Mughals - JA(REAL) is not Fiction-Pt4 - Author/TM's note on Pg1 and 91 - Page 25

Originally posted by: history_geek

Tamy,
You made me land in another trouble by mentioning this "bhaashan stuff of Jodha".😕
Bombarded with PM's overnight.
OK. Take this answer.

I am not saying anything from " ❤️ " point of view..
This one is a totally serious answer..!..

But, if you think "The Real Jodha" , did not give her "bhaashans and lectures to Jalal".
Then, have a thought. She did give.!.


"Lectures were there surely, But may be the way of delivery was bit different from what is shown...😊 But nonetheless, MUZ did have active participation in Akbar's decisions...The way a wife can influence her husband's decisions..."


(Do not talk about that movie. Real Jalal and Jodha were not that way. That question has been answered already.)
Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98473841

I am explaining this because, when it will be shown on the show that Jodha giving MAJOR 'lectures' to Jalal even in "political and court matters", then the forum will soon erupt, with the usual dialogue ->"Real Jodha of 16th century would not have done so. She would be obedient mute spectator. And, this is harming Jalal's image..!.." ...And, then again Fan-Wars....


Do not understand, why MANY of us underestimate women of 16th century.😕.
Do not know about other women. But, she was different.
So, you remember her even now..!.. after 400-450 years.!.
And, that is the reason, MAXIMUM references are tampered which are associated with her. (see previous page for PROOF of tamperings.!.)...
Links::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98184475

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98956120


More examples ::

1. 13th century (760 years back.!!.)
Even Raziya Sultan(1236-1240), daughter of Iltutmish ruled Delhi. A woman sat on throne of Delhi, against the wishes of Ulemas.!!..

2. 17th century (350 years back)
A daughter of Aurangzeb(or his brother) gave a speech to the army.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98555146

3. 16th century (450 years back)
MUZ herself commanded a cavalry of 12,000..Link::
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/97808719

4. 500 BC(2500 years back..!!..when women condition was not so good..)
Foster Mother of Gautam Buddha, Gautami, herself attended the Buddhist Sangha, even when women at that time were not allowed to attend. She made Buddha change his mind through a disciple Ananda. This is probably from Buddhist text - 'Vinaya-Pitaka'.

The reason i am giving these examples is only to TELL, DO NOT GENERALISE EVERYTHING. Few women were DIFFERENT and HENCE FAMOUS as well.!!.

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As usual..!..
No one is ready to accept Jalal getting bhaashans from Jodha..!.As they feel it is being done to showcase Jodha as MAHAAN..!!!...😕 "phew"..If she was Mahaan, then what's the problem accepting her..?.."Jodha ke Mahan hone se Jalal ki Mahaanta kam ho jayegi kya.?.".😕.Nahi.!..

I do not want to enter this debate of Jalal-Jodha FAN war.!.
But, i am just writing what CHRONICLES have given us...!!..
For me it's no benefit to side with anyone.

I am answering coz i have facts IN-hand.
Don't like un-necessary "vad-vivaad" based on BASELESS assumptions.😕.

Just telling you since had this question..AND, many PM's to me and KDR81 earlier..
).

P.S. -> Lectures/Bhaashan's are true. Do not feel Akbar's prestige is getting down by this. If this happened why won't they show it.?.

Two links -->Comments by me and KDR81..Check them...

1. 2-3 comments by myself.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=4

2. A comment by KDR81. (4th comment on this page.)
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36?pn=5

P.P.S. -> Please do NOT PM for knowing the details of theLectures/Bhaashan's to me or KDR81.😊. Will update soon. You may post here, till then. (a request..)

P.P.P.S -> Feel free to reject this answer as fiction, if some people do not believe. I am just answering few PM's and Tamy's query. But, reality says 'Lectures' are TRUE. (Some instances are very famous.).


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The thing is, as told before also🥱 many times is, 'minor events' are in royal archives, not in commonly available chronicles, like Akbarnama or Jahangirnama, etc. etc. .😊
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Soon, those events will be posted.
But friends, PLEASE NO PM's on this ISSUE.😊..Already, battling pending ones.😕 We both are quite busy. Just answering this because this answer was a pick-up job from previous thread, with minor additions. Till then, you may post here on the thread. NO problem in interacting.

Hope this clears some doubt OVER MUZ's nature or say "Lecture giving sessions" .😊

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Had to write this, since this debate + question was NOW really tiresome..!
And, troublesome..

P.S. ->
1. The answer is from historical point of view. ...
2. Hope "those" PM senders got the answer, who wanted to know about Real Jalal-Jodha.😊
3. Here, by Jodha i mean Heera Kunwari aka MUZ..

thank u Abhay...its a pleasure to read u...so many infos..never knew I'll be enthralled reading history..yeh kya banadiya tumne mujhe ?😆

Originally posted by: Bamonforever

Actually Abhay, you can't blame people of this forum when they start yelling when they start yelling "real Jodha was not like this , not like that etc etc. " Most of them , say 99.99 % have absolutely zilch idea about history n their idea about history is limited to wikipedia , which is completely like a place for fanfiction. 😕 😆

Hi Garu,

Even i, sometimes lose my senses reading some comments on MUZ, that she was like this and like that.😕.😆. She could do this, she could not do this. As if people have read that she did not.😆. This is how problem of different versions of History is created. Just accepting a simple fact is too tough. ...BTW, I am sure, i will still get such comments again.

I keep seeing "NEW DEFINITIONS" for her.🤓. Still, restrain from commenting, at my best. But, now this question indirectly came yesterday. So, finally wrote all this.

Yes, Wikipedia ki to baat hi nirali hai..😆.The moment some one refers wikipedia, i just can not control my laugh. They give an entirely new version of History.

OK...The latest shot from Wikipedia...!...!...
Let me tell you another recreation of history on Wikipedia. We all know that, MUZ was from Kachwaha royal family of Amer. Just go to "Wikipedia" and search 'Kachwaha'.

The definition on first line there says--->>"Traditionally they were peasants😲 involved in agriculture but in the 20th century they began to make 😲claims😕 of being a Rajput clan."

If that is the case, from where Man SIngh, Bhagwan Das and other warriors came from.?.?.

So, you will get a LIVE EXAMPLE, How badly people want to DISTORT the very ORIGIN of Heera/MUZ..?.That page was RECENTLY edited after this show started.. Previously, it was FINE..
Well...i can give you countless examples against MUZ.. Wait...I am planning to start a new thread ONLY, for distortion of her HISTORY...

On a serious NOTE, History has been VERY unfair to her. First, her references were destroyed, then EVEN the existing ones, people try to distort.😕.
And, even a few BIASED academicians do this.

thnx a ton for such valuable information Abhay & others.

Yes, I do saw many posts where viewers just start debating taking either sides ... at times ppl take on jalal side ... at times jodha side ...

Jodha's self respect was misunderstood at times ...

Everyone of us would like to openly speak out our opinions but when it is shown in the serial ppl start bashing ...

yes, shes is a different person & that is the reason shes under all our discussions even today!

Even Jalal is a different Mughal emperor ... jodha advised him but his readyness to accept useful advises was also qt appreciating.

AkDha both r diff ... so only their story is even heard with such interest today!

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Garu,

Even i, sometimes lose my senses reading some comments on MUZ, that she was like this and like that.😕.😆. She could do this, she could not do this. As if people have read that she did not.😆. This is how problem of different versions of History is created. Just accepting a simple fact is too tough. ...BTW, I am sure, i will still get such comments again.

I keep seeing "NEW DEFINITIONS" for her.🤓. Still, restrain from commenting, at my best. But, now this question indirectly came yesterday. So, finally wrote all this.

Yes, Wikipedia ki to baat hi nirali hai..😆.The moment some one refers wikipedia, i just can not control my laugh. They give an entirely new version of History.

OK...The latest shot from Wikipedia...!...!...
Let me tell you another recreation of history on Wikipedia. We all know that, MUZ was from Kachwaha royal family of Amer. Just go to "Wikipedia" and search 'Kachwaha'.

The definition on first line there says--->>"Traditionally they were peasants😲 involved in agriculture but in the 20th century they began to make claims😡 of being a Rajput clan."

If that is the case, from where Man SIngh, Bhagwan Das and other warriors came from.?.?.

So, you will get a LIVE EXAMPLE, How badly people want to DISTORT the very ORIGIN of Heera/MUZ..?.That page was RECENTLY edited after this show started.. Previously, it was FINE..
Well...i can give you countless examples against MUZ.. Wait...I am planning to start a new thread ONLY, for distortion of her HISTORY...

On a serious NOTE, History has been VERY unfair to her. First, her references were destroyed, then EVEN the existing ones, people try to distort.😕.
And, even a few BIASED academicians do this.😡

So Abhay...
As I can only see positivity for ur post...so there's hardly anything left to do...But, I will add some words...just as I promised u...😊
At last I see that your effort is showing proper color...People are coming to believe in FACTS and not Wiki...and endless such online infos...not to mention some distorted version of memoirs...(NOM)😳
@everyone
Just another reminder that the show is showing the core issues and incidents almost as they were known to be for ages, with just the necessary Tadka...But that, in NO way , makes it a complete fiction...In fact calling the Ja-Jo relation a fiction, is the funniest thing...😆

Regards,
Kamal
P.S.@ Abhay:And thanks for adding my lines in your post...😆 and for explaining my absence to all...Pls keep doing that till I get back properly...😊

Abhay...🤗..what should I say dear...I m speechless...hats off to you for another interesting update..👏👏👏...I feel proud of myself that I m a viewer of a show for which so much research work has been done prior to its production & I also feel obliged to be a part of this forum where such intelligent, hard-working & knowledgable persons like you exit.👍🏼 MUZ must surely have had a great influence in Akbar's life.😉

Originally posted by: Bamonforever

Actually Abhay, you can't blame people of this forum when they start yelling when they start yelling "real Jodha was not like this , not like that etc etc. " Most of them , say 99.99 % have absolutely zilch idea about history n their idea about history is limited to wikipedia , which is completely like a place for fanfiction. 😕 😆

Originally posted by: history_geek

Hi Garu,

Even i, sometimes lose my senses reading some comments on MUZ, that she was like this and like that.😕.😆. She could do this, she could not do this. As if people have read that she did not.😆. This is how problem of different versions of History is created. Just accepting a simple fact is too tough. ...BTW, I am sure, i will still get such comments again.

I keep seeing "NEW DEFINITIONS" for her.🤓. Still, restrain from commenting, at my best. But, now this question indirectly came yesterday. So, finally wrote all this.

Yes, Wikipedia ki to baat hi nirali hai..😆.The moment some one refers wikipedia, i just can not control my laugh. They give an entirely new version of History.

OK...The latest shot from Wikipedia...!...!...
Let me tell you another recreation of history on Wikipedia. We all know that, MUZ was from Kachwaha royal family of Amer. Just go to "Wikipedia" and search 'Kachwaha'.

The definition on first line there says--->>"Traditionally they were peasants😲 involved in agriculture but in the 20th century they began to make 😲claims😕 of being a Rajput clan."

If that is the case, from where Man SIngh, Bhagwan Das and other warriors came from.?.?.

So, you will get a LIVE EXAMPLE, How badly people want to DISTORT the very ORIGIN of Heera/MUZ..?.That page was RECENTLY edited after this show started.. Previously, it was FINE..
Well...i can give you countless examples against MUZ.. Wait...I am planning to start a new thread ONLY, for distortion of her HISTORY...

On a serious NOTE, History has been VERY unfair to her. First, her references were destroyed, then EVEN the existing ones, people try to distort.😕.
And, even a few BIASED academicians do this.

Abhay, super bold lines, it does not matter what the biased academicians say, there are very very rare few people in history who get people's unconditional love and respect even after centuries
Maharana Pratap
Shivaji Maharaj
Jodha bai - she has always remained an enigma fascination

Now maybe people will come to know her real story (somewhat!)

What people think of Aurangzeb now?!😡

For lot of viewers here this is not just a serial but real story of PROUD, FIERY QUEEN JODHA WHO MAINTAINED HER RELIGION, IDENTITY AND STATUS IN 16TH CENTURY THAT MAKES ANYBODY IN 21ST CENTURY PROUD

Originally posted by: Clumsy_Wings

MUZ was one hell of a fascinating. The more you research on her, the more addicted you become on finding what her identity was.You will feel like piecing a puzzle on her b/c the information is available, but you have to look everywhere. She is a like a lost treasure. I wish someone there was some kind of diary written by her. Abhay , as usual thank u for enlightening us.Komal thank u too . 🤗

Wouln't that be something if such a diary was in existance and found somewhere!