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Posted: 13 years ago
#31
Hi Shyamala,
Wonderful posts and analysis as usual dear.Your lucid style makes me read your posts again n again.Thank you once again for such wonderful analysis.
I agree to most of your views except for one.I feel the Old CV's even though ditched so much depressing crap but made sure that our Arman always stood firm and their love never vanquished.That missing touch was always there. Even in Arman first divorce track ,if seen on the holistic point of view ,its one of the most pathetic reasons to get divorce (with both the parties agreeing to divorce just for Shravani's life n her baby which is ridiculous to say the least) but one thing that made the audience hooked was the love that CV's portrayed between Arman, Manav was always shown to be telling Shravani that he was always marrying her as just over responsibility and nothing else and Archu is everything to him. As crazy as it sounds ,he always stood firm n so did Archu . Hence in the TRP game ,they kept winning coz CV's showed that love existing always between Arman. In fact I have never seen a male lead cry so much (Manav) equivalent to a female lead . Sushant portrayed it beautifully and they made the Male lead Manav repeatedly miss his Archu so bad and vice-versa that despite the crap being ditched majority of audience were glued to this wonderful pair and wanted them to unite.
Its the build up CV's did for their re-union was the key here.Over a period of 1 year they tortured all Arman fans but they made sure that "missing each other" touch was always there whenever possible even in small scenes.I believe CV's success story for the first 2 years of PR for soaring high TRP's was this.This made sure for a grand re-union with soaring high TRP's.The build up CV's did was the main reason for audience really feeling that Arman needed to be with each other. And after re-union again inspite of crap ditched they made sure they hooked up the audience by taking advantage of the real life chemistry of Sushant n Ankita in reel life and they kept winning the TRP game.
Now in case of Arvi as many pointed out the current CV's instead of keeping Arvi as parallel track ,they have intertwined them within Arman track. CV's according to me have done blunder by showing Arvi totally victimized over the situation and that "missing each other" touch is missing here. Arman faced nightmarish hell back then but the old CV's had that clever thought of making sure that "missing touch" was always there.
Current CV's have done a major blunder by not giving Arvi some time to think about their love life. Arjun is shown too caught in circumstances and all over Ovi and Purvi caught in her Aai - Baba scenario. CV's have not thought of showing scenes where Arjun n Purvi are individually missing each other.I think one way to get TRP;s is if they start showing both of them missing each other on certain situations like Arvi missing each other and remembering each other say when one of them visit Shiv ji temple where it all started I guess.I think unless CV's start doing some justice here for the current generation ,its not going to work. Storyline will always remain crap.The difference is how effectively you use your leads. The current CV's need to take a leap out of old CV's for such scenes and I am sure if missing touch scenes slowly coming up ,then TRP is bound to come up and lot of Arvi fans will be back watching the show. I hope it happens for all Arvi fans sake.😊

Edited by Jaishankar - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: Jaishankar

Hi Shyamala,

Wonderful posts and analysis as usual.Your lucid style makes me read your posts again n again.Thank you once again for such wonderful analysis.
I agree to most of your views except for one.I feel the Old CV's even though ditched so much depressing crap but made sure that our Arman always stood firm and their love never vanquished. Even in Arman first divorce track ,if seen on the holistic point of view ,its one of the most pathetic reasons to get divorce (with both the parties agreeing to divorce just for Shravani's life n her baby) but one thing that made the audience hooked was the love that CV's portrayed between Arman, Manav was always shown to be telling Shravani that he was always marrying her as just over responsibility and nothing else and Archu is everything to him. As crazy as it sounds ,he always stood firm n so did Archu . Hence in the TRP game ,they kept winning coz CV's showed that love existing always between Arman. In fact I have never seen a male lead cry so much (Manav) equivalent to a female lead . Sushant portrayed it beautifully and they made the Male lead Manav repeatedly miss his Archu so bad and vice-versa that despite the crap being ditched majority of audience were glued to this wonderful pair and wanted them to unite.
Its the build up CV's did for their re-union was the key here.Over a period of 1 year they tortured all Arman fans but they made sure that "missing each other" touch was always there whenever possible even in small scenes.I believe CV's success story for the first 2 years of PR for soaring high TRP's was this. And after re-union again inspite of crap ditched they made sure they hooked up the audience by taking advantage of the real life chemistry of Sushant n Ankita in reel life and they kept winning the TRP game.
Now in case of Arvi as many pointed out the current CV's instead of keeping Arvi as parallel track ,they have intertwined them within Arman track. CV's according to me have done blunder by showing Arvi totally victimized over the situation and that "missing each other" touch is missing here. Arman faced nightmarish hell back then but the old CV's had that clever thought of making sure that "missing touch" was always there.
Current CV's have done a major blunder by not giving Arvi some time to think about their love life. Arjun is shown too caught in circumstances and all over Ovi and Purvi caught in her Aai - Baba scenario. CV's have not thought of showing scenes where Arjun n Purvi are individually missing each other.I think one way to get TRP;s is if they start showing both of them missing each other on certain situations like Arvi missing each other and remembering each other say when one of them visit Shiv ji temple where it all started I guess.I think unless CV's start doing some justice here for the current generation ,its not going to work. Storyline will always remain crap.The difference is how effectively you use your leads. The current CV's need to take a leap out of old CV's for such scenes and I am sure if missing touch scenes slowly coming up ,then TRP is bound to come up and lot of Arvi fans will be back watching the show. I hope it happens for all Arvi fans sake.😊

Awesome Post Jai 👏👏👏👏
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Have highlighted in bold. Only someone who has seen Sushita magic earlier on and reasoned in on the magic potion that made their separation track even more watchable ... could have written this. I used to watch their separation track enamored by the extent of Arman's love for each other, pining for one another. I completely am in agreement and this is what makes me a big arvi fan not want to see PR anymore. Arjun and Purvi are just not shown missing each other. Both behave like nothing happened. Arjun is shown allowing Ovi to do whatever she feels like with him. Purvi is not missing him either.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33

You are more than welcome, and thanks a lot for the kind remarks.

Yes, we are fast becoming like the mourners in a Dickens novel, who eat and drink and make merry so that they can forget the dear departed, whose wake they are holding! The dear departed of course being the laash of PR, and in particular the Arjun-Purvi track. It has all been reduced to, no, not tragedy, for that would at least have dignity, but utter and shameful mediocrity.

Shyamala

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The worse PR gets, the juicier and delightful all your various comments get. Most times the comments are more entertaining than the telecasts Thanks much.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: sashashyam


You are more than welcome, and thanks a lot for the kind remarks.

Yes, we are fast becoming like the mourners in a Dickens novel, who eat and drink and make merry so that they can forget the dear departed, whose wake they are holding! The dear departed of course being the laash of PR, and in particular the Arjun-Purvi track. It has all been reduced to, no, not tragedy, for that would at least have dignity, but utter and shameful mediocrity.

Shyamala

Hilarious post Shyamala!! loved in bold!!🤣🤣
Apt words..
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Posted: 13 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: archverma10

Bee...what I meant is that his attempt to be nice...in the sense of "Im fantastic...how is goa...wish I could have come with u...but alas!!! Too much work...etc) I felt was an automatic response...programmed to placate Ovi...perhaps formality is a better word than pretense?


Thanks for the clarification, Archana.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Arch and Bee, whatever excuses you make for Arjun, they are not going to fly, at least not for me, alas!😭



Dear Janhvi,
Can't expect anything when stating a point of view contrary to yours gets termed as "excuse".
Go back and read everything I wrote in this thread about Arjun and tell me where I make an excuse.

Edited by bee5 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37
Dear Jai,

Thanks for being so kind to me!

As for your analysis of PR I and why the central Archana-Manav love track was handled far better there than the Arjun-Purvi track is being handled now, I could not agree with you more. You are spot on.

This apart, there has to be a certain deewanapan in any love story for it to stand out, to resonate with and enrapture the audience. This quality of obsession was there in the Arjun-Purvi track till the engagement ceremony. I still remember the delightfully indiscreet scene in Purvi's office after she has taken over as the new boss, with Arjun kneeling at her feet, both her hands tightly imprisoned in his, promising her, in between kissing her hands and her cheek, that he would always be there for her. And Purvi, normally so introverted and shy in matters of the heart, smiling down at him with her heart in her eyes, heedless of the glass doors and of what any passerby might see. Then again, at the party just before the announcement of the engagement: Purvi twinkles up at Arjun in an unexpected fit of pure mischief, while his face changes from mock exasperation to indulgent amusement.

The magic of these scenes lay in their sense of belonging together completely, of being two halves of a whole. It made one believe that theirs was what the French would have called le grand amour (literally translated, "the great love", but it means much more), something rare and precious, to be guarded with care. Alas, it has been squandered recklessly by the CVs, and today there is but a pale shadow of what once was between them, and between them and us.

There seems to be, as you have pointed out, no sense on either side, at least over the past week, of the gut wrenching anguish and desolation that such an estrangement would have caused. Nowadays, there is not even Aahatein or Hai Rabba played when Arjun and Purvi are together. How can this be, in a love so deep as theirs was? It is a huge blunder on the part of the CVs to have reduced Arjun and Purvi to a standard issue soap opera pairing, in the process destroying what set PR II apart from the other soaps littering TV.

I also agree with your prescription for the CVs to get us back our Arjun-Purvi. Let us hope they pay heed to your wise words.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Jaishankar



Hi Shyamala,

Wonderful posts and analysis as usual dear.Your lucid style makes me read your posts again n again.Thank you once again for such wonderful analysis.

I agree to most of your views except for one.I feel the Old CV's even though ditched so much depressing crap but made sure that our Arman always stood firm and their love never vanquished.That missing touch was always there. Even in Arman first divorce track ,if seen on the holistic point of view ,its one of the most pathetic reasons to get divorce (with both the parties agreeing to divorce just for Shravani's life n her baby which is ridiculous to say the least) but one thing that made the audience hooked was the love that CV's portrayed between Arman, Manav was always shown to be telling Shravani that he was always marrying her as just over responsibility and nothing else and Archu is everything to him. As crazy as it sounds ,he always stood firm n so did Archu . Hence in the TRP game ,they kept winning coz CV's showed that love existing always between Arman. In fact I have never seen a male lead cry so much (Manav) equivalent to a female lead . Sushant portrayed it beautifully and they made the Male lead Manav repeatedly miss his Archu so bad and vice-versa that despite the crap being ditched majority of audience were glued to this wonderful pair and wanted them to unite.
Its the build up CV's did for their re-union was the key here.Over a period of 1 year they tortured all Arman fans but they made sure that "missing each other" touch was always there whenever possible even in small scenes.I believe CV's success story for the first 2 years of PR for soaring high TRP's was this.This made sure for a grand re-union with soaring high TRP's.The build up CV's did was the main reason for audience really feeling that Arman needed to be with each other. And after re-union again inspite of crap ditched they made sure they hooked up the audience by taking advantage of the real life chemistry of Sushant n Ankita in reel life and they kept winning the TRP game.
Now in case of Arvi as many pointed out the current CV's instead of keeping Arvi as parallel track ,they have intertwined them within Arman track. CV's according to me have done blunder by showing Arvi totally victimized over the situation and that "missing each other" touch is missing here. Arman faced nightmarish hell back then but the old CV's had that clever thought of making sure that "missing touch" was always there.
Current CV's have done a major blunder by not giving Arvi some time to think about their love life. Arjun is shown too caught in circumstances and all over Ovi and Purvi caught in her Aai - Baba scenario. CV's have not thought of showing scenes where Arjun n Purvi are individually missing each other.I think one way to get TRP;s is if they start showing both of them missing each other on certain situations like Arvi missing each other and remembering each other say when one of them visit Shiv ji temple where it all started I guess.I think unless CV's start doing some justice here for the current generation ,its not going to work. Storyline will always remain crap.The difference is how effectively you use your leads. The current CV's need to take a leap out of old CV's for such scenes and I am sure if missing touch scenes slowly coming up ,then TRP is bound to come up and lot of Arvi fans will be back watching the show. I hope it happens for all Arvi fans sake.😊

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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Shymala you are welcome my dear. yup I can tell from my experience as a old school Arman/Sushita fan (old school as a fan but young in age though ,Bachelors who is shaping/fine tuning his career 🤣) that the old CV's gave us the opportunity to feel the pain of Arman by showing how much Arman missed each other.The intensity was so deep and the scenes touched everyone's heart.This intensity what got me into PR like many others n to be ardent Arman/Sushita fans.For the first time where in Soaps where male leads dont get much opportunities to express their emotions,Manav character broke those barriers and the emotions portrayed by Manav (Sush) touched so many folks,in fact audience sympathized more with Manav than Archu in the crap scenario ditched.I always felt except for first 6 months of the show ,the PR storyline has been crap . The storyline will remain to be crap but the former CV's used the reel/real chemistry of the lead actors well there and provided them opportunity to portray those emotions. Hence it stuck chord with audience especially those living in chawls of Mumbai - PR was a huge hit among them which brought a different dimension in the TV industry.
The same way when they introduced Arvi ,frankly I think they did not expect it would be such a hit.The actors Asha n RD have done a wonderful job as Arvi that there is a surge of new fan base and now the CV's don't know how to handle it. Its now very important and with recent interview of Asha n RD ,there are positive signs Arvi are coming together again but the imp point here is CV's should provide some build-up so that audience gets a chance to feel their re-union instead of make it all of a sudden n rushed. Hope CV's think n plan it properly.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: bee5


Dear Janhvi,
Can't expect anything when stating a point of view contrary to yours gets termed as "excuse".
Go back and read everything I wrote in this thread about Arjun and tell me where I make an excuse.

Dear Bee, maybe the word reason is what I should have used? instead of excuse? I meant that however leniently one may see Arjun's reasons for behaving the way he does with Ovi, I still think that he could have handled it differently. You and I perhaps have a different perspective on this. I agree with you that the CVs control this and Arjun the character has little say in how the story is played but it disappoints one when the CVs tear up a great story into inconsistent bits, for instance, he took off his ring, still no answer as to why.
To me, Arjun making the extra effort to keep the truth from Ovi doesn't sit right, he can keep the engagement farce for ever long as he wants but as Archana has so eloquently put in her other post, the CVs do need to realize that if ARVI are going to come together as a pair later, we need to see a constant thread holding their story together, their love and pain at being separated, not either of them getting comfortable without each other.
Edited by soapwatcher1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jaishankar

@Shymala you are welcome my dear. yup I can tell from my experience as a old school Arman/Sushita fan (old school as a fan but young in age though ,Bachelors who is shaping/fine tuning his career 🤣) that the old CV's gave us the opportunity to feel the pain of Arman by showing how much Arman missed each other.The intensity was so deep and the scenes touched everyone's heart.This intensity what got me into PR like many others n to be ardent Arman/Sushita fans.For the first time where in Soaps where male leads dont get much opportunities to express their emotions,Manav character broke those barriers and the emotions portrayed by Manav (Sush) touched so many folks,in fact audience sympathized more with Manav than Archu in the crap scenario ditched.I always felt except for first 6 months of the show ,the PR storyline has been crap . The storyline will remain to be crap but the former CV's used the reel/real chemistry of the lead actors well there and provided them opportunity to portray those emotions. Hence it stuck chord with audience especially those living in chawls of Mumbai - PR was a huge hit among them which brought a different dimension in the TV industry.

The same way when they introduced Arvi ,frankly I think they did not expect it would be such a hit.The actors Asha n RD have done a wonderful job as Arvi that there is a surge of new fan base and now the CV's don't know how to handle it. Its now very important and with recent interview of Asha n RD ,there are positive signs Arvi are coming together again but the imp point here is CV's should provide some build-up so that audience gets a chance to feel their re-union instead of make it all of a sudden n rushed. Hope CV's think n plan it properly.

Jai, agree with the entire post whole heartedly but especially with the @ bold.

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