I'm so tired of Bollywood stars playing... - Page 6

Originally posted by: -Crystal-

Actually a boy from my class have it and in some scenes i could see similiarities between srk and the boy from my class but i dont know if autism changes when u become older does it? because if not then i am not so impressed but i think srk is really good in the promo lets see how he is in the full movie and i just hope nothing offensive against autism...

autism and aespergous syndrome are the syndromes when a person doesn't have much social sense and it stays wid u throughout unless u try and cure it which is actually hard for guys and it also depends wats the degree of the syndrome

Originally posted by: sneha0601

Now this is a touchy topic... And a nice one to ponder on truly! 👍🏼


I caught a glimpse of the movie yesterday, and as I stated in another topic, I think it was marvelously done, or at least tried. I completely agree with parts of your post, and completely disagree with other parts. I guess that's fair enough, everyone can't possibly have the same tastes! 😆

Firstly, I see no wrong, absolutely nothing with a superstar performing a mentally-retard/handicapped role, provided that he/she can live up to it. You can not be the best actor in the industry, but if you do a fair enough, good enough job, why discredit the person? I personally beg to differ from most on the forum probably who liked Hritik in Koi Mil Gaya, I think it was hugely overdone in places, and very insensitive in some of the most important scenes. He was OK, but he was not what I would call good. Whereas on the other hand, Rani Mukherjee was mind blowing in Black, and I don't say so because the critics claim so, I say so because I felt it when she acted, when she cried and laughed, somewhere deep down it stirred a few dormant feelings. And mind you, both are superstars, at least in the Bollywood Industry they both are.

Also, I think with the number of times they've changed the script of MNIK, and about how they said they interacted with the people related to the disease in some way. I daresay they've been doing their research, and from my point of view, it clearly shows in the promo that they have been doing some effort. Autism is characterized by impaired social interaction and communication, and if you look closely, and repeatedly, as I've done to understand it, you realize that's exactly what they've tried to portray. Rizwan does not speak to people, he hardly speaks to his wife, and she has to make him react in society, for example at the party. Also, you see Mandira waving to him in a scene, and he doesn't even acknowledge she's signaling him in the first place, instead turns his face to check behind. I'd call that exactly what the disease is about, at least from little I've seen with friends of friends around me.

On the acting front, I agree, SRK is not the best, but to say he's not good enough wouldn't be something I'd agree with either. We've seen what he can do in Veer Zaara, in Kal Ho Na Ho or in Chak De, all three roles differing largely from each other. So I personally far from feel he is not a versatile actor. Agreed he cannot do everything, and agree also he should stop doing college roles and denigrating himself in the process, but from the first look, I am satisfied with the promo. I will comment fully only after having seen the movie perhaps, because that would be the best thing to do. But I still feel they toned it down real enough to make it believable, from what I felt. I am no die-hard fan of SRK, when I don't like him, I'll say it the first and I didn't in movies like OSO or Billu Barber. But when he deserves it, I would be the first one to give him credit as well.

About the plot, totally in! It's high time Indian Cinema comes up with originality, with some freshness. They surely don't have a scarcity of good story writers, so why in the hell do they need remakes and copies from another industry? Why can't they rely on concrete NEW plots instead of the same old crap over and over again. And why do their storyline need to be unrealistic? I am highly fearing that 'I want to see the President' part in the movie, although he seems he does it only to make his wife love him again, perhaps that's what they want to show I guess, yet I do believe they should stop portraying ideas that wouldn't happen, couldn't happen if they are actually showing the common man.


That said, I better stop, it's been going long enough. 😆 As such, I don't mind watching superstars, or whoever the heck they want to put as an actor in the lead, provided that they give me something that I'll love to watch. I don't think people mind watching such movies really, or we wouldn't have a Black or Taare Zameen Par becoming both critical and commercial successes. Also, since the past 2 years or so, I feel the Indian audience is highly improving on CHOOSING the right kind of movies to watch. I can't tell you how much satisfaction I personally feel when I see a Kambakht Ishq or a Billu Barber going flop. It's high time good movies get their credit.


Cheers, and very nice topic, made me think much before posting,

Sneha

Originally posted by: sneha0601

I just wanted to add, except one line in the background around the middle when he says something to Kajol, there's not a single otherwise moment I felt he seemed like a kid or a child as you said it, or even acted like one. But perhaps that's just me, each to his own after all! 😉

I do felt he lost the autism in places though, there are some instances when he sounds way too normal than he is supposed to be, or perhaps that's how the disease is supposed to be, but these are only in 2-3 little scenes, so I'll neglect it for my sake... 😆

research the disease, he is very much normal, he just doesn't have average social sense

Originally posted by: sapnon_ki_pari

I find it funny when people either write off the movie even before it releases, or praise it to no ends before it comes out.

I don't think anything can be said about how MNIK is going to be. For me, there were parts of the promo that were brilliant but the movie itself is yet to be judged. Let's wait till it comes out and we have seen it to discuss just how much KJo butchers it.

i agree, hopefully he won't butcher just lets wait and watch but man it has really gone against him to make KURBAAN , i hope he doesn't lose audience, thank god srk and kajol are in it! lets c this movie seems preechy or not soulful in sum places i hope the movie is engaging at an emotional level not like KURBAAN

Originally posted by: karanshergill

Definitely u r in the minority of saying it worst ever....it made people sry for those kids???i have seen people who got inspired from the film not the common people but handicapped and one example u can see was on tere mere beech mein and some said why should superstars make these movies.....i say why not...why should they not make.they are trying there best to justify the character and doing that they are inspiring,motivating a lot of people who are handicapped that they can achieve anything and if any other actor would have done that role of rohit would have not justified as much as hrithik did and also it was in 2003....u should take that into account...people would not see if it entirely had reaslitic appeal and in 2004 two of bollywood best films(atleast for me) though not on handicapped but realistic swades and lakshya bombed at bo and today it is different because of multiplexes and all......so plzzz don't bring in movies that are made before 2004. as they had to be made in a certain appealing way other wise audience would not come and see....the audience mind set today is different

wow thanks

Originally posted by: roxthefox

That's a ridiculously stupid thing to say; to avoid movies because they don't deal with realism. A film can be both realistic, thought provoking, AND entertaining. It's like you have to choose between shit or Shakespeare. Why does entertainment and great films have to be mutually exclusive? The Twilight series are far from realistic, but people still enjoy them. Why? Because it never establishes itself as a serious and believable film. It has always established itself to be a Fantasy film. Terminal diseases and terrorism aren't my idea of 'fantasy', and I don't think Bollywood is smart enough to produce a satire or a fable on such subjects. Fine, if you wanna make a movie about aliens helping a handicapped child, than at least play your part right.

I can't agree more Fox!

Originally posted by: nkapoor

well the critics claim hrithik to have dun a superb job in KMG also, and i beg to differe he hasd not overdone in any places, hrithik won the filmfare critics for this

I make my own judgments dear, I've said earlier, I don't rely on critics to like/dislike a movie. Not in bollywood at least.

I said it in the post, each to his own. He could have won the Oscars, I would still have found him overacting in some very crucial parts of the movie.

That said, I don't mind if you say he was superb and utterly brilliant. 😆

Originally posted by: nkapoor

research the disease, he is very much normal, he just doesn't have average social sense

THAT is exactly what I said nkapoor, research AND understand my post first!

Originally posted by: nureat01

Very well said👏👏👏 I loved reading the points you put forth....

I am wary about the subject chosen for this movie since KJo is at the helm of affairs but if I go strictly by the promo....I think SRK has done a good job portraying at autistic character....and ultimately I'd give my final opinion after watching the movie only.....

Thank you! Genuinely. 😛


Nureat, isn't it? I see with the siggies you totally are into the movie!! 😆

Personally, I've seen someone criticizing Dostana earlier on in this thread as a KJo production. Firstly, Dostana was a Dharma production PRODUCED movie, neither written nor directed by KJo himself. And whether it was pure crap or not, well that I would guess lies in the eyes of the beholder. What wrong is there in watching a fun movie once in a while? I agree it wasn't done as good as it could have, and it does not deserve any award or whatever, but where is the harm in watching 2 hours of fun entertainment? I wonder... 😕

From that, coming to the point about a Karan Johar directed movie, I once again differ from all those who have been saying he only gives out crap movies with romance stirred in and some drama. You wanna watch movies right? So obviously it is meant to have drama, romance, crying including everything else. Though I thought KANK was a superb story but very badly depicted, I cannot criticise him for what he produced as KKHH for example. A marvelous storyline ( Ok, yeah there were too many coincidences in between, but which movie doesn't have 1-2?), some great dialogues, and very good plotting. I think KJo understands how to depict relationships, and since THAT is what he does best, he prefers sticking to that genre for his directions. What's the harm in it? Don't we all do things, or prefer at least, doing things we are masters at instead of venturing in unknown waters? What's the harm if he is amongst the best in the industry when it comes to romance or drama? 😕


Another thing, acting is obviously going to be different from the real picture guys, that's why it is called ACTING isn't it? Would you expect SRK to tamper with his nerves until he gets the whole thing right? He is obviously not going to be perfect throughout, obviously, because he is getting into a character. Give it a shot before you say he's done horrible. And all this hoola-hoop with ONE promo!


Singing off, I have to get back to books! 😆 I'll just say this: "My name is unimportant. My work is far more important than my name!" ~ SRK


Cheers everyone,
Sneha



P.S. Rox, you are a Yashdeep fan by the way? We've got a lot to talk about then!! 😆

By the way, I just read this from quite a few sources. It is not Autism the disease from which the lead character in the movie suffers from, but Asperger syndrome, and NOTE this:

[Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder, and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development.

Three aspects of communication patterns are of clinical interest: poor prosody, tangential and circumstantial speech, and marked verbosity.]


How strange? KJo did do some research finally hun? A person suffering from this disease IS supposed to have speech difficulties! Thank God for Google, I can check facts. 😆