The Swayamvar that Vyasa presented who are in,who won?

In the wake of the highly distorted Surya Putr Karn,I wonder what would the youngest generation think if they watch the Distorted serial,that humiliates those who really studied the Epic in all its glory. Yes.I repeat.We are humiliated ,embarassed,hurt to see the disgustingly distorted scenes,characters and dialogues that were a blow on the master writer who gifted us unparalleled treasure in the name of Mahabharata.So my question to SidT is if you are not confident of the greatness of the central character ,here it is Ofcourse Karn,why are you making the serial in the first place? Without a scene between Draupadi and Karn that was shown yesterday if you feel you can not win TRPs why did you attempt it at all? You will never find any interaction between Draupadi and Karn in any version of the Epic,Vyasa never brought the two characters together.He knew it is not necessary.And he is recording facts. That we should not forget. I would like to quote one of my favourite authors,Indrajit Bandopadhyay.' There is no need for Draupadi to look at others as she has a complete package in the form of Arjun,tall,dark,handsome,intelligent...And I believe it to the T.And I am not going to keep quiet in the face of such distort ions .I would fall back to my obsession,Vyasa's original mainly BoRi critical edition and post the Sanskrit verses that expose what really happened on that crucial day in the life of Draupadi,Arjun and Pandavas but not exactly a life changer for Karn as they are shoutilg in the precap of SPK yesterday. In this forum I found three kinds of readers. First Type...People like me and Yukti who blindly follow the Epic,love Arjun and don't care about other characters of the Epic,Ofcourse we love Panchali and Madhav that's all. The second type of people love ArDi,Madhav but also like Karn that is why they make so many fictions,of happy family ,too close brothers and so on. The third type of readers are Draupadi haters they may love Arjun or Karn but they hate Draupadi...I think some more types are also there but I prefer to leave them and proceed with my ...What really happened on that day as per Vyasa,as per BoRi ...Ofcourse I would continue it after swayamvar also and post the real picture given by Vyasa regarding Who is greater? Who won whom in every encounter? I would promise myself that I would not pay attention to Naysayers and stop in the middle. I will go till the End.Like I explored every poem every instance in my Thread' Did Draupadi Really Love Arjun More.' So Sid T,Here I come.Forgot to invite all kinds of readers with your comments and brickbats. Welcome to what I call. A Tribute to My Love For Arjun and Draupadi.

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hello

plzz post ur views and this details and info in SPK forum too ...

wish to see u there too ...

thank u ..

chandu :::

Vyasa certainly is a precise writer who always presents that which is important and moves the story ahead.He is right in doing so as he is writing the largest Epic that consists of one lakh verses or more. So instead of describing the attempts of each and every contestant he choose to describe the way the Target was hit by the winner. But his intelligence is revealed when he mentioned those who failed to hit the Fish Target through the words of the Brahmins when Arjun moved towards the Target.It goes thus.' Yat Karna Salya Pramukhaih Parthivairloka visrutaih Naanatam,Balavadbhirdhanurveda Parayanaih Tatkatham TAt kathamAkritastrena ...Vatumatrena Sakyam hi ...BoRi Draupadi Swayamvara Parv .The Brahmins saw Arjun who got up to hit the target and commented thus.' The feat that was not possible for the Experts in Archery such as Karna,Salya and others,how could this Brahmin celibate attempt and win? With this Vyasa conveyed the defeat of Karna Salya without doubt.There is no mention of the so called restriction of Karna by Draupadi in BoRi the most authentic version that considered and referred many popular versions of the Epic. Karna entered the lists but failed to hit the target.The so called melodrama must be added later to suppress the failure of Karna.But unfortunately this proof is not enough for those who deliberately attempts to malign Draupadi by blaming her sharp tongue.Come on Draupadi never ever behave so brash and rude.Vyasa never gave her any dialogue through out this Swayamvar Fiasco. She never bothered about her suitors or meddled in the ongoing process. But no Our SiDT went ahead of his own serial StarBharat where he just made her reject Karn but now he disgustingly made het interact with Karna before Swayamvar.Well Thats it. Karna's failure is crystal clear As if that is not enough he is defeated by Arjun in the battle that followed . Ofcourse I will provide the verses that prove his first defeat in the hands of Arjun.

Originally posted by: vinnas

hii
hello

plzz post ur views and this details and info in SPK forum too ...

wish to see u there too ...

thank u ..

chandu :::

Thanks for your suggestion .I would definitely try to post there also.

Your take on SPK is accurate. Not even Karna lovers like that show. You could have posted your views in that forum. It is against IF rules to post or discuss regarding one forum in another forum when the former is open and active.
You seem to have learned Sankrit. I too have, in bits and pieces. And to my little knowledge, what you wrote on Karna above is what exactly SidT is doing in SPK. I might be utterly wrong but only another person can say that. All I can say now is you gotta read the full chapter in CE from which you quoted the Karna and Shalya verse. Also read the previous chapter. I cannot quote each verse and explain. Everything is crystal clear if read with a little understanding, a little common sense, a little intelligence. Posted this comment only for seeing learned people misguiding others. And don't trust CE a lot. It is good as it is said to be containing the least edited parts. Try reading Dury poisoning Bheema at pramanakoti and Karna's Asura Vrata, in CE. Such mistakes cannot be accepted.

Originally posted by: Brahmaputra

Your take on SPK is accurate. Not even Karna lovers like that show. You could have posted your views in that forum. It is against IF rules to post or discuss regarding one forum in another forum when the former is open and active.
You seem to have learned Sankrit. I too have, in bits and pieces. And to my little knowledge, what you wrote on Karna above is what exactly SidT is doing in SPK. I might be utterly wrong but only another person can say that. All I can say now is you gotta read the full chapter in CE from which you quoted the Karna and Shalya verse. Also read the previous chapter. I cannot quote each verse and explain. Everything is crystal clear if read with a little understanding, a little common sense, a little intelligence. Posted this comment only for seeing learned people misguiding others. And don't trust CE a lot. It is good as it is said to be containing the least edited parts. Try reading Dury poisoning Bheema at pramanakoti and Karna's Asura Vrata, in CE. Such mistakes cannot be accepted.

I read the full chapter in CE but nowhere it is given that Draupadi rejected Karna and he was not permitted entrance. I accurately followed all the discussions that happened in this regard in Star Plus Factually Incorect Mahabharat where scholars like Pransu Saxena,Ramnarayan and others participated and discussed that what is the fact actually. They gave references from many versions. As for CE I consider it highly authentic as got the opportunity to go to Pune and work for my project on MBH. I firmly believe the version given in CE. As for posting this in SPK site I don't think I may do it as I decided not to watch SPK at all after the swayamvar Episode. As for my credentials in understanding Sanskrit I am a post graduate in Sanskrit and English with a PHD degree awarded for my Thesis On Arjun. Thank you .

Well,After Arjun won the bride,a great battle followed between Karna and Arjuna. Immediately Karna realised his opponent's extraordinary skill in archery. Tato Arjunasya Bhujayorviryamapratimam Bhuvi Jnatva,Vaikartanah Karnah Samrabdhah samayodhayat.Realising Arjun's valour as unparalleled ,Karna fought with him...But after a while he asked Arjun who he is. Kim Tvam Sakshat Dhanurvedo Ramo va...' Who are you? Are you the personification of Archery itself? Parasuram? ... Or The Third Pandav?...To which Arjun replied Sthitosmi Adya Rane Jetum Tvam...I am not any one mentioned by you. But I stood here.to win you in battle." Evamuktastu Radheyo Yuddhat Karno Nyavartata.Brahmam Tejamstathajayyam Manyamano Maharathah.Karna retired from battle abruptly thinking that The Brahman Lustre is invincible...In all these verses it is clear that Karn though fought with Arjun he understood that his opponent is not easy to tackle with. That is why he tried to know the identity of the warrior he is fighting with. In Karna's words only Vyasa described the expertise of Arjun by comparing him with Dhanurveda,Parasurama and Arjun himself. So in a way it is a certificate of sorts given by Karna himself about Arjun's superior skills. But unfortunately Karna left the battle abruptly and stunned us or even Arjun himself why he did so.And his parting words are. Brahmana Tejam Tatha Ajayyam.The Brahmin lustre is undefeatable. This first battle between them remained ambiguous not furnishing a perfect end to the glorious battle fought.

I did not call for a Karna-Arjuna discussion, did I? I am not foolish enough to compare a lotus with a jasmine. Lotus is lotus and jasmine is jasmine. I also did not mention Draupadi rejecting Karna. I know Draupadi did not call him Suta putra in Swayamvara. I do not trust any scholar. I can read and understand myself. What I was saying you missed what Karna did in Swayamvara. He did NOTHING. Even a kid who knows Sanskrit can read and understand that. And who had the upper-hand in battle that followed Svayamvara is also crystal clear. It is okay to support Arjuna. I too do that. He is my hero. But if I try also to show Karna down for that, it only shows my hidden fear that somewhere I know Karna was far more superior and it also shows I have no respect for who Arjuna was. So in a discussion about Karna, let us concentrate on him, not on anyone else. And honestly, I did not know common-sense began to appear in grades based on degrees.

I never said that since I had degrees I would be able to supercede others. I gave my introduction of sorts to you and any one will introduce with the academic degrees attached to one's oneself if one have such. But I never said that those who do not have degrees in Sanskrit can not understand the language. Any one who is interested can learn it and explore it. As far as Degrading Karna is concerned, I don't have any fears like if I Talk about Karna's minus points it is the result of insecurity regarding his superiority. For I never believe he is on par with Arjun,in any aspect. I specified in my introduction itself that I don't belong to the kind of people who love Arjun but who also love Karn (if not equally it may vary in degrees.) To me only Arjun and no one else except Panchali and Madhav.Here I discussed the reality of the Swayamvar as per the Epic.And I dropped the idea of watching SPK as I feel it may spoil my health.Any way it is not about my Arjun,so Why should I? I won't. Actually I just watched two Episodes of that but not from the beginning . But after that now I took a decision not to watch that highly distorted Serial. Instead I discuss the encounters between Arjun and Karn as per the Epic.That was done by so many scholars chalo,I also will have my take. Actually I alotted a separate chapter for Arjun verses Karna in my Thesis. By the way I am a Sanskrit lecturer by profession. And I am telling this as a formality. Not to prove my credentials.Actually I don't like Karna but I don't hate him.The one and only character that deserved my hatred is Ofcourse Yudhishtir.I don't have any problem with Bheem and Twins. Finally I admit I am obsessed with Arjun and I admire the three Krishnas.Arjun,Draupadi and Krishna.Strictly an Ardian ,hundred percent.

It is okay. What I meant is we should read thoroughly before presenting a point as a valid one. Otherwise it is not difficult to find loopeholes. And certainly, loopeholes can be found in most things related to Karna. Why to invite unnecessary troubles? Thats all.