Birds And The Bees With Ishita & Shagun - Page 9

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Posted: 10 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-


Bang on, Aru! Raman needs to be shaken too, and in a similar manner. Doing IT is not just for babies, he, out of all the people, should know that.

This track also reminds me of Vandu's pregnancy. She got pregnant accidentally, which means Vandu & Bala are a normal couple who were doing IT like it was a part of their daily life 😆 😆 And here we have IshRa, whose physical relationship has been the talk of town ever since they got married, from the Param kaand till today, and they haven't budged an inch 😆 😆



Dont wanna jump the guns but the precap does seem to be indicating just that - that Raman is about to be jolted too
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Posted: 10 years ago
#82
I kinda agree to your post Aani. But I'd still prefer if the talk didn't come from Shagun. With her monologue after the venom spitting, she made it clear that it was tough love that she was showing which totally ruined the concept of tough love for me. St. Shagun helping abused women was one thing- she trying to push Ishita to be sexually active with Raman is totally on some unworldly level. I'm still having trouble digesting that.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: AroraTanya



Bang on. Despo Raman was soo desperate for physical intimacy and now khotte Raman doesn't want his wife. No wonder Raman is the favorite escape goat for ALL.

Had it been real life, the amount of effort Raman has put in last 8 months to make Ishita comfortable around him and shed her invisible inhibitions yet hardly his efforts have been reciprocated, the marriage would end in divorce by now. It's as simple as that.


Well said
Raman was always ready to take the next step ,it was only ishita
Who has other priorities other than her husband
For example gifting her bedroom,mummy ji ya ruhi will come ,there were always excuses from ishita and in all this what can Raman do?
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Posted: 10 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: OnePiece


Aani, wonderful post👏👏👏. It is always a treat to read your posts and the title is so apt😆😆Agree with the most part especially her convo with the doctor.

Hi Hema and thanks 😊



Before I update, want to let you know that I haven't seen the episode and do not intend to watch it anytime soon. My writeup is purely based on the WU. So, please to correct me if I misunderstood any part.😳


Sure and hope you see the episode, dont go by the WU 😳 sometimes things are lost in translation

As you said, the truth had to come out one day or the other and the mirror had to be shown to IshRa. I say IshRa because of the simple reason that this is something that needs to be heard by both and not just Ishita. Nevertheless, I can't digest the fact that this came through that one person from whom Ishita shouldn't have heard - Shagun. I agree that there cannot be a better person who knows what Raman is in this aspect of their life but that doesn't mean she could boast about it in front of his current wife whatever her intentions may be. There could be 2 possible outcomes of this - either Ishita would consider taking their relationship ahead all by herself or she would drown in this insult and could go back into her shell. We all know how Ishita is insecure about her womanhood and her inhibitions when it comes to intimacy. It was after many endeavours by both Raman and Ishita that she is at this stage that now she is herself willing to plunge into the territory which was considered unbreachable by her at one point of time. These words by Shagun could result in her insecurities coming to the fore again which she overcame with great efforts and backtrack her steps. I would want to look at this perspective merely due to Shagun's statement as to how Raman doesn't desire Ishita as a woman and haven't touched her over the past one and half years whereas with Shagun, he was all over her.

I understand that yes both need to be shaken here and believe that Ass will do that to Raman today. As for your words about this having an adverse effect on Ishita, I concur that could have happened too but then perhaps that too would have had the outcome necessary for them to have the talk - if Ishita had retreated into a shell, it would have been apparent on some level and Raman who has other problems at hand might have initially not noticed them BUT in the absence of their family surrounding them always and his own admission he has no one but her how could that have been prolonged, so either way it could have been a win-win, only be thankful she didnt get depressed else this already slow journey would have been slowed down even more



I see traces of this in the latter part of the episode where she says that Raman isn't interested in taking her to the party as she feels he doesn't fancy her. This stems from the hurtful words hurled at her by Shagun. Until now, she knows Raman wants her and might have never even considered all the baby talks that he does whenever he speaks about taking their relationship to the next level. But after this, what if she starts believing that Raman wants to do IT only for the sake of baby? What if she really feels that he doesn't crave for her as a woman? Wouldn't that be disastrous? Also, when it comes to ex-es there would be a sense of insecurity or uncomfortableness associated whether it is a man or a woman. So, Ishita would always be anxious around her. When such a woman is speaking to her about something which is lacking in her life, there are bound to be unforeseen consequences which could prove to be catastrophic.


I concur, that was anger talking there, she even blews some steam and stormed at that random taxi driver, which was no filler - it was to show her state of mind, how a usually calm Ishita is incredibly angry and hearing Raman always talk about babies has made her think he wants to do it for purely that one reason, so when Shagun said he used to be all over her that had to hurt, cause indirectly what Shagun said was you want a baby when your husband doesnt even touch you but when he was with me he wouldnt keep his hands off me and we didnt always do it for making babies

If it was from someone like Vandita, then the chances of Ishita backtracking would almost be nil. And I would have appreciated that. The sisters share an excellent bond and if the words were a little harsh and rude too, they would do only good. It's just that I can't make myself to hear them from Shagun and that is my only complaint.😳


Sometimes you need to hear some really crude things too Hema, and Vandu could not have been as crude as was needed, like I have said earlier to Gan and even Aru, even her focus is on baby making when she talks with Ishita and not about if Ishita even has a sex life with Raman at all, which is what was discussed yesterday

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Posted: 10 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Loveforlife

Shagun's words though harsh were required. And only Shagun could make Ishita angry and rebellious. If they had come from her sister etc in form of a lecture it wouldn't have made any impact on Ishita.

As for what Ishita aside to the doctor, previously I too would search a deeper meaning to the dialogues. But later I realised most of the time the characters literally ment what they said.. 😆


Thanks Raveena for the comment, as for the lines bit - well sometimes they are writing as they sleep sometimes they have epiphanies and moments of brilliance too 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: DivAniTanni

Nice analysis.
Nothing more to put from my side.

Aani...your analyses are always deep and find the hidden meaning. Great job.

BTW, I expected ful2sh negativity in forum after the episode...about you know whom😉😆!!



Thanks Tanni and well is bashing new here - one day its Ishita next Raman thats all that changes - rarely its both
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Posted: 10 years ago
#87

Originally posted by: -Atii-

Like I said in the LU, I agree with everything you've stated. Amazing write up. Love the title 😆 and Good you made a post about it.


Thanks Atii 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: Megher_Palok

Awesome post :) I liked d epi, Ishita badly needed this wake up call and as much bizarre as it looks when all this comes from shagun, as you said she's d only one could pull d trigger. It has affected Ishita at d right place, now hope they'll give a proper closure.



thanks Megher 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: vidya.anand

This is a very different take on the episode and the conversations Aani...Kudos for taking that effort to post it for us.👍🏼

I dont know if I wanted SHagun to become a mahaan all of a sudden and do all this act just to make Ishra unite as husband and wife but yes, as you said, someone had to do it and we should thank God that they didnt make Ruhi say all that. Given the history of YHM and its so called 'different matured' show tag, we shouldnt be surprised by that too.


Hi Vidya thanks and exactly, I would have thrown up, literally if that had come from Ruhi, so thank heavens for small mercies right? 😆

Anyways, I have similar questions of why Raman never makes a move on that direction. Ishita's conversation with the doctor was just to reveal or give a little insight into why they havent consummated so far. Obviously, she couldnt have told the doctor about the silly reasons of why it failed each time they tried to do it...CVs ko hi silly lag raha hoga.

Exactly, what was Ishita supposed to say to the doc - you see it started in 2013, when I met a child called Ruhi and then taken it from there... 😆😆😆

And yes, Ishita never once tried to shy away or protest to his moves. Every single time, they were stopped by some interruption from the family and it had nothing to do with her not cooperating with him.


Totally, I dont know how are people saying Ishita runs away - like when did that happen - is there a parallel universe which has YHM that airs different episodes than the ones I watch? If so I say upload them please I can always watch more IshRa, even when they make me mad 😆😆😆

And Raman needs a big lecture too about why he chooses to be in a boot camp[As Paru terms it]. Why isnt he the same Raman who used to be all over Shagun? Why does he want to do it just for the sake of having another baby? Whats stopping him from just doing IT? He needs a lecture just to make him introspect into his own line of thoughts about the idea of making love to his own wife whom he vouches to love more than his own life? 😃 Now that Shagun did it for Ishita, probably Ashok can do that lecture and advice to Raman...😉

LOL love the term , think he is about to get one from Ass from the precap and yeah he needs to stop saying lets have a baby and say lets have sex we will see and take things from there as and when they happen

Lets just hope that all this is an effort to close the loops they left open, and things that were stopped midway, abruptly 😆😉

Amen

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Posted: 10 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: -kri-

Beautiful write up Aani... After Saturday's epi, i didn't have courage at sit at 7.30 last night... But my bad luck, it turned out to be fabulous... Yes, i can't stand this Shagun but i will also agree that she is making YHM interesting... Unless she becomes surrogate mom, i can put up with her.


First of all, i am amazed at the fact that cv's managed to show bold content at this slot once again. As you quoted, Ishita has already made the move and responded when Raman made the move. Even after that, things are not working between them. Raman desires this woman but somewhere, he faltered in thinking that Ishita needs more time when Ishita is waiting for him to make the move. This small MU is never going to end until someone blurts its out. Shagun gave that much needed push. I don't think its for someone or the other here. Basically, it was a brilliant move. Let us see if cv's manage to weave a beautiful track.


This track still indicates how Ishita wants her kid in her womb. Hope they manage to show it.



Hey Kri, how are you?

Well like her or hate her, she is gonna be around, so make peace with the fact

And I am surprised pleasantly so that they could go there in this slot because I thought hey everyone is talking about baby, but no one is talking about sex,...finally it happened last night

The MU and lack of communication between them is also a reason for the flunk as well as the focus on baby making but lets see how they end this track and yeah Ishita is not yet thinking of surrogacy how could she, she knows they havent even tried yet much less failed

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