Akbar-Ruqs-False Monogamy.Pt2JA Not fiction.Upd-p10,16,18,Ruqs34+35+36 - Page 8

Originally posted by: mandyg

hi abhay,
i would also like to know about these pregnancy tracks, if they were true..i know that miscarriages were common, but did MA do them..its hard to digest! and now this fake pregg track..am confused

MYTHS SHATTERED

Ruqs miscarriage..
Read on.patiently...

Read following carefully..--->>

Well...
atleast now forum members have started to feel the serial.😃.
when i joined here, every1 was busy criticizing ek/jo etc. or always asking from cv's this scene or that..😆

Now, it seems things r changing..


Hi..😊
i tell u 1 "philosophy" of "history".
this is what i have inferred till date.
perceptions may differ.

1.Nothing is true until you find it written...
and
2.Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen...
and
3. UNIQUE case...when it's only passed from 1 generation to another via stories, generation to generation.

My answer...-->>

1.
MA role in miscarriage
yes...she was invilved...
abul fazl has mentioned in akbar's book...
for more, read on next page after this page...(there is a big post in RED color..)

2.
though, i have read that akbar came to know about MA's "misdeeds in harem" "later".
Now, later means after her death or before, i do not know.

(this is fact. hope they show in serial also.)
but, I do not "remember" what those misdeeds were, i mean what methods she used for those misdeeds...
though u may c in d show...
So, i did not include it in my post.
until i have no evidence, i do not mention it.
i openly say, right now i do not have evidence for this.
but if i discover that book again, i ll put up the entire thing with evidences.

3.
but, let me tel u, MA did kill those 2 girls when adham khan was sent to capture malwa..
in the show, they have shown.
if u remember...before jodha-akbar marriage..

Here, i have references also.::
Saga of Great Mughals, By Eraly


next question.

fake preg track..

i have not read till date about this.
So, will not say anything.🤬...
neither, i accept it nor i reject it..i have taken it to be a story, for NOW.

See, what we can prove is true for us.
and what we can not, it's upto us,
but can't be rejected coz u have no confirmation to cif it really was a false event..
if u think in this way, u will never get bored with ANY track on the show.!!
😊

hope it's cleared...

Since, you have forced me 2 open historical pages let me open "1" more incident.😊
From the serial itself.
which u all thought 2 be 'fiction'.
Though, i kept them for future posts.
To post, only when all people here run out of Patience.!!
But it seems, the time arrived too early.

WARNING : Read carefully..Coz u will not believe it reading for first time..😆.


U guys remember, when ruqqaiya's miscarriagehappened...what all akbar did..

If any 1 of you had watched those episodes, CAREFULLY...
There were 4 truths, in that track..(may be more, but i have proof of 4 only.!!)

I am 200% percent sure😆 that 100% members😆 here, must have thought it to be a total disaster and total fiction and utter nonsense!!!😆..

Truth 1:

around same time a villager named - Hapa, comes to akbar in Diwan-e-Aam saying dacoits in Parokh attacked him and looted him and killed his son.
Akbar becomes angry.
Makes up his mind to attack Paronkh.

Reference :Akbarnama


so it was truth, not fiction as proclaimed by forum members.!! Read on.!!


Truth 2:

jalal attacks parokh village.
bhagwan das saves Akbar's life.
takes arrow shot on akbar on himself.
offers akbar water from his supply.

1 thing they did not show in the serial is -" in this war a relative of raja was killed, defending akbar. i do not remember his name. but when i get access to the book again i will upload here!!!!"

if anyone has not read about battle of parokh detail, the link is here. i mentioned about it in my part 1.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46


Reference :Akbarnama.


Till now , u know parokh war is truth. Read On.!!!


Truth 3:

When Hamida Bano tells Gulbadan, when she was writing Humayun - Nama..
that when Humayun(akbar's father) died he was replaced by his "lookalike" or "ham-shakal"...
His name is Mulla Bakshi or Mulla Bekashi(spellings may differ.)
And, he ruled the kingdom for 17 days, until Akbar was called from Gurdaspur/Kalanaur Fort (different sources put different names).

THIS IS TRUTH.😲...!!!!!!!!!
REFERENCE : Humayun Nama..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(If not agreed, get Humayun Nama, and read youself)
Mulla Bakshi existed as Humayun's duplicate...

What prompted me to find out...all this..??
I was going thru old posts, where i found members criticizing EK and CV's for giving them this 'crap'. and beating them blue and black...🤢..
People gave reasons that, since they had to introduce that MA's duplicate scene, so they were creating a background by showing all this crap.!!!!

I thought of finding myself and after great findings i got this truth.
So, guys a request "AGAIN",
stop UN-necessary bashing of cv's / ek or ny1 else...

well, i can only say, try to think...before throwing tomatoes..
such a negative feeling over entire forum is not going to be any use...🤢
just do not start unabated bashings..

Truth 4:

If you remember, when Akbar got to know of MA's duplicate.
He called a person, a bearded man, to verify if it was all true.or, if it was possible that a person can have a duplicate at all.
Then that person came with book, and shows him some paintings in that book and tells him that - " Yes, " duplicates are known to exist since, and even your own father had his duplicate. and in old times".
And, Jalal is shocked..

(
BTW:kings in persia(iran) used to have duplicates. either naturally, or via sort of make ups.
)

Continue:
Did Anyone of you noted the book they were talking about.!!! ...?..?..
i know, none of you bothered.😆.
Let me tell you.::
The book which they quoted was - Dastan-i-Amir-Hamza ( spellings may differ.)
v do not need to do a PHD of that book, because its useless for us. but i tell you, this book was first commissioned around 7th century. later on akbar decided to compile it again..it started around 1562 and ended in 40 years in 4 or 16 volumes(i forgot, is it 4 or 16.!!!)
probably...at present, this is in london.
taken by britishers..


Coming back 2 point.::

Now, construct the entire sequence of events..::


1. _____Ruqs Miscarriage_____________right now no proof____________
2. _____incident in diwan e aam________yes proof is Akbarnama itself !!!_________
3. _____akbar attacks parokh__________yes proof is Akbarnama and royal archives___
4._____Humayun's duplicate existed_____yes proof is Humayun Nama_____
5._____Akbars summons a person to ask do lookalikes exist____yes proof is dastan i amir hamza
6._____Maham's lookalike appeared named "lathi/lakhi"__________right now no proof______


Moral of the story.::

Till now u all(not me.!!😆) thought the above 6 events to be a "DISASTROUS TRACK".which was introduced for increasing TRP's.
My god...what all people think!!.

I HAVE PROVED 4 OF THEM TO BE TRUE.
I have no proof for 1st and 6th. (mind it, right now.!!!!)

i leave the conclusion open to you.
since as of now, i can't say if this was false.or true...
but the connection of evidences point that it cud hv happened..i mean these events.??.
giv ur views...


as i said in starting ::

"
Nothing is true until you find it written... and
Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen... and
UNIQUE case...when it's only passed from 1 generation to another via stories, generation to generation.
"

what i did was to find the truth myself.
because i thought such a great major event can not be total fiction.
only thing is get multiple sources and connect the events...as done here...

Inference ::

Stop bashing CV's or EK or ny character, for showing crap..atleast sometimes..😆
if something happened really, they have to show.!!!!
i do not understand sometimes there is uproar saying its fiction..
then, if she shows u truth u say its crap...
what's this.!!!😕???

sorry, if i am rude..but...whenever i open the forum..
there's only 1 thing going on...unabated bashing..
i wonder this is "FAn club of JA" or "Army Club of World War 3..!!!!"

this is not another tv soap...
kindly research and remember my above advice in purple.

and guys produce, posts which we all love 2 read.
get some positive vibes here.!!!!
😊

i may invite wrath of many people...but i have quoted evidences..also...

(
for first time visitors...do not miss the comments page..
great info there...
2 connect better with the serial...
part 1 and part2 till now here..
)

but do comment here..
BECAUSE,
atleast i may know people read this or it was a WASTAGE of time for me..!!!
and next time i stop posting these much long posts....🥱..

I have one stupid question😆
i wanna know abt the akbar's children's ...means no.of children's including survived & dead.. Their mothers name..
Specially JODHA-AKBARS Children's..
( we faced so much confusion abt this 😲
) I hope U'll give the answer of my stupid question..😛😛

Originally posted by: history_geek

MYTHS SHATTERED

Ruqs miscarriage..
Read on.patiently...

Read following carefully..--->>

Well...
atleast now forum members have started to feel the serial.😃.
when i joined here, every1 was busy criticizing ek/jo etc. or always asking from cv's this scene or that..😆

Now, it seems things r changing..


Hi..😊
i tell u 1 "philosophy" of "history".
this is what i have inferred till date.
perceptions may differ.

1.Nothing is true until you find it written...
and
2.Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen...
and
3. UNIQUE case...when it's only passed from 1 generation to another via stories, generation to generation.

My answer...-->>

1.
i do not know MA did something.like miscarriage..or not..
beacuse i have not read it " specifically.."

2.
though, i have read that akbar came to know about MA's "misdeeds in harem" "later".
Now, later means after her death or before, i do not know.

(this is fact. hope they show in serial also.)
but, I do not "remember" what those misdeeds were.
So, i did not include it in my post.
until i have no evidence, i do not mention it.
i openly say, right now i do not have evidence for this.
but if i discover that book again, i ll put up the entire thing with evidences.
u may take it as a story, because i can not prove it atleast for now.

3.
but, let me tel u, MA did kill those 2 girls when adham khan was sent to capture malwa..
in the show, they have shown.
if u remember...before jodha-akbar marriage..

Here, i have references also.::
a.) Saga of Great Mughals, By Eraly
b.) Memoirs of Shams-al-din-Abdullah


next question.

fake preg track..

i have not read till date about this.
So, will not say anything.🤬...
neither, i accept it nor i reject it..i have taken it to be a story, for NOW.

See, what we can prove is true for us.
and what we can not, it's upto us,
but can't be rejected coz u have no confirmation to cif it really was a false event..
if u think in this way, u will never get bored with ANY track on the show.!!
😊

hope it's cleared...

Since, you have forced me 2 open historical pages let me open "1" more incident.😊
From the serial itself.
which u all thought 2 be 'fiction'.
Though, i kept them for future posts.
To post, only when all people here run out of Patience.!!
But it seems, the time arrived too early.

WARNING : Read carefully..Coz u will not believe it reading for first time..😆.


U guys remember, when ruqqaiya's miscarriagehappened...what all akbar did..

If any 1 of you had watched those episodes, CAREFULLY...
There were 4 truths, in that track..(may be more, but i have proof of 4 only.!!)

I am 200% percent sure😆 that 100% members😆 here, must have thought it to be a total disaster and total fiction and utter nonsense!!!😆..

Truth 1:

around same time a villager named - Hapa, comes to akbar in Diwan-e-Aam saying dacoits in Parokh attacked him and looted him and killed his son.
Akbar becomes angry.
Makes up his mind to attack Paronkh.

Reference :Ain-i-akbari


so it was truth, not fiction as proclaimed by forum members.!! Read on.!!


Truth 2:

jalal attacks parokh village.
bhagwan das saves Akbar's life.
takes arrow shot on akbar on himself.
offers akbar water from his supply.

1 thing they did not show in the serial is -" in this war a relative of raja was killed, defending akbar. i do not remember his name. but when i get access to the book again i will upload here!!!!"

if anyone has not read about battle of parokh detail, the link is here. i mentioned about it in my part 1.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46


Reference :Ain-i-akbari and royal archives.


Till now , u know parokh war is truth. Read On.!!!


Truth 3:

When Hamida Bano tells Gulbadan, when she was writing Humayun - Nama..
that when Humayun(akbar's father) died he was replaced by his "lookalike" or "ham-shakal"...
His name is Mulla Bakshi or Mulla Bekashi(spellings may differ.)
And, he ruled the kingdom for 17 days, until Akbar was called from Gurdaspur/Kalanaur Fort (different sources put different names).

THIS IS TRUTH.😲...!!!!!!!!!
REFERENCE : Humayun Nama..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(If not agreed, get Humayun Nama, and read youself)
Mulla Bakshi existed as Humayun's duplicate...

What prompted me to find out...all this..??
I was going thru old posts, where i found members criticizing EKTA and CV's for giving them this 'crap'. and beating them blue and black...🤢..
People gave reasons that, since they had to introduce that MA's duplicate scene, so they were creating a background by showing all this crap.!!!!

I thought of finding myself and after great findings i got this truth.
So, guys a request "AGAIN",
stop UN-necessary bashing of cv's / ek or ny1 else...

well, i can only say, try to think...before throwing tomatoes..
such a negative feeling over entire forum is not going to be any use...🤢
just do not start unabated bashings..

Truth 4:

If you remember, when Akbar got to know of MA's duplicate.
He called a person, a bearded man, to verify if it was all true.or, if it was possible that a person can have a duplicate at all.
Then that person came with book, and shows him some paintings in that book and tells him that - " Yes, " duplicates are known to exist since, and even your own father had his duplicate. and in old times".
And, Jalal is shocked..

(
BTW:kings in persia(iran) used to have duplicates. either naturally, or via sort of make ups.
)

Continue:
Did Anyone of you noted the book they were talking about.!!! ...?..?..
i know, none of you bothered.😆.
Let me tell you.::
The book which they quoted was - Dastan-i-Amir-Hamza ( spellings may differ.)
v do not need to do a PHD of that book, because its useless for us. but i tell you, this book was first commissioned around 7th century. later on akbar decided to compile it again..it started around 1562 and ended in 40 years in 4 or 16 volumes(i forgot, is it 4 or 16.!!!)
probably...at present, this is in london.
taken by britishers..


Coming back 2 point.::

Now, construct the entire sequence of events..::


1. _____Ruqs Miscarriage_____________right now no proof____________
2. _____incident in diwan e aam________yes proof is ain i akbari itself !!!_________
3. _____akbar attacks parokh__________yes proof is ain i akbari and royal archives___
4._____Humayun's duplicate existed_____yes proof is Humayun Nama_____
5._____Akbars summons a person to ask do lookalikes exist____yes proof is dastan i amir hamza
6._____Maham's lookalike appeared named "lathi"__________right now no proof______


Moral of the story.::

Till now u all(not me.!!😆) thought the above 6 events to be a "DISASTROUS TRACK".which was introduced for incresing TRP's.
My god...what all people think!!.

I HAVE PROVED 4 OF THEM TO BE TRUE.
I have no proof for 1st and 6th. (mind it, right now.!!!!)

i leave the conclusion open to you.
since as of now, i can't say if this was false..
but the connection of evidences point that it cud hv happened...
giv ur views...


as i said in starting ::

"
Nothing is true until you find it written... and
Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen... and
UNIQUE case...when it's only passed from 1 generation to another via stories, generation to generation.
"

what i did was to find the truth myself.
because i thought such a great major event can not be total fiction.
only thing is get multiple sources and connect the events...as done here...

Inference ::

Stop bashing CV's or EK or ny character, for showing crap..
if something happened really, they have to show.!!!!
i do not understand sometimes there is uproar saying its fiction..
then, if she shows u truth u say its crap...
what this.!!!😕???

sorry, if i am rude..but...whenever i open the forum..
there's only 1 thing going on...unabated bashing..
i wonder this is "FAn club of JA" or "Army Club of World War 3..!!!!"

this is not another tv soap...
kindly research and remember my above advice in purple.

and guys produce, posts which we all love 2 read.
get some positive vibes here.!!!!
😊

i may invite wrath of many people...but i have quoted evidences..also...

(
for first time visitors...do not miss the comments page..
we have great info there...
2 connect better with the serial...read em all.!!especially comments on page 4,7,8,9
part 1 and part2 till now here..
)

but do comment here..
BECAUSE,
atleast i may know people read this or it was a WASTAGE of time for me..!!!
and next time i stop posting these much long posts....🥱..

I am really really surprised at the depth you went for JA. I just quit after I could not get my hands on biography or even luckily autobiographers of Akbar cuz he interests me a lot. but alas I have no access to any such books and document.

Appreciate all your efforts. 👏

Originally posted by: sonilausarun

""1.Nothing is true until you find it written...
and
2.Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen...""

Agree 102% wd u 😃👍🏼

thnx..😊

but do not call me abhay 'jee '..
m of same age as u..
name''s fyn..

Hi Abhay,
The part in RED above is BANG ON...!!👍🏼 Though I am not sure abt others, but rest assured there are people who do know which fact shown here is a FACT and which is a mild liberty taken on EK 's part...😆 EK has appointed a whole team of historians as u also know, and in fact they are staying with the Unit in Balaji provided accommodation...😊

Regards.
Kamal
P.S.The hum-shakal's name was Lakhi I guess , not Lathi...so search with both names...
Also, miscarriages did happen probably, but were not so much documented much ...

I love reading ur post spec. After hearing all the crap abt jodha akbar love story not existing. I just have one question, who was the mother of akbar's twin sons who died in infancy. In an earlier serial by akbar khan on akbar the great they showed that jodha was the mother but some say it was ruqaiyya. So what's the truth. I would appreciate u finding out. Thank!

You have posted so much information regarding so many things about Mughal Emperor Akbar, Rajput Princess Jodha, Ruqaiya Sultana Begum etc in this thread.

Originally posted by: history_geek

<font size="6"> MYTHS SHATTERED</font>
<font color="#FF0000">
Ruqs miscarriage..
Read on.patiently...</font>

Read following carefully..--->>

Well...
atleast now forum members have started to feel the serial.😃.
when i joined here, every1 was busy criticizing ek/jo etc. or always asking from cv's this scene or that..😆

Now, it seems things r changing..


Hi..😊
i tell u 1 "philosophy" of "history".
this is what i have inferred till date.
perceptions may differ.

1.Nothing is true until you find it written...
and
2.Nothing is false unless it's written somewhere that the event did not happen...
and
3. UNIQUE case...when it's only passed from 1 generation to another via stories, generation to generation.

My answer...-->>

1.
i do not know MA did something.like miscarriage..or not..
beacuse i have not read it " specifically.."

2.
though, i have read that akbar came to know about MA's "misdeeds in harem" "later".
Now, later means after her death or before, i do not know.

(this is fact. hope they show in serial also.)
but, I do not "remember" what those misdeeds were.
So, i did not include it in my post.
until i have no evidence, i do not mention it.
i openly say, right now i do not have evidence for this.
but if i discover that book again, i ll put up the entire thing with evidences.
u may take it as a story, because i can not prove it atleast for now.

3.
but, let me tel u, MA did kill those 2 girls when adham khan was sent to capture malwa..
in the show, they have shown.
if u remember...before jodha-akbar marriage..

Here, i have references also.::
a.) Saga of Great Mughals, By Eraly
b.) Memoirs of Shams-al-din-Abdullah


next question.

fake preg track..

i have not read till date about this.
So, will not say anything.🤬...
neither, i accept it nor i reject it..i have taken it to be a story, for NOW.

See, what we can prove is true for us.
and what we can not, it's upto us,
but can't be rejected coz u have no confirmation to cif it really was a false event..
<font color="#0000FF">if u think in this way, u will never get bored with ANY track on the show.!!</font>
😊

hope it's cleared...

<font size="4"><font color="#FF0000">Since, you have forced me 2 open historical pages let me open "1" more incident.😊
From the serial itself.
which u all thought 2 be 'fiction'.
Though, i kept them for future posts.
To post, only when all people here run out of Patience.!!
But it seems, the time arrived too early.

<font color="#0000FF">WARNING : Read carefully..Coz u will not believe it reading for first time..😆.</font></font></font>


U guys remember, when <font color="#00FFF" size="6">ruqqaiya's miscarriage</font>happened...what all akbar did..

If any 1 of you had watched those episodes, CAREFULLY...
There were 4 truths, in that track..(may be more, but i have proof of 4 only.!!)

I am 200% percent sure😆 that 100% members😆 here, must have thought it to be a total disaster and total fiction and utter nonsense!!!😆..

<font color="#FF0000">Truth 1:

</font>around same time a villager named - Hapa, comes to akbar in Diwan-e-Aam saying dacoits in Parokh attacked him and looted him and killed his son.
Akbar becomes angry.
Makes up his mind to attack Paronkh.

Reference :Ain-i-akbari


so it was truth, not fiction as proclaimed by forum members.!! Read on.!!


<font color="#FF0000">Truth 2:</font>

jalal attacks parokh village.
bhagwan das saves Akbar's life.
takes arrow shot on akbar on himself.
offers akbar water from his supply.

1 thing they did not show in the serial is -" in this war a relative of raja was killed, defending akbar. i do not remember his name. but when i get access to the book again i will upload here!!!!"

if anyone has not read about battle of parokh detail, the link is here. i mentioned about it in my part 1.

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46


Reference :Ain-i-akbari and royal archives.


Till now , u know parokh war is truth. Read On.!!!

<font color="#FF0000">
Truth 3:</font>

When Hamida Bano tells Gulbadan, when she was writing Humayun - Nama..
that when Humayun(akbar's father) died he was replaced by his "lookalike" or "ham-shakal"...
His name is Mulla Bakshi or Mulla Bekashi(spellings may differ.)
And, he ruled the kingdom for 17 days, until Akbar was called from Gurdaspur/Kalanaur Fort (different sources put different names).

THIS IS TRUTH.😲...!!!!!!!!!
REFERENCE : Humayun Nama..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(If not agreed, get Humayun Nama, and read youself)
Mulla Bakshi existed as Humayun's duplicate...

<font color="#FF0000">What prompted me to find out...all this..??</font>
I was going thru old posts, where i found members criticizing EKTA and CV's for giving them this 'crap'. and beating them blue and black...🤢..
People gave reasons that, since they had to introduce that MA's duplicate scene, so they were creating a background by showing all this crap.!!!!

I thought of finding myself and after great findings i got this truth.
So, guys a request "AGAIN",
stop UN-necessary bashing of cv's / ek or ny1 else...

well, i can only say, try to think...before throwing tomatoes..
such a negative feeling over entire forum is not going to be any use...🤢
just do not start unabated bashings..

<font color="#FF0000">Truth 4:</font>

If you remember, when Akbar got to know of MA's duplicate.
He called a person, a bearded man, to verify if it was all true.or, if it was possible that a person can have a duplicate at all.
Then that person came with <font color="#FF0000">book</font>, and shows him some paintings in that book and tells him that - " Yes, " duplicates are known to exist since, and even your own father had his duplicate. and in old times".
And, Jalal is shocked..

(
BTW:kings in persia(iran) used to have duplicates. either naturally, or via sort of make ups.
)

<font color="#FF0000">Continue:</font>
Did Anyone of you noted the book they were talking about.!!! ...?..?..
i know, none of you bothered.😆.
Let me tell you.::
The book which they quoted was - Dastan-i-Amir-Hamza ( spellings may differ.)
v do not need to do a PHD of that book, because its useless for us. but i tell you, this book was first commissioned around 7th century. later on akbar decided to compile it again..it started around 1562 and ended in 40 years in 4 or 16 volumes(i forgot, is it 4 or 16.!!!)
probably...at present, this is in london.
taken by britishers..


Coming back 2 point.::

[B]<font color="#FF0000">Now, construct the entire sequence of events..::

Bravo 👏
& 👍🏼
Hehe😆😆 So true, we akdhians usually jumps on conclusion so soon without knowing the facts😛😛
We thought that everything was only for TRP... hehe😆 but happy that we were proved wrong & want always to prove wrong .. 😛😛