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Posted: 10 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: Nichuss

Aani i agree to all u said on the post...

if i ignore the fact it was said by shaggy...
the epsd was so valued and matured...
ishita needs a reality check...
family doesnt mean kids hubby inlaws...
there is more to private life of couples... that was smartly said by shagun...
it would have been better if simi or vandu akka said...

anyways... now just i am waiting for all the after effects... of this
lecturing on reality... 😳

as vids said thank god they didnt used RUHI to explain ths mature talk
of couples...
my only anger towards this track is involvement of Ruhi... just got so much
irritated n frustrated...

kids will ask for sibbling... bt tey dont go n meet doctor with piggybank...
or parents /family not careless to see whr thr kid is missing...

this one think tuk all my connection with YHM... its like just a timepass for me now...

hope to see a gud closure...



thanks Nichhs
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Posted: 10 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: Anu_IshraDivan

Thank you for this post Aani..
Kudos to your efforts to analyze the episode so brilliantly.
It definitely made me see the episode through a better angle.

Hi Anu and thanks, I try not to rely on LU or WU anywhere really since things are lost in translation at times😳 not saying that people who update on LU do it on purpose or something, I have been active there myself in the 11 pm slot, but somehow the way scenes are worded can sometimes not be giving you the same effect as the scene itself.


After reading the LU, I was beyond disgusted with the way this way done. Shagun being made the new saint to motivate IshRa or rather Ishita towards IT. But if we see it now, I guess she really is the one who has that power. Only she can hurt Ishita as a woman, a woman who is married and yet to take the first step in their marriage. Given the fact that Shagun happens to be Her Husbands ex wife, who has obviously shared intimacy with HER husband in their past so its bound to be a blow in her gut for her. Specially when the woman asserts on the fact that, he was man with desires and couldn't keep hands off her. Unfortunately, Ishita hasn't seen that side of him yet, where he just wants HER.

Exactly, last night was an episode about SEX, it was about the importance of sex and sexual intimacy between a couple and though it could have happened with Ishita having a conversation with her amma, vandu, her mil or even Simi but no one could have hurt her like Shagun did because they would have been considerate and perhaps given tips to seduce hubby, but not put a finger on the nerve of things so to speak that think later about having a baby, start having sex in the first place.


Minus the baby making now and the previous times it was backed by a reason, so she just hasn't seen the desiring side of him yet... Holi was an exception where there were desires but still it had that one hitting point when he mentioned Adi. So till now she really hasn't had reasons to over come the fact that, he really wants her without conditions. So just to be on the lighter side, her words were just out of frustration that she fails to excite her husband otherwise. But, i am glad she is going to take that step tomorrow though sadly once again its going to end up no where with her efforts being shunned thanks to Assok and the crap he will implicate in Puttars mind.


Exactly the only time Raman did it out of desire was on Holi, make a move on Ishita but then too he mentioned Adi and since they never talked why he had to have Adi to take this step in the back of her mind it could have been taken as would he have not made the move if we never had had Adi back in this home?

Coming to Puttar..I won't ever deny that he has expressed his love for her endlessly, he obviously madly in love with her.. but when it comes to expressing..he has done it verbally but when it comes to intimacy, there always has been a reason behind it, Its sad but true. It was the Adi factor before, the papers next and now its all about Baby making. They love each other too much, everyone knows but its for them to know it now that intimacy should not be conditional. So for her to hear about how her husband was sexually active with his ex wife without any reasons are bound to hit her hard. And they did. Good. If this is not love, i cannot think of what else it is. As a lot of times its been said, she doesn't love him, well why will she care of how sexually active he was with his ex wife if she didn't love him. Atleast i wouldnt cry my heart out if i didn't care or love the person. 😛

Yeah, Raman saying baby, baby always made it seem like he wants to do it just so he can have a child with her but nothing beyond that since the previous times he went close to her, once he had I have my son back and the second it was to distract her, perhaps his guilt about the second time has stopped him from making a move again but it has to be out. Also, a woman would go that mad only when she is so much in love with a man and not otherwise, its not that she doesnt know he has slept with Shagun, she does...but thinking about it too is painful, hearing it is a thousand times worse.


Yes, he needs the jolt too and i am guessing it comes to him in the forms of Ashok's manipulating which may lead to a heated argument between the 2 finally leading to it. MAYBE! Deep down i know I am a fool to be expecting, but..Old habits die hard..

You arent alone in expecting let me tell you that 😳

The other aspects of the episode were brilliantly analyzed by the experts here, so i wont even bother trying. I love the other versions! 😳

Somewhat looking forward to how this is taken forwars, minus the Assok being The-Same-Old-Sickminded-Creep once again. Whatever leads to that and what follows later.. Never mind!

Once again, thank you so much for the Superb post Aani. Lovely title! 😃😳

Thanks Anu for the comment and glad the title is being loved 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: beckysharp

Hi Aani, as I said yesterday, wonderful comments. I re-read them today. They make so much sense. The comments that I saw on the LU thread yesterday, I dreaded that the episode must have been a horror. Though I still could not bring myself to watch it.

I agree with Aru and Vidya. If ishita needed a reality check, the harsh cruel mirror being shown to her, so does Raman. Though I hate it that Shagun is the one who is showing this mirror to ishita, it does make sense !
If as Shagun said, Raman was very physical with her, why and what is stopping Raman from taking the next step with Ishita, the woman he claims to love ?
As for the coming episodes, I am dreading them. Why does a woman need to be molested time and again ? Ishita has been molested twice already ! why are the writers taking this so lightly ?



Hi Becky, thanks a lot.😊

I dont know yet about the molestation bit hope that has some purpose though right now I dont see what it is 😕

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Posted: 10 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: EkPaheli



Hey Kri, how are you?

Well like her or hate her, she is gonna be around, so make peace with the fact

And I am surprised pleasantly so that they could go there in this slot because I thought hey everyone is talking about baby, but no one is talking about sex,...finally it happened last night

The MU and lack of communication between them is also a reason for the flunk as well as the focus on baby making but lets see how they end this track and yeah Ishita is not yet thinking of surrogacy how could she, she knows they havent even tried yet much less failed


I am good Aani. Hope things are good at your end.

Yes, Shagun will always be there till the end. So, i have convinced myself but surrogacy... No yaar... I really really believe that cv's won't kill their baby to bring Ishra's baby into the soap.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: Pooja_Chavan

I have almost finished reading all the posts here and I'm surprised to know that Raman is being primarily held responsible for not getting physically intimate with Ishita! If I'm not mistaken it is the same Raman who had been labelled as DESPO in the forum again and again because he couldn't resist his sex drive. From last seven to eight months, Raman mostly had one thing in his mind and one thing to do on the show other than shouting and barking at his wife---how to find a way to romance with his biwi. It was Ishita who always shied away and the reason behind Ishita's reluctance was termed as the results of her insecurities from the past.



Hi Pooja


Well Raman might have been called despo and a lot of other things, have seen it in topic titles enough to not read those posts, but I am not one of those people who has ever called him that, so yeah that cannot be laid at my doorstep.

When I say Raman is not making a move here, in the right direction I mean him saying lets have a baby talk that he keeps chanting, knowing Ishita can perhaps not get pregnant, shouldnt that be the one thing he should not have said when they havent even been sexually active as of yet? A couple has this talk but once they have established their sexual life - the lets plan a kid now, but you dont establish your sex life just to have a chiild now do you? There' where I find Raman' fault in this whole mess.

Also when has Ishita shied away - on holi, the night he tried to steal the papers or recently when she wore only a shirt for him or later when at home she practically threw herself at him wearing that nighty, she was even very happy to go to that suite with him the night the earthquake happened, earlier than that Raman had asked her is she ready and she had said yes, in clear precise words...so how is that Ishita shying away...she is shy but she has never backed off - those are two different things

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ok, let us consider that Raman's baby talk with Ishita before having done IT is a wrong from his side...But then when was she shown to be disappointed or insecure by it...what was stopping Ishita from opening up to him if at all she feared about the least chances to have a baby, when he was so openly talking to her about the very matter? ...Was she intending to take everything to extreme and then spill her insecurities, rather than nip it in the bud and save herself, Raman, Ruhi and others from a possible heartbreak when their hopes perish...Each n every time Raman had a baby talk she was just smiling n blushing and with Ruhi expressing the same wish she was instantly ready to meet a doctor...So, the Cv's themselves was unsure of Ishita's reaction to baby talks and never made her look feeling insecure...

And yesterday all of a sudden the cv's made Ishita say some awful dialogues to the doc and the next moment she gets hurt with Shagun's words and assume that Raman was never interested in her as a woman...That is why I still say yesterday's episode was disappointing because of insensible and untimely execution...Untimely because even 50% of Ishita's reactions yesterday was long due and would have been acceptable at several earlier occasions...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: -Anku-

So I shouldn't ever rant about the episode before I actually see it 😆 And I've realized how the written update doesn't give the entire picture to the episode.



😆 thats a good lesson Anku, trust me what you read and what you see sometimes differ drastically though in essence the words say what happened you dont get the same feel as when you watch it

After seeing the episode, my view regarding it has changed. Earlier I was disappointed but now, I think its quiet a feat that in its own subtle way YHM touched on a very important issue yesterday. The need of physical intimacy in a married couple/relationship.


I am glad that you changed your mind since I got this comment 😛 and yeah they touched an issue that is basically a taboo in India, everyone can ask about a baby as it happens on the show and in reality too to a couple, but no one wants to talk about sex

After reading Ishita's words in the WU, it seemed that she didn't want to take the relation ahead or was okay by it not moving in that path. But after watching the episode, I totally get where Ishita comes from. What she told the doctor was what anyone would say in this position. After all IshRa haven't had the most normal relation have they? It took them ages to get over the dislike for each other, then took a lot more time to form the understanding, trust and friendship they have and all the more to realize and profess their love. So in all the drama in their life they skipped a few steps of a normal relation that any other ordinary couple wouldn't have.

Exactly how are you supposed to discuss your personal problems with your doc, that they havent had sex had to be said but why, not that is a different thing altogether.


Like you pointed out that whenever Raman has made an advance Ishita never backed out. She responded and she made sure he knew she was willing. But I think that the lack of interest of either in that sense needs a jolt. There is no doubt that Raman has dropped hints and tried many a times to get physically closer to Ishita but there's never been an open conversation about it, never been stated that they're going to be intimate because they desire each other. Whenever they talk, its about a baby. Honestly if that was repeatedly mentioned for a reason, I hope they do something about it now. Where they discuss how they desire each other and aren't going to take a step ahead merely for a baby but because their relation needs it. I for one kept thinking that they're just trying to get in baby talks because they can't mention a consummation in the literal sense. But if they could so boldly talk about it yesterday, they can obviously have a similar conversation for the couple.

I hope the couple does talk about it if Ishita and Shagun can have that scene and while they have talked about a child, they never have talked about sex - like I said there' talk about destination not the journey itself which is needed and if a woman is made to feel like her husband will touch her only to have a baby what is that supposed to make her feel like? They need to have a heart to heart


Ishita needed a reality check. Yes relations need the love to be expressed in words, but they need to be expressed in other ways too. And just saying you love someone is not enough for an entire life time. It isn't like Ishita never thought of that, she obviously did. But the taunt by Shagun who is Raman's ex wife and knows him, his desires more personally will shake her up to be more of a woman than just a wife, daughter in law and mother.

Yeah, they have invested themselves so much in the roles of mom, dad, son, daughter, DIL etc, etc, that they have not really had the time to be a couple in the real sense of the term, which is why this was a much needed reality check

Similarly Raman needs a jolt too. He's gone into a comfortable situation with Ishita and is okay with it. He desires her, there's no doubt about that either like there isn't about Ishita. He's made that obvious. But when he talks to her, he always mentions a child even though he doesn't mean he only wants her for a child. But he needs to tell her otherwise, especially now when she's going to be reeling under insecurities after Shagun's words and the incident at the party. Like Ishita was shaken up, tonight Raman will. He will see Ishita try and mould herself into something he hasn't ever expected out of her. And his insecurities of losing her would rise and make him territorial.

I so hope that happens too Anku, Raman needs to stop the focus on baby and divert it to them, Ishita and himself for them to start their married life as a couple ought to have and I so would love to see that


This is exactly what happens if a relation isn't complete in every sense. Insecurities do rise and the relation is questioned by the two people itself. It's not that the people involved do not trust the other but when you have baggage and it's rattled with, you tend to behave out of character, which is what both Ishita and Raman will.


Eventually this push is needed for them to come closer, say their every feeling out loud and express their love physically and not just verbally.

Totally!

Lastly - I think that it's only Shagun whose words would affect Ishita and make her think in that direction. Had it been anyone else she wouldn't care because that someone wouldn't be her husband's ex-wife who knows him in a sense no one does. Although to be honest I can't connect to Shagun's goodness. I would have, had the change been shown. One day she was a guilty mother who still hated the woman who had it all (Ishita) and a few weeks later she's a saint who wants to bring happiness in the same woman's life? When and how did the change happen? I am okay with her saying what she did because it was needed. But why the change? I can't relate to it.


Dont question too many things Anku you would flip your lid 😆 just take things as they come, if Rinki can become a vamp all of a sudden, Shagun can change too, just go with the flow

But I am glad I saw the episode, I could relate to it, found it very mature in a way and if this is how they'll approach the consummation I'll be happier. Waiting to see what jolt Raman is going to bear to push him forward now.


BRILLIANT POST Aani. It's a post that gives a totally different light to the episode that could be taken in any way.

Thanks Anku and I loved your post 😃


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Posted: 10 years ago
#98

Originally posted by: --mancityfan--

I am sorry to say aani I don't agree and I find some of responses trying to pin all the blame of lack of intimacy on Raman hilarious as he has already tried multiple times to move ahead by booking rooms to condoms but most of the time ishita has backed out due to other priorities and now I guess he has given up trying to give time to ishita


I am not saying Raman is not trying Vyas and you may feel free to disagree but throwing a condom is not the same as telling your wife, that I wanna make love to you...also Ishita backed out on Holi, the night Raman stole the papers? When - on holi, they were interrupted by Ruhi, Ishita didnt run away by saying chhodo Raman or some other 60' line and the night he stole papers her fracture was in the way but before that she was very willing.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: --mancityfan--

I also as a guy find this spin bowling which happens here of females are always right laughable no wonder writers write absurd tracks trying to show females in good light


As for females being right and males wrong, that is upto the writers and it happens on all shows Vyas, TV is a woman' medium while movies are said to be a male domain sadly nothing can be done about it by either of us
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: rpatz

completely agree with you,raman is trying to get intimate with Ishita from many months now
but ishita backed off due to other priorities.
here people putting blame on raman is hilarious


Holi, the night she had a fracture - when exactly did she back off and how? I have got to find me the episodes of this parallel universe where Ishita runs away man!

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