Maya and the Prophecies - Page 3

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

They could have easily shown the same--or hinted that Maya might prove to be toxic--in a lot of other different and intelligent ways. But using pandits and their prophecies and superstitions to do it is the most regressive thing ever. And they also went on to prove them. Now any woman in her home can say oh look superstitions are true and do the same to her bahu or anyone else whom she's superstitious about. Why give these things such validation? It's absolutely abominable.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Nobody's bad to be honest. Good people--sane people--have toxic relationships. It's not about how you are as a person. It's about what you're doing in a relationship.
There's a phrase we use in the fictional verse. It's 'true character is revealed when your characters are in immense pressure and when they're forced to make choices in that kind of pressure.'
Maya cannot take pressure. She crumbles under it. She makes rash decisions and does wrong things. Her actions can be empathized with--people can say I understand why she did it--but they cannot be condoned.
Maya had no right to do what she did.
I may agree with the fact that Vandana treated her in the most abhorrent manner but by the end of it she too actively sought to part Arjun from his mother. She should've simply left that house and that would've been punishment enough for Vandana. But did Arjun deserve it?
Did Arjun deserve to be lied about his baby? (Assuming from the recent episodes there wasn't one)
Did Arjun deserve such lack of trust? He never emotionally or physically cheated on Maya. He should've never sought Saanjh or discussed his other problems with her but he was still trying his best to be with Maya. Maya never gave Arjun her trust or respect or his space. She should've tried to talk to him. Tried to explain that she was uncomfortable--that she was hurting. That is what you do. See no relationship is an easy sail. Sometimes your partner does things you hate. It is VERY NORMAL. Sometimes they're bestfriends with people you hate or get too angry or have a bad habit. You need to at least talk to them about it. Maya never did that. She didn't give Arjun a chance--ever--to explain his side. She issued ultimatums. Emotional blackmailing as well. In the scene where she didn't stop drinking the champagne. She should've instead talked to him.

Don't you see how toxic this relationship has been? For both of them? Maya needs medical help first and foremost. It is absolutely wrong to say that some other person is to blame for your actions. No. Whatever actions you and I take--they will always reflect on us. Not the people because of whom we're doing that. If someone does something to us--how we respond--is our character. We shouldn't stoop to their level. Ever. Whatever we do next is not on them. It's on us.

Even if Arjun hadn't made the mistake of secretly meeting Sanjh , Maya would have been the same restless, insecure women with distrust towards her husband. You know why I say this - in the bachelor party of Arjun, Mayaa gatecrashed to keep an watch on him. Back then he was fully devoted to Mayaa but yet she didn't allow him any space.
Her issues are deep rooted. She will NEVER place her complete trust on anyone for she's never learnt to trust , her upbringing never gave her that freedom.
Put any person in Maya's life , he will be a priosner of hers and she will try and control his every move come what may!

Originally posted by: Laska

You do it. You blame Maya. You judge her. You punish her. You demand punishment for her. You believe these predictions and pundits. You burn her like a witch at a stake. You are ready to send her to a psychiatric hospital, put her in jail for something she didn't do

And yes, tomorrow, going out into the street you will condemn and burn a living person. It's so easy for you to burn somebody in a show, what will change in reality?

It just a mirror, nothing more

I don't think anybody's burning her in the show. 🤔
Idk if this comment is targeted at me or in general but if it is at me I have never exactly believed or endorsed the whole pandit thing. I do judge Maya. I judge every single character in the show. So do you. So does everyone else. We are supposed to do that. In a constructive, healthy manner. I'm bound to also blame a character for something I strongly feel they've done wrong.
Also again the whole social stigma with the word 'psychiatrist' what is wrong with going to a psychiatrist? You do know that you're using it like it's a gaali? That people who go to psychiatrists or such hospitals are somehow wrong or vile? Have you ever visited one? Because I have. And there's NOTHING wrong about mental hospitals that look after a patient's well-being.
I don't think Maya needs one though. She needs constant psychotherapy. And it's a medical term. She needs help. That is again for her psychotic episodes--she's mentally disturbed. She lives in constant fear. She does things in her extremities.

My topic was about how such superstitions are validated by this show. Not about what fate Maya deserves.

Originally posted by: Lilac_N_Maple

Even if Arjun hadn't made the mistake of secretly meeting Sanjh , Maya would have been the same restless, insecure women with distrust towards her husband. You know why I say this - in the bachelor party of Arjun, Mayaa gatecrashed to keep an watch on him. Back then he was fully devoted to Mayaa but yet she didn't allow him any space.
Her issues are deep rooted. She will NEVER place her complete trust on anyone for she's never learnt to trust , her upbringing never gave her that freedom.
Put any person in Maya's life , he will be a priosner of hers and she will try and control his every move come what may!

Exactly! Maya's lack of trust, her paranoia and the fact that she never gave Arjun his space or discussed her problems with him was always going to be a big big problem in their relationship. He didn't even get the chance to explain his point of view or apologize in the cases he was wrong. She never trusted him. That says a lot about their relationship. It was toxic right from the beginning and unhealthy. Maya lives in extreme paranoia and fear. She is controlled by it. She cannot have healthy relationships until she gets active medical help and talks to a therapist about her problems.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Nobody's bad to be honest. Good people--sane people--have toxic relationships. It's not about how you are as a person. It's about what you're doing in a relationship.
There's a phrase we use in the fictional verse. It's 'true character is revealed when your characters are in immense pressure and when they're forced to make choices in that kind of pressure.'
Maya cannot take pressure. She crumbles under it. She makes rash decisions and does wrong things. Her actions can be empathized with--people can say I understand why she did it--but they cannot be condoned.
Maya had no right to do what she did.
I may agree with the fact that Vandana treated her in the most abhorrent manner but by the end of it she too actively sought to part Arjun from his mother. She should've simply left that house and that would've been punishment enough for Vandana. But did Arjun deserve it?
Did Arjun deserve to be lied about his baby? (Assuming from the recent episodes there wasn't one)
Did Arjun deserve such lack of trust? He never emotionally or physically cheated on Maya. He should've never sought Saanjh or discussed his other problems with her but he was still trying his best to be with Maya. Maya never gave Arjun her trust or respect or his space. She should've tried to talk to him. Tried to explain that she was uncomfortable--that she was hurting. That is what you do. See no relationship is an easy sail. Sometimes your partner does things you hate. It is VERY NORMAL. Sometimes they're bestfriends with people you hate or get too angry or have a bad habit. You need to at least talk to them about it. Maya never did that. She didn't give Arjun a chance--ever--to explain his side. She issued ultimatums. Emotional blackmailing as well. In the scene where she didn't stop drinking the champagne. She should've instead talked to him.

Don't you see how toxic this relationship has been? For both of them? Maya needs medical help first and foremost. It is absolutely wrong to say that some other person is to blame for your actions. No. Whatever actions you and I take--they will always reflect on us. Not the people because of whom we're doing that. If someone does something to us--how we respond--is our character. We shouldn't stoop to their level. Ever. Whatever we do next is not on them. It's on us.

And moreover any normal girl in Maya's place would feel insecure and jealous after having witnessed all the tamasha of dusky and duffer on the her wedding day and holi day.

I agree. It is obvious that their intention was to highlight the fact that maya is bad for Arjun that she could make him isolated and what not. Not sure why they picked the most regressive way to do that. They could have come up with any other creative methods. I think in general Hindi shows relies too much on Pandit's and signs to show the future of a relationship. Maybe they think it appeals to the trp audience .

Originally posted by: sumz_d

How can you expect Maya to act as a normal person while facing pressure? Maya has never experienced the normal happy family life then how can we expect her to act rationally after facing people like VM Saanjh and Arjun?

Had this show been a normal show then Maya would be shown as an ideal bahu succumbing to VM's bitter words and getting treated as a doormat on yes shedding bucket loads of tears. The same old saas bahu saga that goes on in indian saas bahu show.

Maya has learnt the Tit for Tat way. Life has taught her the bitter way. She most probably had only faced rejection from the society and the way she handled was by retaliating. If a person treats her badly then she will also behave the same way. Although in VM's case Maya had tried her level best to win VM's heart by going extreme as falling on her feet like a normal ideal bahu would do in indian tv shows.

Once Maya reached her breaking point she retaliated regarding VM's behaviour.

Maya runs a million dollar company. Are you telling me she has not faced pressure and shown calmness in the face of adversity?
Another point like I said previously ^^^ you can empathize with her actions--like you're doing--say and understand that she's doing something because that's how she is but you cannot justify them by saying what she did is right. What she did isn't right under any circumstances. Which again proves the fact that this relationship is toxic and they need to part ways--both of them need to mature and grow up--and then come together.

Secondly I don't watch saas bahu shows and it's very ignorant of you to say that either a person would be like Maya or a total weepy. You can stand up for your self respect and maintain your dignity and still not cross the lines. In fact Beyhadh has made a point again and again to show that Maya's only doing all of this because she's not like the normal people. So if she were completely normal--like you and I--she would've suffered and wept and been docile? How is that message correct?

Bottomline is that your reasons cannot justify your actions. If a physically abused man or woman slaps/harasses their spouse will you say that it is justified and it was going to happen because their past is so and so? No you'll tell the person to leave this party and tell them to get help. Maya needs medical help. Not Arjun's love. Which is nonexistent at the moment anyway.

Originally posted by: BIaddict

I agree. It is obvious that their intention was to highlight the fact that maya is bad for Arjun that she could make him isolated and what not. Not sure why they picked the most regressive way to do that. They could have come up with any other creative methods. I think in general Hindi shows relies too much on Pandit's and signs to show the future of a relationship. Maybe they think it appeals to the trp audience .

Exactly. There are much subtle, clever ways of foreshadowing but this is the most regressive possible way and not just that but it glorifies such things and validates them.

Originally posted by: FleetingWishes.

Maya runs a million dollar company. Are you telling me she has not faced pressure and shown calmness in the face of adversity?
Another point like I said previously ^^^ you can empathize with her actions--like you're doing--say and understand that she's doing something because that's how she is but you cannot justify them by saying what she did is right. What she did isn't right under any circumstances. Which again proves the fact that this relationship is toxic and they need to part ways--both of them need to mature and grow up--and then come together.

Secondly I don't watch saas bahu shows and it's very ignorant of you to say that either a person would be like Maya or a total weepy. You can stand up for your self respect and maintain your dignity and still not cross the lines. In fact Beyhadh has made a point again and again to show that Maya's only doing all of this because she's not like the normal people. So if she were completely normal--like you and I--she would've suffered and wept and been docile? How is that message correct?

Bottomline is that your reasons cannot justify your actions. If a physically abused man or woman slaps/harasses their spouse will you say that it is justified and it was going to happen because their past is so and so? No you'll tell the person to leave this party and tell them to get help. Maya needs medical help. Not Arjun's love. Which is nonexistent at the moment anyway.