I'm so tired of Bollywood stars playing... - Page 8

Originally posted by: sneha0601

I don't want to get into trouble with the huge number of fans Hritik probably has on the forum. 😆

I'll PM you them as soon as I get time, stating of course, that they are purely my opinion! Fair enough? 😛

yeh sure

Originally posted by: sneha0601

By the way, I just read this from quite a few sources. It is not Autism the disease from which the lead character in the movie suffers from, but Asperger syndrome, and NOTE this:

[Asperger syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder, and people with it therefore show significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. It differs from other autism spectrum disorders by its relative preservation of linguistic and cognitive development.

Three aspects of communication patterns are of clinical interest: poor prosody, tangential and circumstantial speech, and marked verbosity.]


How strange? KJo did do some research finally hun? A person suffering from this disease IS supposed to have speech difficulties! Thank God for Google, I can check facts. 😆

Originally posted by: nkapoor

KMG was an original, hrithik won awards, it was a blockbuster, thereafter people have been copying this concept, however autisism is sumthing totally different

Oh, and I like how many times the child actors representing the younger years of the character are able to act out their situation better than the adult actors 😆

Originally posted by: moonlit.gold

I agree, I did read somewhere that in this movie SRK has Asperger's Syndrome.

Unforunately, KJO certainly DID NOT do much research, and the "facts" of Asperger's Syndrome are not depicted whatsoever in the promo that came out recently.

Firstly, Asperger's Syndrome is basically derived from autism; It branches off of autism, if you will. In Asperger's Syndrome, a person is incapable of interating socially, you correctly pointed that out. BUT, a person with Aspergers cannot understand or display any sort of emotion. Normal human responses baffle them. They don't know what it is to be happy, sad, angry, in love, hurt, etc. They also are unable to create any real relationships with others due to this inability to decipher emotion.

So now coming to this impending blockbuster...How is it that a man who supposedly has Aspergers is married? Why does he want to go all the way to Washington DC claiming he wants his wife to love him when he isn't even supposed to know what love is? SRK surely does not have autism, and ABSOLUTELY cannot have Aspergers...my diagnosis is a mutated gene on the 12th chromosome which was incorrectly transcripted by the protein karanjoharase.

All info above can be referred to in Campbell & Reece 's "AP Biology" 7th edition, as well as the novel "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Nighttime" by Mark Haddon.

I don't care for Bollywood, but if theyre gonna be scientific, they better get it right.

...needless to say, I agree with rox.

To the highlighted bit Chandni, there is a wide range of severity and symptoms..its not the same in every individual. The symptoms vary from so mild that the person can function as well as anyone else around them, to so severe that they are completely unable to take part in normal society. Many people with milder symptoms of Aspergers are not even diagnosed. And its not that they don't understand love, they are unable to communicate or understand people's gestures and again the varying symptoms and severity of those symtpoms depends on the level of the disorder. They feel awkward in social situations so its the lack of socialisation more so..and also there are many historical figures such as Einstein, Mozart for instance who have known to have had symptoms of Aspergers. Also Aspergers over time tends to stabilise and improvements can be seen again depending on the level of severity.

Originally posted by: -Edelweiss-

To the highlighted bit Chandni, there is a wide range of severity and symptoms..its not the same in every individual. The symptoms vary from so mild that the person can function as well as anyone else around them, to so severe that they are completely unable to take part in normal society. Many people with milder symptoms of Aspergers are not even diagnosed. And its not that they don't understand love, they are unable to communicate or understand people's gestures and again the varying symptoms and severity of those symtpoms depends on the level of the disorder. They feel awkward in social situations so its the lack of socialisation more so..and also there are many historical figures such as Einstein, Mozart for instance who have known to have had symptoms of Aspergers. Also Aspergers over time tends to stabilise and improvements can be seen again depending on the level of severity.

Originally posted by: moonlit.gold

Yep, I totally agree that Asperger's can be mild to severe. But if the disorder were mild enough for the character to interact in society, than why would it be necessary to put that on his ID card? It would then become a device to discriminate with. So many people look at one's ID card....if something that was mild and wasn't really bothering the individual was placed on the card, the reader would still look at the individual differently. I can vaguely remember reading of a law that explains how severe a disease must be before it can be published/written on public document/cards, but I can't really remember the stats...

Anywho...I don't really want to deviate from the original topic, which doesnt have much to do with the technicalities...but I just thought to point em out, since it was being discussed...

@ Zainu- Muahz😛

See the ID bit, I can't totally say as to how severe his Aspergers in the film is meant to be. For that we would have to wait and watch the movie. But my guess here would be that his symptoms are not as mild and at the same time its not such a severe form as to becoming totally inept to communication or becoming totally seclusive. I am not much aware about the law regarding publishing the disorder details on ID cards. From what I know, I think what you said about it being at a certain level of severity to be put on an ID seems correct.

But yea totally with you, I don't see a need for deviating from the topic itself..

Originally posted by: starsgo

It's not about judging a movie by its promo, or "first-looks" for that matter. It's not about having a grudge against movies which make entertainment their priority (of course mainstream cinema will always have some form of exaggeration). It's not about having a general distaste for " super "stars" " playing a mentally challenged personage.

It's not.

It's about the variety of conditions relating to the human brain that have made their impact in society and science; and it's about these specific stars, who are not actors, but stars, who claim to be actors, portraying the characteristics related to these conditions so poorly. I see what roxthefox is trying to say (or atleast i believe i see 😛). The conditions that cause one to become mentally challlenged vary -- as do the behavior they bring about. However, this is far from being attended to in Bollywood. All anyone who is playing a mentally disabled charater has to do is act a couple of years under their years. But that's sooo ridiculous.

I had an autistic class-mate this past semester in one of my math courses, and he was brilliant. Just brilliant. He would keep to himself, definitely. He would come in, open up his laptop, type all of the MATH notes (integrals and derivatives and all)!!! reallllllllly fast on it, and then as soon as it would be time to leave, he would get his belongings together and leave (even if the reason our professor would go over-time is because he wanted to give out a few tid-bits on an exam; even if it was just two extra minutes). Sometimes, though, when no-one in the class would be able to answer the professor's questions, he would give out the correct answer in a booming voice as though it really was a piece of cake. And sometimes, when he came in early and the boys in the room would be talking about Modern Warfare and 360s and new technology/computers, he would suddenly just start speaking to them - and look them straight in the eyes when doing so. Other times he wouldn't even look up, and he would move back and forth, and up and down. Sometimes we could see him in action in both ways on the same day.

The bottom line is - I could never EVER imagine him hitting his forehead and saying I'm smart like srk in that avi (though I do thingk srk is amazing at many things - acting isn' t one of these).

A movie can be entertaining and realistic. Maybe the problem with Bollywood is that they relate realism to the art genera. "Stars" in Bollywood have missed the distinction between being entertaining and over-the-top. It's always about the extreme. tsk tsk

and 😆😆😆 @ Danielle_Radcliffe

Hear hear! You have pegged my thoughts and have displayed them so eloquently. None of the mentally challenged characters played by these glamorous superstars are medically authentic. As I said earlier, not all mentally challenged people are overgrown children, which is what is portrayed in Bollywood films. I don't even want to get started on Ajay Devgan. The thought alone makes me shudder.

Some people here mentioned Rani Mukherjee in Black. Well newsflash folks, Rani wasn't playing a, pardon for the politically incorrect term, a mentally retarded character. Her performance was an embarrassing to sit through and so over the top. Some people need to watch the ORIGINAL version of the film, The Miracle Worker, to see just how much Rani butchered the character. The performance in the original was so captivating, heartfelt, gripping and absolutely poetic. The original character was inspiring, but unfortunately, Bollywood's projection of mentally challenged characters garners either pity, or mockery.


I started this topic on whim, knowing that any attempts to initiate thought provoking or intellectually stimulating discucssions on the Bollywood forum yield minimum posts (save for my thread hating on K-Jo). If I had known that this thread would last, perhaps I would have been more passionate in my post. 😛

Originally posted by: karanshergill

Definitely u r in the minority of saying it worst ever....it made people sry for those kids???i have seen people who got inspired from the film not the common people but handicapped and one example u can see was on tere mere beech mein and some said why should superstars make these movies.....i say why not...why should they not make.they are trying there best to justify the character and doing that they are inspiring,motivating a lot of people who are handicapped that they can achieve anything and if any other actor would have done that role of rohit would have not justified as much as hrithik did and also it was in 2003....u should take that into account...people would not see if it entirely had reaslitic appeal and in 2004 two of bollywood best films(atleast for me) though not on handicapped but realistic swades and lakshya bombed at bo and today it is different because of multiplexes and all......so plzzz don't bring in movies that are made before 2004. as they had to be made in a certain appealing way other wise audience would not come and see....the audience mind set today is different

Since when did you start confusing the majority opinion with the right opinion?