Shaan has a right to be upset - Page 4

Originally posted by: somone999

i don't know who selected them.. Shankar did not lose respect in anyway.. he did not over-react neither he said something wrong, he supported his team and that is what you expect from a captain..

Originally posted by: robaroo

thats what u think but he lost respect - here is how he did it ( may be its not a sin and can be forgiven and forgotten )

- singing twice not appreciable , proving he wants to win at any cost

- backing up neeti and rahul even after the deep mistake to get more points

he committed the mistake of gluttony and thats why so many ppl are against him today - anyways i am sure ppl will forget it , its not a big deal

- thats the problem of the incharge team of MKMM, they should have set proper rules and the amount of time a captain should go on stage.. he wants to win ofcourse! he did not over-step anyone in his urge to win, he simply employed a different strategy for himself.. he does not get the amount of votes that shaan gets, so he has to win the match, and he did not employ any wrong means for that 'at any cost' is a wrong phrase to be used here,, he was very much within the limits of the Rules.
- HR always backs up his team, he shouts he screams,.. so what if shankar supported his team? he wanted the judges to appreciate the fact that rahul covered it up nicely.. and later, he himself apologized to shaan from his side, to which shaan replied that you have no reason to be sorry, there was no mistake from your side.
- again 'gluttony' is strong word for this small support shown by shankar as a captain for his team.

Originally posted by: somone999

- thats the problem of the incharge team of MKMM, they should have set proper rules and the amount of time a captain should go on stage.. he wants to win ofcourse! he did not over-step anyone in his urge to win, he simply employed a different strategy for himself.. he does not get the amount of votes that shaan gets, so he has to win the match, and he did not employ any wrong means for that 'at any cost' is a wrong phrase to be used here,, he was very much within the limits of the Rules.
- HR always backs up his team, he shouts he screams,.. so what if shankar supported his team? he wanted the judges to appreciate the fact that rahul covered it up nicely.. and later, he himself apologized to shaan from his side, to which shaan replied that you have no reason to be sorry, there was no mistake from your side.
- again 'gluttony' is strong word for this small support shown by shankar as a captain for his team.

Originally posted by: robaroo

hmmmm ... i think thats the best agreement this discussion cud have reached ... ok here is final word frm me ... Shankar made some mistakes for sure and thats the reason so many ppl including the ppl in this forum are upset abt it

1) Technically he made no mistake coming twice but thats not the way it shud be , else he can sing all songs and compete with debo , anwesha and shadab and also with chupa rustam - But thats so pathetic and for public it is wrong - You have to sense it dude

2) He did wrong by asking for votes for Neeti and blackmailing the other judges on his face value - Public sensed this too

May be this is not a problem for u , but it is for many ppl and hence this outburst - My next statement wud be u r entitled to ur opinion if u cannot see thru his intentions

As per me until this moment I was having liking for 3 teams shankar , shreya , shaan - cos each are talented and not biased to any teams in any sense - But i felt that an injustice happened to Shaan and that felt bad that it came from a great musician like Shankar

Have a Good Day.

- MKMM team should be asked to device rules first and start the show after it, because its really stupid to discuss something which According to the RULES of the show, is perfectly fine. nothing is wrong dude. Shankar can sing, he is part of his team, he is allowed to do so. It was not pathetic. under the heading 'pathetic' come a lot of things; HR's babbling, Mika's comments, Shaan's aggression, Ameya's wrong behaviour.. all these were pathetic things.
- It is not pathetic to sing for the survival of your team in the competition when you do not have voting back up. See through his POV as well.
- When the performance ended, Shankar was the first one to claim that Neeti forgot the lyrics, he gave his POV and has as much right to give it, as much as Shaan had. He did not 'black-mailed' the judges, he did not force them at all, he just said 1 -2 lines that, you can see the way they beautifully created a moment and did not let it get away or stood blank, but continued with the performance, He wanted the judges to keep this Act Of Confidence In their mind, almost all the captains have done that in their matches, to give their POV after the performance to convince the judges. He did not ask them to give them full marks or anything. 'black-mailed' is definitely nowhere to be seen here from Shankar's side.

- i believe the basic fault lies with MKMM team, they should have pre-programmed the rules.

Originally posted by: t2004sachin

I totally agree, Shaan has all the reasons to be upset...

at least Shankar has to show some maturity in leading his teams, not by singing for his team and making it win...

Originally posted by: somone999

there is no RULE that a captain can not come twice.. he does not get as much votes as the others, so he should win the match to secure his position in the finals.. i do not think there is anything wrong in coming twice... if he had broken any rule then that would have been wrong, but he has not broken any rule, the captain can come any time he likes.. its his decision for his team, everyone wants to win, so whatever strategy a captain adopts for that within the rules, is PERFECTLY fine..

Originally posted by: DMGFan-2b-not2b

No one is talking rules my dear... obviously, no RULE has been broken...but its against the spirit of sportsmanship... if this whole competition is about winning and the Captain has to do that, then why bother with getting any team member to sing at all. The captains can come down and sing all the songs ' they will be given full marks no matter what! That's the shortest route to victory! Lol!

i agree to that dear.. my point, which i have explained in other topics as well, is that the MKMM team is to be held responsible here, why should we blame shankar ji. He has to win because votes don't come for him as much as compared with shaan or shreya. So, this was a strategy which has been rightly applied. A rule should be devised telling everyone that how many times a captain can come to save him team and this would end the future problems as well.
Shankar ji is justified to use to strategy for his team. But MKMM team has to see that why were the rules not made before-hand.

Haha! if the rules had been properly framed, what happened last night could'nt have taken place ...they were not made for exactly this to happen . 😊 😆 😆

Well said my dear, exactly the point I just made... why have other singers at all? And I think the Captains as a joker / wild card is a fantastic idea!

Originally posted by: bebe nanno

2) Rahul, who I didn't know before this programme, is a pretty ordinary singer. HR said it was great performance: I can only say he must have been a million miles away. Rahul didn't reach correct sur many times, and had to resort to under the breath singing to even sound OK: they have been so harsh - perhaps rightly- on other singers from other teams on this regard.
Just in the antara he missed all the beauty of the singing in this song: looks so simple, yet so difficult to pull off because of that very reason. In fact, despite his evidently die-hard fans, I find his singing very forced, he obviously has a lot to learn and spend much more time practising.

As for Rahul, I agree he is an average singer. He's got looks which tends to make up for his singing for his fans at least. As for HR praising him, if you see Rahul's comments, HR and Rahul have a mutual admiration society going! Lol!

Seriously though, and I do not mean this as a bash, the reality is that on this stage Himesh Reshamiya and Mikka are the weakest singers. I haven't heard anything that Himesh has composed or sung that is truly inspirational. I didn't think he was too great with "Give me some sunshine" last weekend... but I admire him for the fact that he's got his pulse on what makes the audience rock and that makes him popular with the audience. So I would take his comments with a fistful of salt!

Originally posted by: bebe nanno

3) The captain coming down skews the competition totally. I don't know who thought of this idea. but if this is the case, just throw out all the singers and lets have a competition between all the judges.
Thought the idea was for all the new singers from reality show to compete, but except for Shaan and Shreya, it seems the others have just used the programme to further their own image. There are a load of others I would have loved to hear more of: Aishwarya, Lakhwinder Wadali, etc. etc.

I couldn't agree more! I remember Raja's outburst about them being restricted to reality shows. This is worse ' not only are they relegated to reality, even there they are not allowed to perform!

Originally posted by: bebe nanno

But then, thats presuming they are actually interested in doing an honest show!! Oh for the first days of sa re ga ma....

I wish they were... look at a HR.. he makes everything an ego issue! I wish they would all not forget that this is a show for the young talented singers... they've all achieved fame and money, maybe it's time to allow the limelight to shift to this young struggling lot!

Originally posted by: somone999

yes i agree with you on this point, that this rule should not be there, but since it is there, so we should respect it, and respect the captains who use this Right.. its NOT UNFAIR to come as captain, as its in the rule book..

secondly, yes shaan was right to be upset, but he should have just told the judges about his opinion, not by creating such a big drama which destroyed the whole mood of the show, this fact was also acknowledged by him at the end, he said he did went over-board with this issue..

it could have been handled nicely and healthily not in such a manner, i was shocked.. but anyways, everything was balanced out, judges gave their own opinion and audience gave theirs.. so i do not consider myself so great, to be able to critcize any of their opinion, because all of them are experainced in their fields.. i loved rahul's singing and enjoyed the performance and that's what matters to me.,