Originally posted by: kavsy
What about the fake tantrik in which he made Jhanvi write the murder confession. Maya had called Vandana mom though she has been torturing her but Arjun called Jhanvi as aunty. Yes, he married Maya on a short notice but he left the mandap in between, not once but twice. One is coz of Vandana and the other is because Saanjh sang that emotional song & gained his attention.
Explain something to me. How is leaving the mandap to hug your bestfriend equivalent of every act Maya has committed? Let's see what leaving the mandap proved. That he loved Saanjh over Maya? No. That he wasn't committed to Maya? No, he married her. That he was being callous to Maya? No, he was marrying her because he loved her! It wasn't only Maya's wedding. It was Arjun's wedding too. He never ever hid anything from her. He did it in front of her. It was as emotional a moment for him and Saanjh as it was for Maya. Are you saying when Ranbir's character in Ae dil hai mushkil sang that song to Alizay (Anushka) that he was trying to gain her attention? Why would you even say that? What does gaining attention even mean? What was she thinking? oh let me get Arjun away from the mandap, let me get some of his attention, maybe this final song will blow him over so much he will finally love me? Does her love and her friendship and her emotions don't count? Was it only Maya's wedding? Arjun ki shaadi toh thi hi nahi. His emotions didn't matter. Saanjh's emotions didn't matter? So basically if you love someone you have no right to feel anything for anyone else? Then friendship doesn't matter, nothing else matters? What do you even mean by gained his attention?😆
we gave him the benefit of doubt on those things. Suman always advised Saanjh to stay away from the couple but she never listened. She had screwed up Arya moments on that holy. Just imagine if any other man/woman applying the color to your spouse before you do. That is what Saanjh had done. If he really understood Maya's feelings he would have told Saanjh let Maya apply the color first.
What moments did she exactly ruin? This is the crux of problem right? She ruined arya moments and it became an Arjun-Saanjh moment. I have already answered this above ^^ She shouldn't have applied color to Arjun but IS THAT SUCH A BIG SIN AS YOU PEOPLE ARE MAKING IT TO BE? Uski hazaaron achaaian, sacrifices, good work, goodwilll all is gone in this one scene right? She's not allowed to make mistakes. She was stupid and careless in this scene but how does this make her a home-wrecker, s**t, mistress etc? What were her intentions? Only to color her bff. And what would Arjun have gained by telling her to not apply color on him when she has already done that? Who increases tension on a good festival for no reason? Why is he always supposed to understand Maya's feelings? In the same way why didn't Maya understand here that it was just subconsciously done on both their parts and if Arjun would've scolded her it would've just ruined moods? But saari understanding only Arjun and Saanjh have to show?
Even Maya told Saanjh a couple of times to be a friend within the limits. But when she does not listen to her own parents, what will she listen to Maya? So Maya had to resort to these things. She did make genuine efforts to win Vandana's heart but what did she get in return but for becoming her punching bag? Maya has manipulated but it was Arjun's decision to leave the family. The way he was saying that his dream of saying in a big house got fulfilled with a smirk which had shocked Jhanvi. He never had any genuine attachment towards Vandana from the beginning of the show. He had an ulterior motive behind leaving the house & his family. When Vikram asked him about becoming the boss within 6 months, he said, he believes big people believe in smart work. Not hard work. If you say that Arjun's flirting with the female office staff was a friendly one then he got jealous when Ayaan got over-friendly with her. In my opinion, he loved Maya's name, fame, & wealth more than her. Even if I take that he loved Maya, his love towards her or anyone else has been conditional. He will love a person as long they let him do what he wants whether right or wrong. In these 3 years there is much more resasond behinf this strained relationship. Yes, maya is mentally ill but Arjun is not a saint either.
Ligh purple: You are giving a subjective view whereas we have objective reasonings of the fact that he was always connected/attached to Vandana even when he hated her. He took care of her without telling her. If she pressed a shirt for him he wore it, he tried not to hurt her or do things for her without telling her. She affected him and he never left her. Then when he reconciled with her he did it with accepting his mistake and whole-heartedly apologizing for it and loving her. You are making a speculation. Is there a solid proof that he had ulterior motives? The same way people speculate that Maya could have murdered XYZ because of the hints. He said that home dialogue because Maya was constantly saying let's go back and he wanted her at ease--again I too am speculating here and he could've simply left to live in the penthouse--but he could have also simply got a bigger house for all of them and lived with all of them. He left because he can't handle his relationships and because he stood up for Maya. Also, let's say that he left to live in the bigger house, how is this connected with his love for Maya? This is about his character and his character flaws, not about his love for Maya or why this makes his relationship with her toxic? And if Maya had these concerns why didn't she pick them up with him? Why didnt she talk to him about it or just leave him? That's the point. This isn't a normal relationship where motives or boundaries matter. She wants him chained to her.
Dark Purple: I never said Arjun was a saint did I? My initial argument was this relationship is toxic and that they need to separate and Maya isn't letting him go. And you are also proving the same point. You possibly cannot say that they should stay together/end together after this right? At least not until he matures and she gets medical help.😆
RED: Let me get this straight. So you are saying that in our world if a woman has a husband and her husband has a bestfriend he loves more than his life. And he has told it to the woman. And the woman knows it and that bestfriend has done SO SO SO MUCH for this woman. Like so much, helping her, cleaning her wounds, supporting her, giving her warmth and love, booking her vacations from HER PAYCHECK, Standing up against the husband's mother again and again, going against her values for the wife and husband, telling the husband to give his wife surprises and help her and care for her, and all she does is--one mistake--one wrong action and you are saying if this happens you should go behind the husband's back and manipulate him and spike his drinks, etc, lie to him about a possible baby and separate him from his family and his wife?
So in this argument, you're saying if women wear short skirts and lap dance and wink at a man this gives him the right to go ahead and violate her? because A) She was the one instigating him and wearing those clothes B) she should have never provided him such instigation and goading?
The same way if somebody who's perfectly nice to you lies to you about something, you should go and not talk to them about it, but you should go and manipulate and destroy them?
Basically your main argument is that our actions don't reflect on us but they reflect on the people who somehow witouth even their own knowledge forced us to take these actions? So tomorrow a murderer can say it wasn't my fault, he/she forced me to do it! This is also the same argument rapists and other criminals give for their crimes.
You are saying for a single mistake like putting color on your bestfriend--or almost kissing him(she didn't kiss him! Doesn't that count? Doesn't her effort count? Why is she being blamed for something she didn't do? Then we should call Maya a killer too for almost driving on Saanjh and Vandana right? Because who cares if she stopped?) or dancing with him under extra alcohol induced state(we don't even know what she gave them. She could've given them a normal bhaang. Does the fact that they would've never ever done this in their conscious state because they both respect boundaries not matter?)--yeah so you are saying for these mistakes which are unintentional and you can simply talk about it, for these mistakes all their good deeds go to waste and that for these mistakes they should be punished and vindicated and their lives should be ruined is that what you're saying?
So let me ask you one final question. Just last question, don't answer anything else. Forget everything.
In a normal world if your spouse saves his bff and doesn't realize your hands were burned or goes to see his bff and tells her that he would never go back to his mom because she doesnt respect you and that he feels at ease with his bff you will consider it treachery, the highest of sins, and instead of talking to him, or communicating with him about your issues, you're saying that you should go behind his back, manipulate him and break his ties with his bff and family and also LIE to him in the process? This is what you should do?
JUST A YES OR NO. Is this what we should all do if this happens? Who wants to communicate, understand, trust right?
Is this normal behavior? If you say yes then you and I differ.
But if you say NO this is not normal behavior and SHE shouldn't do this, you are agreeing that this is abnormal, vindictive behavior and this is why This relationship is not normal and IT IS TOXIC.
I rest my case.
And definitely, let's agree to disagree.😆
I have said what I wanted. I think let's agree to disagree.
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