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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sophee

Lovely post Redwine 👏 And yes kudos to the writers for such a powerful episode. The powers that be in the show really go the full length for the finale of their tracks, don't they 😊 Phir bhalle the journey to that episode may be bumpy, end aisa karta hain ke hum dung reh jate hain. So a big round of applause to them for an episode that will probably go down as one of the best in YHM.

In addition to the script, it was full of stellar performances...from Shagun's desperation to Mihir's angst and Raman's closure, everyone did justice to their roles. After showing us an episode like Friday where Ishita was hellbent on making Sanjana Mihir's sister and it seemed we were watching a comedy show rather than YhM, we got a gem of an episode last night.

I loved everything about last night's episode from it's start. But of course the highlight was the balcony scene 😳 AndI also don't see any Mahanta in Raman's decision or his becoming an Ishita clone. He finally did today what he should have done years ago, accepted that Shagun and him were not meant to be and in fact that is what was best for him because he deserved better. Man proposes, God disposes. You cannot escape your destiny and yes life treats no one unjustly. Those dialogues given to Raman for two minutes describe the gist of what life is all about and the writers penned them down perfectly. How can you move on in life if you don't let go of your past. Raman now wants Mihir to do what he started to do post the party bench convo with Ishita. And Ishita claiming Raman as Mera Raman does not mean that she is responsible for this change. Raman has always been a good, decent human being. A fact that Mr Iyer saw before he married his daughter to him and Bala saw soon after he got married to his favorite saali/sister. It was only Ishita who had to realise that her Aam was kachcha and not rotten the way she believed him to be. And last night she also witnessed what a gem she's married to and why Mihir is so devoted to his Raman Bhai.

His forgiving Shagun was not out of some Mahanta but for the simple fact that people who do not matter in your life should not be given the power to hurt you also. So just let the past be and let it go. Quite a few people did not like his reference to her as the mother of his children and that he would be upset if she was called by indecent names. Well that is a humane thing to do, koi ghair ke liye bhi woh lafz sunna nahin chahe ga, yeh tu phir bhi uss ke bachchon ki maa hai! And yes like he said, that is an undeniable fact that she is the mother of his children. Plus now is the first time that Ashok has shown some inclination towards marrying her, so the fact that she was living as his keep for the last six years and was not bothered by it is redundant. She had no choice! So now if there is a chance and her family can make it possible for her, then being a brother Mihir will have to do his bit. Blood ties are like that...despite all your differences you cannot deny the cord connection. And it's not as if she hasn't suffered for her choices. Hence the use of Bechari by Raman.

The other thing that made me happy was the fact that nobody made an issue with Raman for hiding this. In my opinion this was Mihir's secret, his prerogative. And Raman was simply honouring his friend's wishes. So was glad to see that Ishita and Iyers saw it for what it was. Sorry about the length ot the response! I got carried away 😳



Thank u Sophee ..🤗

please don't apologise for the length of the post ... in the LU i posted the link much before i wrote my post simply coz this was as u said a BIG EPISODE in YHM .. & was sure each & every lover of the show would want to speak in their own way about the BIG STEP that was taken or rather the big milestone that was achieved ...

from Dec 3, 2013 .. we saw a man who was BROKEN by his past ... a man who carried the weight of his past ... a man who couldn't let go of his past .. a man who measured everything that happened to him whether good or bad with the yardstick of the past ..

This man met a woman .. who was as bruised as him .. whose own self belief was shattered .. this woman who was rejected by love .. actually rose to love .. she had the power & the depth to love completely without conditions ...

The healing process started for the 2 .. as they came to know the other .. their past wounds started to heal ... but each held on to their past ... even as they healed ..
They unknowingly even started caring for the other .. they gravitated towards each other .. but they never let go of their past ...

She could not trust her heart to another man only for it to be thrown back in her face as a Half an organ ... he could not open his heart to love coz .. for him love was all encompassing ..

Tonite as they faced each other .. they saw ..

Ishita saw ... how raman even though was dealt the most amazing betrayal .. today was moving on towards a new life .. wanting to open his life to happiness & love
Raman saw ... how ishita even though she was betrayed to in the worst possible way .. she carried no hatred towards her past ..

They actually healed each other ... & drew the confidence from the other to move on ...

The bench scene ...

a lot of people have written that was the resolution of the past .. but i have a slightly different lens to it ..i had written the same when i had analysed the episode as well ...here goes ...

Just a day or two before the bench scene ... Vandu shows a sonography of her second child to raman & ishita ...she was hoping for a daughter this time .. she was hoping to complete her family ...
The next moment ... u see raman & ishita on that bench .. yes she brought out his past .. but he circumvented it ... they discussed their kids ... yes kids .. it was the first time .. ADI was introduced as a kid of RAMAN & ISHITA BHALLA .. he was part of the family ..

Ishita ... was shown a "sonography" as well ... she was shown her second kid .. a son .. who would complete her family ... like vandu .. she was yet to bring that child into her family ... but the child had taken birth in her heart that night ...

That episode IMHO .. was not about resolution of past .. it was of COMPLETING THE FAMILY ...

It was WE ARE FAMILY ... 😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
#42
Beautiful post as usual. I do follow your post but never commented!! I loved yesterday's episode. I love the way how you dissect each and every dialogue and bring a new meaning to it which as a viewer I wouldnt have thought about it. For me letting go of the past is very important. I just cant keep grudges on anyone even though the person has hurt me. I dont find any mahanta in Raman and Ishita to forgive Shagun and let her live her life. Yes we know Shagun is very selfish and she will be coming back to IshRa with new demand again and again. But till now Raman had always hated her and his reactions towards Shagun's demands were regressive as he wasnt able to think with cool head. Now with the help of Ishita he has let his past go off and they together as your title says will be able to resolve the issues or demands which she creates.
I would just like to quote my real life incident as an example though this is nowhere related to Raman-Shagun relationship but just want to convey the underline message. I and my husband were college mates. We had a group of 4 and we were together everywhere till the end of our course. But for some reasons my husband and other guy who was close to us had some misunderstanding due to which my husband stopped talking to him. Its been 8 years and he has not spoken to him till now. The problem I face is since he has not letting his past go, he hates to discuss our college life as the other friend will be there in most of our adventures which we did in college. Relating this to Raman, I feel he will not be able to cherish the memories of his children's birth without forgiving Shagun as she will be there through out his memories. I can totally relate to Ishita when she says to forget and forgive the past. Hope I made sense😊
Definitely credit should go to Sonali mam for writing this story beautifully!!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks for the wonderful analysis on the episode👏. I really loved the way this issue was handled by both Ishita and Raman. Mihir was the star last night!⭐️


Ishita being Ishita would ofcourse want Mihir to patch up with Shagun and would advice to forgive her and move on.

But Raman's conversation with Mihir, was the highlight of yesterday's episode. Raman had truly changed under the careful guidance of Ishita and had finally moved on from Shagun👍🏼. He saw the practicality of Shangun leaving him from her perspective and also sympathized with her current predicament with Ashok. He understood that all Shagun wants was to marry Ashok and then she would leave them be and after wasting 6yrs of her life with Ashok, she deserved to be happy again and move on like he did👏. Mihir forgiving Shagun and helping her get married to Ashok would bring closure in their lives. Loved everything Raman said to Mihir last night! And Ishita finally saying that he is HER Raman now was also very rightly put. Dialogues last night were just amazing. The actors did a wonderful job too!⭐️
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

sophee and ruby beautifully put it together.

The true definition of "Forgive" is: stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake.

the definition differs slightly depending on the dictionary but the gist of the word is same. No one is saying that Mihir and raman have to be okay with shagun's presence or be okay for what she has done, but it is important to lay the past to rest and come to peace with it. Today I saw a huge burden be lifted off raman's shoulder. yes he was over shagun a while ago but today he has finally come to peace with what destiny has given him.



Yes. Last night was Raman's acknowledgement that fate did him a favour by getting Shagun out of his life. And it is best to let bygones be bygones. Plus they've had six years to come to terms with it so no need to add further misery and lose more precious time. Loved it when he said that despite you hating someone, if you are destined to be together, you can't escape (my take was he alluded to Ishita here) and no matter how much you love someone, the tighter you want to hold them, they will slip out (Shagun, where he tried his best to not let her leave him).
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: redwine1



Thank u Sophee ..🤗

please don't apologise for the length of the post ... in the LU i posted the link much before i wrote my post simply coz this was as u said a BIG EPISODE in YHM .. & was sure each & every lover of the show would want to speak in their own way about the BIG STEP that was taken or rather the big milestone that was achieved ...

from Dec 3, 2013 .. we saw a man who was BROKEN by his past ... a man who carried the weight of his past ... a man who couldn't let go of his past .. a man who measured everything that happened to him whether good or bad with the yardstick of the past ..

This man met a woman .. who was as bruised as him .. whose own self belief was shattered .. this woman who was rejected by love .. actually rose to love .. she had the power & the depth to love completely without conditions ...

The healing process started for the 2 .. as they came to know the other .. their past wounds started to heal ... but each held on to their past ... even as they healed ..
They unknowingly even started caring for the other .. they gravitated towards each other .. but they never let go of their past ...

She could not trust her heart to another man only for it to be thrown back in her face as a Half an organ ... he could not open his heart to love coz .. for him love was all encompassing ..

Tonite as they faced each other .. they saw ..

Ishita saw ... how raman even though was dealt the most amazing betrayal .. today was moving on towards a new life .. wanting to open his life to happiness & love
Raman saw ... how ishita even though she was betrayed to in the worst possible way .. she carried no hatred towards her past ..

They actually healed each other ... & drew the confidence from the other to move on ...

The bench scene ...

a lot of people have written that was the resolution of the past .. but i have a slightly different lens to it ..i had written the same when i had analysed the episode as well ...here goes ...

Just a day or two before the bench scene ... Vandu shows a sonography of her second child to raman & ishita ...she was hoping for a daughter this time .. she was hoping to complete her family ...
The next moment ... u see raman & ishita on that bench .. yes she brought out his past .. but he circumvented it ... they discussed their kids ... yes kids .. it was the first time .. ADI was introduced as a kid of RAMAN & ISHITA BHALLA .. he was part of the family ..

Ishita ... was shown a "sonography" as well ... she was shown her second kid .. a son .. who would complete her family ... like vandu .. she was yet to bring that child into her family ... but the child had taken birth in her heart that night ...

That episode IMHO .. was not about resolution of past .. it was of COMPLETING THE FAMILY ...

It was WE ARE FAMILY ... 😳


I agree with your analysis of that conversation Ruby. That was the night when Ishita made Raman realise that she has married him and that means everything attached to him is as much as her responsibility as his. Yes Ruhi was the means of that connection but his family and that includes Adi also come with it. In addition to that, in my opinion she also made him see how destructive his hate for Shagun really was. And that is when he started his journey of letting the past go and stay where it deserves to be. They had finally come to a stage where despite her lecturing, Raman began to understand where Ishita was coming from. Hence his insistence the next morning that she will also accompany him for the blood tests, as much as for his support as for Shagun to see that they were a unit now in the true sense. Ishita was no longer a nanny for Ruhi that he had brought home.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The script did take a FULL CIRCLE TODAY .. the story of Raman & Ishita started when each of them said .. they would marry .. but there would be no relations between them .. today ... every relation of theirs is JOINED ..
Its ironical how life has moved a full circle for these two .. the slate is wiped clean ... now all they need to do is CRAFT THEIR OWN LOVE STORY IN THEM ... 😳

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nothing more to say...

shadow is replaced with sunshine in his n his family
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Posted: 10 years ago
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put together some barely coherent words on page 1 at last 😳
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Finally... Finished and updated on page 1. 😃
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli


Two women linked to one man both as different as chalk and cheese - day and night - both ultimately hoping and seeking the same thing - closure - one so that she may start her life, their life anew with him; the other so that her existence may get a validation.


Aani.. Awesomely summarized.. 👏
the lines above take the cake tho..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: btalwar

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Ruby ... one line in your entire post stands out ... It is ...

This post is dedicated to SONALI JAFFAR ... take a bow lady ... u delivered in spades ... & a humble thank u ...

Absolutely true ... my entire thought is dedicated to this woman ... today .. my brilliant goes to her ... only and only to her.

If I have to summarize the entire episode in one word ... it will be LETTING GO.

If we pause a bit and look into yesterday's episode, we will see that the entire thought behind each and every scene is Letting Go.

Before I begin to say something about this series ... as always, let me bring my personal perspective into my writing ... it is about letting go. Letting go is not always between a couple or lovers ... letting go can happen between any kind of relationship.

I am one of those unfortunate souls who had to let go and do a preclosure to one of the most cherished relationships in this world. I had to let go of my relationship with my mother when I lost her in my teens. I was not with her when she took her last breath and it damaged me to the core. I am ready to sell my soul any day to hold her just one more time, to at least get to say good bye to her. But numerous sleepless nights could not change the fact that it cannot be changed.

So the only option in front of me to LET GO, to mourn and do a closure to this relationship as I had a younger sister to look after who was in worse condition than me.

I did say my parting words to her in my thoughts, cried all alone and refused to remember the bad phase when she was ill. Instead, I now always remember our happier times when my family was full. This did not happen in a day. I worked on it and it took me years to master the art. Cannot say I am perfect at that but I work on it EVERY SINGLE DAY.

My whole point of entire ranting is to explain the meaning of Letting Go. I skimmed through the forum and I read something like how can he suddenly let go .. is it a Eureka moment ... you NEVER let go in a second ... you simply make a decision and work on it ... and the peace which get in return cannot be explained ... it can be just felt.

Coming down to the actual episode. I said this entire episode was dedicated to Letting Go. Each and every character in this episode let go whether it was about the per-conceived notions, their past, their anger, their anguish, or anything else.

If we look at the major participants in the entire drama today, they were:

    Raman Ishita Mihir Mihika Shagun Bhallas
  • Iyers

I think pretty much everyone is covered in the points above. Now let me explain what everyone let go in this entire drama galore yesterday.

Let me begin from the bottom. Iyers and Bhallas. Two distinct families with diametrically opposite cultures, from a diametrically opposite directions of one country.

India, a cultural heaven with numerous values, dynamics, traditions, rituals, values ... all so different, yet so similar. However, one thing which makes it different from the rest of the world is the importance of the family in Indian culture... and by family I mean the entire family not the usual nuclear setup which is characteristic of a western culture.

Don't you think this entire drama would have played out if Mihir and Shagun were not related ... No ... the entire reason for this drama was FEAR. Fear of Bhallas that will Iyer's accept Mihir as their son in law if they get to know that Mihir is related to Shagun, a UGLY woman to the core. Then there was Iyers. They were on a continual quest to find out about the past of Mihir so that they could ensure a secure future for their daughter.

All this played out because although everyone .. just everyone in the frame repeated time and again that Mihir is a part of Bhalla family and he has a family .. the heart still wanted to look for the real one ... in other case ... the heart still wanted to hide the real one.

So with this revelation, both the sides finally Let Go of one thing. FEAR. While Iyers stood tall as they let go of their fear of Mihir's hidden family and accepted Mihir with all his baggage as Amma affectionately called him his son in law, the Bhallas, finally let go of their fear that Mihir's past family will have an ill affect on his future.

And what did they get in return. Mihir was finally accepted in both the families as a part of them. In all true sense. Without any barriers, any conditions, any hidden agenda. Period. That is the beauty of letting go.

Shagun. Oh How I hate to write about this lady. If I could I would have skipped this segment and moved on to another part but as Raman said, you cannot appreciate the beauty of sunlight until you face sheer darkness. And darkness she is.

BUT LEKIN KINTU PARANTU. Did she Let Go of something. Yes, my dears. She did. She indeed let go of her faade, her pretense, her ego. She was all but a beggar who begged in front of his brother to lend her happiness ... well as Raman said ... everyone has a right to live their own life and they have a right to choose what makes them happy ... she finds happiness in a unreal life with Ashok ... so be it ...

So, Shagun the woman who cannot see anything beyond her own actually went down on her knees and begged her brother to accept her. Letting go of ego, pretense, faade. As I said, she gets her own set of happiness in return or so she thinks.

Mihika. A major player in the entire drama yet a mute spectator to this. She did not have one dialogue in the entire sequence yet if she was not present, will anything would have happened. I will love to see a follow up scene between Mihir and Mihika where she can complain to him that he needs to trust her and he could have trusted her with this, a step in the ladder of Mohabattein. Amen to that thought.

What did she let go. She let go of her pretense about her Macho man. Remember the conversation between the two sisters where she said why does my Mihir act so macho all the time, he needs to become sensitive like my jeeju. Don't we always say that our partner knows our real self ... so while we were mocking that how could a tame Mihir be macho ... she had looked beyond the surface Mihir and had found out the real anger ridden, OCD Mihir who was carrying baggage of this past.

She tried to reunite his family with him by bringing Sanjana into the party ... thinking that the problem lies only at the surface ... however, with the entire revelation of Shagun and Mihir and of course PP ... She finally gets the real picture. While all the others are indirectly effected by this revelation ... she is a direct participant to all this. She has to knowingly enter this swamp all the time making sure that she holds on to the hand of his Macho man tightly and never let him slip even once. And she has to do that while maintaining her own balance.

So her letting go is the biggest. Her pretense that this problem is one-dimensional .. no she finally realizes that this is a multi-dimensional and she needs to do the perfect balancing act if she wants to sustain.

Only, what she gets in return makes her jump into it without a second thought. She gets her Mihir .. her mohabattein which is enough to do this for a life time.

Mihir. Raman. Ishita I have to write about all of them together because after yesterday's episode, it really makes them inseparable. They are victims of same crime, the wounds are may be different but the pain is not less in either case.

I am sorry to blow my own trumpet but in my maiden venture "An Ishra SS: Sirf Tumhare Liye - Final Part page 13"

I had carved a special bond between Mihir and Raman. I had written there was a reason that Mihir had a special place in Raman's heart. Last episode made me proud as a writer that I was able to touch that part way before it was actually shown.

Coming back to the episode, the conversation between both of them will stay with each YHMian forever ... and I for sure can vouch that I may end up watching this scene more than the rain dance scene for the sheer brilliance of it.

Letting Go. Raman. Could it be better than to hear from the horse's mouth? A man who was at the center of all this and went through a devastation which had catastrophic results, yet finally today, he was able to see the bigger picture and let go or decides to let go. I am sure there will be instances where he returns to his old self. It cannot be helped. He is human not a robot. Yet a decision he made today will bring him back to his normal self after a minimal self battle, something he has never even attempted before.

I loved the fact that he said that whatever happens, that woman is my children's mother and I cannot accept that her name is bad mouthed by the society because it affects my children. Will this man shed a tear when Shagun eventually leaves this world in future? I bet he will because he shared something beautiful with this woman at one point of time; albeit for a small period ... BUT .. it was beautiful and honest at least for him.

So, he refuses to go back in the bad era, mourns and gives a closure to his relationship and indirectly finally divorces this woman. He tells her brother, let her live her life the way she wants, we were not meant to be and nothing can change that.

This brings me to another beautiful conversation between Ishita and Mihir. She says Mihir should forgive Shagun. I know a segment of forum is angry on the fact that how could she act so MAHAAN ... I will like to say .. this sentence bowled me over.

This is what will eventually heal Mihir. Remember, she says a brilliant follow up line. She asks him to forgive her, not be at the same equation as they were once. My Mom used to say, anything can be repaired in this life, but trust once broken cannot be mended. True to the core.

The above instances reiterate the fact that we all live in a grey world.

The trust and sanctity between the siblings has been brutally broken. It cannot be repaired but the pain can be lessened by letting go, by giving it a proper closure. Otherwise, it will sooner or later, affects Mihir's future relationship with his wife, his children and so on so forth. Beautiful.

Mihir. It is said that a boy always looks up to his father as his ideal. This boy never got this chance as fate took his father from him at an early age. But the same fate smiled on him when Raman walked into his life, an elder brother, a father figure, a protector, a guardian all in one ... no wonder he worships the very ground his brother stands on.

What massacre it would be to see his own brother suffer at the hands of someone whom he called as his own sister .. once. So, it is but obvious for him to be filled with angst, anger, frustration all at once. The way he breaks down in front of Ishita and says I never even got to know when I became a pawn in the hands of my own sister. Broken trust.

She tries to help him move on by letting go. Reminded me of the after party conversation between Raman and Ishita when she asks Raman to let go and he is moved to tears. He has from that day tried, a conscious effort, only yesterday proved to be the final nail in coffin.

And now, he finds his own little brother, someone who is like a son to him, go down the same path of destruction as he had subconsciously once ended up in. He has to save him from this darkness so he immediately becomes a father figure and authoritatively asks him to look into his eyes while he speak. Eyes. A mirror of our own self, they are able to convey the biggest of emotions and messages which words can never even think of. He opens his heart to him and tells him that you do not need to be guilty for what was not in your control. I have moved on and am happy in my space. Now, it is time for you to move on and accept happiness without the crutches of any baggage behind you. So, forgive and move one. And remember, forgiving does not mean forgetting. It means I refuse to be bothered about something.

Mihir's dialogue what will happen to me if I let Shagun marry Ashok. He is very well aware of the fact that this family is a borrowed one and as soon as last bit of thread is broken, he will actually become an orphan. Sometimes, our mind needs reassurance that we are not alone. A pat on the back, a hug, a sentence like I am here is needed. Raman, provides him that solace that what if you are no more related to my via Shagun .. you are now my sister in law's husband. You are very much a part of my family.

And what does Mihir get in return by letting go. Believe me, he has his hands full by his one gesture of moving on. He finally gets a family. He is no more an orphan. Full acceptance from both the clans. He gets his lost relationship of his sister. Ishita and Mihir. The rakhi bond comes true when the rakhi sent by the real sister is tied on his hand by the sister who has proved to be his real sister in more ways than one. And, of course, he finally gets what he has been yearning all this while. He gets his Mohabbatein, his Mihika, no baggages, no hidden secrets ... just sheer bliss.

The final bit. Raman and Ishita. Of course, the discussion cannot be completed without the most important of the lot.

That Raman finally let go of Shagun is self-explanatory. I will not go there. Everyone knows that. I will like to focus on his stance when this entire revelation is done. He sits in the corner as a mute spectator, later he overhears and only shouts at Shagun for Mihir. His stance was of a person who is carrying a guilt with him, a person who thinks that he may have indirectly ruined the life of his brother. His past may ruin his brother's future irrevocably.

He rushes to Iyers to sort out this mess. As soon as he gets to know that they accept Mihir wholeheartedly, he breaks down. How many times have we seen this man break down .. that too in front of such a big audience ? He finally finds a closure to his guilt. His past could not ruin his brother's future and this is what makes him happy.

I know some people in the forum were anticipating a big showdown between Ishita and Raman after Sanjana fiasco ... BUT ... it is safe to say I anticipated something like this as I had seen this guilt in his stance yesterday. Remember, Ishita's convo about him being sensitive. He is a sensitive man and a broken one at on top of it ... his Ravan Kumar mode is a faade ... yesterday, it was Happy Bhalla who had wanted love and solace and was scared to death to see the life of his brother being turned upside down in front of his eyes. Take a bow Sonali.

Ishita. "Aaj mere saamne Shagun ke Raman nahi, MERE RAMAN khade hai." Do I need to say anything else? She finally let go of her misconception that her husband carried a torch for his ex-wife. Her eyes during the Tikka ceremony were a giveaway. I can write an essay about this but that will definitely take the beauty from the line which changes the course of direction between both of them.

If you have reached this far, am sure you will surely understand that what do Raman and Ishita get in return by letting go of their own pretenses.

Falling in Mohabbatein with Yeh Hai Mohabbatein with each passing moment.


P.S.: I am also putting this post separately in the forum as after my Yearning OS, this piece gave a me a creative satisfaction while writing 😳😳.

Hugs to you to put such an eloquent post 🤗

Loved your reponse Bhanu 🤗 Posted something similar in my esponse here but not as eloquent as this one. And thanks for sharing your pain with us. Proud to have you amongst us 🤗🤗🤗

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