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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek



Maddy,
I feel you already got the answer. Just adding some points.

Regarding repainting, it has already been found out by ann2012 that, the original one was a sketch. Even, i had written in my main post that the one which i saw did not appeared colorful. It was a faded portrait, appeared black and white.

Regarding Aurangzeb, what all he did is SOMETHING i do not want to write. But, FYI, as you mentioned he was responsible for destruction for many references with respect to MUZ. So, i am mentioning 1 incident directly related to her. The Agra Palace of MUZ had deities in it, in her temple. This was on the west end of the palace. They were destroyed by Aurangzeb, later around 1670. Around same time he destroyed temples in Banaras.(Hope you know..!..!..)

Regarding clothes, a separate thread is there(Part-4), and such "fashionable attires" existed at that time also. It's been mentioned in that thread, with major updates on comment pages.



Thanks for clarifying it was sketch repainted.

I read that in Europe practice of repainting on FULLY painted paintings was quite common during 15th-16th century. Some important paintings were discovered beneath some paintings during restoration. So the point I made was referring to that.

Agree totally with blue lines. His "such deeds" are well documented


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Posted: 11 years ago
Abhay i have one question wid me
why is Aurangzeb is hell bent on destroying all the things reference to MUZ y is dat so
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tvnamratha

Abhay i have one question wid me
why is Aurangzeb is hell bent on destroying all the things reference to MUZ y is dat so


aurangzeb was shah jahan's son na...šŸ˜•
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: indudolai


aurangzeb was shah jahan's son na...šŸ˜•



yes...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tvnamratha



Abhay i have one question wid me
why is Aurangzeb is hell bent on destroying all the things reference to MUZ y is dat so



Hi,

The answer is quite simple.

Never before MUZ or even after her, any Hindu Begum got so much power, prestige and special privilege, in Mughal Household.. Even in Akbar's time when she was given charge of important departments, it was not down the throat of many hardcore fanatics.
Even, her movement outside Agra was HEAVILY RESENTED by them.šŸ˜•..

And, Aurangzeb was a person who was very strict and loyal towards his faith. I appreciate this feeling and love for his faith but, the problem was he was not at peace with other religions..šŸ˜•. He even imprisoned one of his sons, when he tried to make him understand the serious complications of all the wrongs Aurangzeb was doing...

You will get countless examples where he destructed, even imperial records and memoirs, religious places, etc. etc.

He banned recording of chronicles and shut down of Mughal library.(and then a lot of alteration and destruction of records occured.).

Interesting thing is, different Mughal memoirs, at times contradict each other.šŸ˜‰.
I am not getting time to start a thread on this topic. But, i ll start it when i am free.

In simple words,
Just to erase MUZ from Mughal history, all these nefarious activities were done..
BTW, even in Akbar's time people were not at peace with a women getting so much power and influence..

Many instances have been listed
in my threads, not only by me.. But, other people as well who are researching on this topic.. If interested, will give link.?.?.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@abhay:Thanks a ton for ur effort
even i made my pappa to read all ur 4-parts he is jst a geek like u šŸ˜†
Im just going through the"GREAT MOUGHAS"an YT video dere dey shown
1)Hira was sent to akbar for marriage unlike d serial were jallu gng to amer for wedding
2)does dere marriage performed in hindu or mughols rituals
3)IS noor jahan is very powerful in political matters,even in some of thr articles dat she is very cunning,is dat true
4)noor jahan as made coins by using her name printed on it
5)is akbars favourite writier Abul fazal was killed by jahangir,y did he killed him
6)really a competion uheld between Akbar grandson n jahanger to became next succersor of Akbar
Is all dese incidents are real????
And one more thing im nt able to digest MA's hand in ruqs miscarriage
can u plzz provide one picture of ruquayya sultan begum 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
@abhay:yeah ofcourse give d link,i love to read it too
I feel its very privilage to read ur post
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tvnamratha


@abhay:yeah ofcourse give d link,i love to read it too
I feel its very privilage to read ur post




Given these links before as well..Copying again..


A few Links : Tamperings..

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99071565

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98956120

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98184475

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46?pn=37


BTW, i have 4 threads till date. If you are interested you may read them, including comment pages as well..Do not miss comments...Here are the links ...

Part1: Mariam Zamani - Some unknown facts
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46

Part2: Akbar Ruqayya, Ruqayya Miscarriage Incident, Akbar-Amer relations, etc.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

Part3: GLORY OF FAITH : Akbar with Mariam Zamani Begum - Their Famous Painting
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26


Part4: Mughal Dresses + Holi festival + Mirza Hakim + Shivani Track info + Akbar-MUZ Convo.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91

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Posted: 11 years ago


welc.. 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by tvnamratha

@abhay:Thanks a ton for ur effort

Im just going through the"GREAT MOUGHAS"an YT video dere dey shown

1)Hira was sent to akbar for marriage unlike d serial were jallu gng to amer for wedding

2)does dere marriage performed in hindu or mughols rituals

3)IS noor jahan is very powerful in political matters,even in some of thr articles dat she is very cunning,is dat true

4)noor jahan as made coins by using her name printed on it

5)is akbars favourite writier Abul fazal was killed by jahangir,y did he killed him

6)really a competion uheld between Akbar grandson n jahanger to became next succersor of Akbar
Is all dese incidents are real????

And one more thing im nt able to digest MA's hand in ruqs miscarriage



Q1. Heera was NOT sent to Akbar. As per the 'talk' between Bharmal and Akbar, where Chugtai Khan was a mediator, Akbar decided the place of wedding as Sambhar, in Rajputana. Akbar was near/in Ajmer at that time. Heera and Akbar BOTH came to Sambhar. Sambhar is between Ajmer and Amer. So, there's nothing like Heera was sent anywhere. In this regard, the events on the show were fine. Few days back same question was answered. I am re-quoting the comment.


Originally posted by history_geek

Their marriage did happen in Rajputana only, as shown in the show.😊.



Originally posted by KDR81

Yes, In Sambhar...😃
And for the thought that probably Akbar was feelingless or something...Not at all... He was a human being with goodness and flaws ...and he was NOT a Moron.He was a man with extra-ordinary taste...and there 's ample proofs of that even today.And he did have feelings after all...quite manifested ones in fact...Sometimes , actions speak more than words of Docs...



Originally posted by history_geek

Plz Do not believe in such documentaries..
Akbarnama (i have read it.😊), says that marriage happened in Sambhar on 6th February, 1562.

It was not that Akbar said, i would not go to Amer or anything like that. Instead, it Says - "Akbar consented with Bharmal and promised that he would love to visit Amer."

The venue of marriage was Sambhar in Rajputana. And, chugtai khan was the match - maker.

We have researched a lot on them. And, do agree with that marriage on show to be fairly true. Yes, that war happened, and Bharmal's son and nephews were taken hostages by Sharifuddin. Only after that, Bharmal went to Akbar, where Chugtai Khan played a match-maker, as shown.

P.S -> Digital media has distorted the history of Akbar to a large extent.



Q2. Married in both customs probably, and for that reason we have 2 wedding dates. Even they had a 'jashn' / celebration after marriage, as shown on the show. Nice documentation of marriage is given in chronicles.
Just for info :: --> They took 3 days to reach Agra from Sambhar after their marriage, and finally reached on 10/11 Feb 1562.


Q3. Yes, Nur Jehan was powerful and clever. But, we have proofs for MUZ as well. See this link, where MUZ prevailed over Nur Jehan.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97808719
There are more events where MUZ prevailed over Nur Jehan, we have not written till now.

Q4. Yes, she did so, i mean coins were minted in that manner.

Q5. Abul Fazl was not killed by Jahangir himself, but by a friend of Jahangir on his orders, Vir/Bir Singh Bundela, the Raja of Orchha, when Abul was returning from Deccan.

Q6. Yes. The tussle for throne took place between Prince Khusrav and Jahangir.

Please digest Maham's role in miscarriages. She is BLAMED in chronicles for all these evil deeds. She was a harem cum political conspirator. Read about her role here..

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/95903050
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98473841
Edited by history_geek - 11 years ago

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