life". Purvi is left shown thinking with those words.
So, whatever Purvi did today was just what she learnt from Archana - keep your pain private but try to make other's happy. But I agree they should've also shown the part with her pain as well, like they had been doing in the past episodes which made her characterization look consistent, but I have to overlook it with the excuse that they had lot of other stuff to add into the episode and did not wanted to add that part. Maybe they will show it in the later episode.
As far her behaviour with Arjun in the office in yday's episode, it did not look like she has moved on. When he asks "if this is what is going to be between us .. this distance?", Like always, she says "it is a choice you have made". Clearly that means somewhere she still is hopeful about him but she doesn't want to show that to him. She always puts the blame on him and rightly so, bcos he is the one who kept telling that he will disclose and now he has made a choice of not disclosing.

2. Arjun - I really did not feel that he is getting comfortable with Ovi at all. When the phone rings, he checks who the call is from, you can see he makes a face which tells he is readying his mind for the pretense. But he cannot ignore the call, he has to take it. When she asks "how are you?", he is glad he is not there anywhere near her and trying to sound as cool as possible with a "Fantastic", again with a twitch of the lips, knowingly well that he is lying. Further in an effort to converse, so as to pretend that he doesn't have any issues with her, asks, "How is your Goa trip?". Later when she says "I wish you were here", he seems to have mastered the craft of lying and more so since she is miles away in Goa, he uses his usual excuse of his work. You can see with the way he drags the sentence, with eyes closed, thinking, rubbing the nose, he seems to be calculating how much of that lie is enough and at the end adds "unfortunately" to make it all look convincing. Finally the smile at the end was like "I did manage to lie to her so convincingly, didn't I!". Because right next when she says "I forgive all these work execuses for now ...", you can see he is little scared, and further when he hears her say "you can do all you want now" and then starts to talk about her plans on their marriage, he get terrified and realizes that this lie is not working. When she further continues about Honeymoon plans, he stops unable to say anything and fortunately for him Teju interrupts their conversation.

I do see that he is putting extra effort to keep the truth about him and Purvi from Ovi, but that is all the CVs seems to have planned for now.
Actually speaking the so-called excuse that they are using to keep Arjun from telling the truth to Ovi no excuse at all. These are people belonging to today's generation who know very well what they want and know how to get it. They also know how to speak their minds out. Given all that, using Ovi's legal issues as a reason for Arjun to not tell looks very lame and also his loyalty towards Ovi and his respect for Ovi because she is his childhood friend looks all misplaced give that he was the one so deeply in love with Purvi that he was ready to give up his business and everything when she was not relenting. He is the one who almost chased her until she accepted.

So this lame excuse is not doing anything, but at the same time they want to bring it all together in a good way, but they aren't able to. They seem to be struggling with it. They want to stall ArVi story but they are also aware that they have brought that story so far that they cannot go back now. They are also aware that certain viewers want to see ArVi and are upset hence they thrown in bit-n-pieces of ArVi scenes with something and anything, earlier with repeat dialogues and now since the repeats have become a joke, they show them with different issues - trying to track the mysterious caller, he busy lying to Ovi, she trying to help her family.

Their TRPs are going low and have gotten an ultimatum. They want to try out if Savita's reentry would help and hence they are trying to concentrate on it more, while they give something with ArVi to keep ArVi fans happy. Like @Archana mentioned, ArVi story is the carrot, they know they can get their TRPs with that, but for the time-being they want to try Savita track.

Since I believe all of the above, I felt today's episode was a sincere attempt in that direction where there was not a single dialogue repeated but they are trying to tell the ArMan story from all angles - Savita-Sachu, Sachu-Vandita, Archana-Manav, Purvi-Sulo, Ovi-Teju in addition to Arjun's issue with Ovi. As I wrote in my other thread, that is the reason why I thought today's episode was a sincere effort and was an wholesome episode, so what if we did not have ArVi scene. ArVi will happen but for now it is stalled.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala, thanks for the thread :(
Read Poppy's update and did not even feel like watching the episode - have lost interest in PR for the time being at least. Awful, if they are making Arjun comfortable with all that lying - Bee explains it away but still awful.
Dropped in to read the posts and say hi to you guys. Cannot believe Archana, it is disgusting.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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What to say Archana...as usual your analyses of PR current situation is mindblowing 👏
The way you explain each and every detail is well done amazingly well done...and you are so right.
From what I see these days in PR, it seems like ArVi have never been in love...if I was to start watching PR from today and seeing ArVi the way they are now, I would have NEVER guessed they are in love and this is the dangerous part the CV's are playing here.
Is this Arjun the same guy who flipped for Purvi...didn't care abt anyone and confessed his love to her...gave her an ultimatum of 24 hrs to decide whether she loved him back or not...who was totally on top of the world when she confessed her love for him ????😕😕
Well...hell NOOO!!!!!it doesn't look the same Arjun to me...what happened to THAT Arjun ????
It has become very difficult to digest Pavitra Rishta these days...no decent Arjun / Purvi scenes...we never see them long for each other like Manav ( Sushant ) used to long for Archana in separation track and ON TOP of it all the EVER SCREAMING SAVITA...totally bore 😡 😡 😡🤢 🤢 🤢
Whenever Savita opens her mouth, I need earplugs...really 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ok Bee...just watched Issa's post of the scene. I am going to comment only on today's scene for now. So here goes: you r right...he is definitely not starting to get comfortable or warming up to Ovi...his reaction really does go from ok to quickly horrified...which is why Ovi herself is worried after putting down the phone and again starts to have doubts.
It's quite obvious that Ovi I definitely feeling more insecure after the phone call and is seriously worried. If Arjun were flipping this would not have been the case. Anything nice he said was simply automatic as pretense.

Let me think a little more about Purvi. Still on the fence on that one. More to come later...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Bee, your explanation is very good, but ArVi seems to be detach, and comfortable without each other is not going well with many ArVi fans including me. I mentioned in a couple of other threads that CV has to show that ArVi are missing being with each-other, and when they are alone they think about each-other a lot. That way we also get to view some nice ArVi scenes.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala, and Archana, excellent posts! Please post them some place where CV and Ekta able to read and act on it. 😍

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Okay, let me clarify to everyone that I am not trying to convince anyone or trying to change people's opinion. I already see that my views do not match the majority and I do not have any issues with it. I am simply stating how I see it. Let each of us have our opinions even if it differs.

Originally posted by: archverma10

Ok Bee...just watched Issa's post of the scene. I am going to comment only on today's scene for now. So here goes: you r right...he is definitely not starting to get comfortable or warming up to Ovi...his reaction really does go from ok to quickly horrified...which is why Ovi herself is worried after putting down the phone and again starts to have doubts.

It's quite obvious that Ovi I definitely feeling more insecure after the phone call and is seriously worried. If Arjun were flipping this would not have been the case. Anything nice he said was simply automatic as pretense.

Let me think a little more about Purvi. Still on the fence on that one. More to come later...



Archana,
I saw the same what you have written now.
But, I didn't understand what you meant by "Anything nice he said was simply automatic as pretense".



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