The Swayamvar that Vyasa presented who are in,who won? - Page 4

@ltelidevara - Now that is called clutching at straw. If Karna was allowed, then why not Keechaka? If Karna failed, Krishna and Balarama also did. Anyone with a little common-sense can see how childish and senseless are your points.
BTW, Sahitaa is in page 1195 in my book and I did not find "along with" under "sahita" though it is there under other words beginning with "sah". Well, if it is there in your book, may be you have got a new edition. You yourself have said you are a "obsessed" with Arjuna and ArDi. So we shall continue when you get rid of your obsessions. Until I get obsessed with anyone, I cannot see things through an obsessed eye.


@amrita - Have I not told this before that Karna had Schizophrenia and Dissosiative identity disorder?😆 He would forget often the treatment he got in Rangabhoomi. Similar was the case of all Kshatriyas lived in that era. They all were Ghajinis - had short term memory loss. Draupadi rejected Karna because he was an animal among humans (tiger among men).😆 I wonder why you never got such a simple thing. Now is it better to call someone "animal" or "low-class"? You only decide.😉...Low-class animal, may be.🤣
As for the Kula thing, I can quote Southern and Northern Recensions plus CE, if you wish.That was clearly told as a must criteria of the partcipant. Sutaputra comment is a big time interpolation even without CE.
Now why scholars are silent! See, they have proved Draupadi never got disrobed. But they keep silence when the matter comes to Karna who is said to have ordered disrobing her. If there is no smoke, will there be fire? The answer is proving Karna innocent will make many popular characters despicable, instantaneously. What reason Krishna "says" to kill Karna is what he did in DS. Now what will they do if something proves Karna innocent? They will keep silence or say irrelevent arguments. After all, what matters for everyone are their feelings and imaginations, not reality. If Karna becomes innocent in DS, naturally the arrow will hit Yudhi who asked Draupadi to come weeping before hundreds of men despite her periods and single attire, Bheema whose "actions" spoke volumes than his "words", Arjuna who told "be silent and enjoy the show. This will make us famous" and the spineless twins who kept looking at each other with widely opened jaw!!!! When Karna calls "bandhaki", Karna orders "disrobing", all these will be forgotten and all arrrows will be aimed at him. When they are erased, naturally all arrows instantaneously will reach Pandavas and Krishna. The matter is about the dignity of the greatest woman in epics. So the double-standard-ed scholars will keep mum. Have you ever seen a single person arguing for Karna? No na?
We can disprove Karna's disciple-hood under Drona and prove he had no hand in poisoning Bheema and he did not even know Arjuna before Rangabhoomi. We can disinfect his Asura Vow. We can pull him out of Laksha Griha conspiracy. We can prove he was innocent in Abhimanyu's death. We can prove his innocence in DS. I am not saying this as a joke or a nightmare of some despertate fan. For each of these, there are clear evidences in MB itself. But why all these are snapped at Karna, if you ask, I am yet to find an aswer. I have only began reading the book. All I can say now that he would have been killed even if there had been no Kurukshetra war and Karna himself knew it very well. We still don't know what is so mysterious about Karna. There is a section in Ashramavasika Parva which narrates Kunti indirectly telling Vyasa to keep Karna's mystery intact which was Karna's wish too, to which Vyasa positively replied. I am sure that mystery is hidden somewhere in the book but our intelligence is not yet grown enough to decipher it.
Hope you don't mind asking more in PM. I am yet to learn treating OCD.😉

@amrita - One more thing. Psychologically, if you prove something good as something bad, people with instantaneously accept it, how nuch big lie it may be. No question, no arguments, nothing. For eg, andhe ke putra andha!!! But if you prove something bad as good, something wrong as right, no one will believe it. Not only that, you will be asked a million questions!!!! This has happened to many scientists in history who got killed by Christianity (no offense. no arguments over that). Why? Because, deep down we all, you, me and every single person has a notion, known or unknown that "I am the most morally sound human". That thought makes ourselves feel happy. So we can easily accept something as bad or wrong as our mind will feel good thinking what we are and what we like are good and right. To make a small line bigger, you only need to draw a smaller line by side, like that. So naturally opposite is the case of proving something wrong as right. This is the maximum I can say why Karna is still under darkness, (and also why Draupadi is criticised for no known reason) as of now. Sorry for the ranting, haan. Hope you don't mind.😆

So you can not find that which is clearly given at the bottom in Spoken Sanskrir DE and you say that I must have had a new Edition to prove myself right. Let it be. With your kind of thoughts and arguments It is better for me to stay away from you who is ridiculously against every one but Karna. And it included the Author also. Yes I am obsessed. I said it openly. But you showed your obsession without admitting it. For you whatever is written against Karna becomes manipulative or to show Pandavas in a positive way. Wah. Impressed with your thought process but not ready to buy it either.Good luck again for your great logics and inferences. Hail you for making Karna a silent watcher sticking to the word Sahita that gives many meanings depending on the situation.Accompanied by or along with He came with Kauravas to enter the lists for Draupadi.Now I understood why my Mahanayak Admins are so great refuting every misconception that overglorify Karna . They do it again and again. Spoken Sanskrit DE is based on Apte's Dictionary only. We knew it since ages. Again I repeat it is at the bottom side.And the other one even if you can't find it there, it existed.. My sincere request for you. Let us stop our futile Exercise here itself. It will be good even for our readers. So Desist yourself from offering anymore clarifications regarding this. Thanq. PS Actually it is our readers I said. Typing mistake. I mean Our readers must be vexed up reading our heated arguments. I mean those who read our discussions

@Itelidevara - What is Spoken Sanskrit DE? I am first time coming to know about that. I refer four dictionaries. I told I am not a Sanskrit degree holder. I learnt in pretty much traditional way. So not much aware about advanced techniques or books that you might be using. Why cannot a new edition of book have a different interpretation? We have medical books that change interpretations over time, keeping author names same. Apte's dictionary has ben edited recently, in 2005 or 2007, AFAIK. Also what is this Mahanayak site? I have not gone through any online discussions going beyond IF.
For the rest, I don't even know if I have any readers.😆 Don't worry about those whose existence itself is not sure. Thats all.

I Edited my post .It is our readers not yourI meant. Those who follow our discussions must get vexed up I meant that. Spoken Sanskrit DE is used currently for the convenience of those who want to learn Sanskrit. It is compiled taking into account the enthusiastic learners who would benefit from that. The Spoken Sanskrit camps we conduct will utilise this to the maximum. Arjun The Mafanayak Face Book is what I referred. Many scholars posted their immensely valuable posts there If you are interested you can go through the posts. Good Luck .

Okay. I got it.😊 Don't feel offended, haan. Take it as a child's play. I had even argued against Karna in Karna AT itself on the very day Star Karna died.😆 Well, they were profoundly merciful enough to leave my alive.🤣 Just said it to say how I enjoy arguing from both sides. And if you are referring to online dictionaries, I don't use them. Unicode letters are difficult to type. Mine are very old dictionaries. I don't have fb account. So donno in detail than there exists a horrible page called "Karna the great". Did not know a similar one is also there dedicated to Arjuna. No offense intended. I can imagine what fans do there.😆 We have seen many fights in IF only for that. See you around. Bye.😊

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Okay. I got it.😊 Don't feel offended, haan. Take it as a child's play. I had even argued against Karna in Karna AT itself on the very day Star Karna died.😆 Well, they were profoundly merciful enough to leave my alive.🤣 Just said it to say how I enjoy arguing from both sides. And if you are referring to online dictionaries, I don't use them. Unicode letters are difficult to type. Mine are very old dictionaries. I don't have fb account. So donno in detail than there exists a horrible page called "Karna the great". Did not know a similar one is also there dedicated to Arjuna. No offense intended. I can imagine what fans do there.😆 We have seen many fights in IF only for that. See you around. Bye.😊

Jamy...you are immensely blessed for not being on Facebook... 😆
I too feel happy that I am not on Twitter or else I would have lost watever little sanity was left in me during MB days... 😆
And yes...'Karna the great'...the WORST page on Facebook after 'Mahabharat-Star Plus'... 😆 I guess there many more...Didn't hear about the Mahanayak page though...so wont comment.

The only page I liked visiting n which has very few followers compared to the horrible pages was 'Star Plus' Factually Incorrect Mahabharat'...I had met some really decent people there...which also explains y the number of likes in that page was so less...🤣 Bcoz people were not allowed to give gaalis there... 😉

Not sure wat circus is going on in Suryaputra Karna page...but I will die before I ever visit it... 😆

I am highly delighted to inform you Amritat that the Fc that I suggested is quite different from what you normally see in various Fcs. It is mostly connected to those who worked in Star Plus Factually Incorrect Mahabharat and Mahabharat Ki Galatiyan. Views of revered Scholars like Pransu Saxena,Ramnarayan,Champasrinivas,Indrajit Bandhopadhyas finds place so frequently and enthrall the readers. This site is highly Educative,Analytical and informative.I learnt so much by interacting with the Admins of the Site. Ofcourse it is not meant for staunch admirers of Karna as it exposes his minuses and fights against those who degrade Arjun.So that's it.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

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Hi and thanks for the balanced perspective. 😉 I want to ask you about your thoughts on the Pandavas, because you point out many of their flaws. IMO, Karn didn't do very much wrong, relatively, in MB (hence the tagline of tragic hero). One of the worst things (and unforgivable) he did was insult Draupadi. By doing so, he insulted women in general (if one views Draupadi as the emissary of women like I do). At the same time however, Yudhistir did the same thing but much worse. We are all too familiar with the cheer-haran incident. When Draupadi was brought to Kunti's hut, all Pandavas - with Arjun being the sole exception - were consumed with sexual desire. Karn lied to his teacher, but Yudhi was also a liar. And on and on I could go.

Point is this: people love to criticize Karn, which is perfectly reasonable, but why do so many let Pandavas off the hook, when they were worse??? IMO, Pandavas did a lot more bad things than Karn. They also did a lot of good, but one right does not wash away many wrongs.

To what extent would you agree or disagree?

PS Agree with you 10000% on the Kavach-Kundal point.😛

note: I do not include Arjun as part of Pandavas in the above comment. ICBA to write out all four names.

Hi,EmolientGandiv, Even if you did not address me in your comment as I am the TM I would like to say a few words regarding your views. I would like to thank you for not including Arjun in Pandavas . I won't talk about your take on Karna but I would definitely agree with whatever you said about Yudhishtir.Yes,he did many wrongs but no one raises a point. As for looking at Draupadi in Kunti's hut Even if Arjun looked at her with desire it is acceptable.as she is his wife. But the other four ...I cant convince myself connecting it to Draupadi's previous birth.Thats all I want to say.