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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am not saying Ishita did the right thing all I am saying is things are a catch 22 situation here and therein lies the interpretation of it and how wrong or right is someone. And I never said Ishita did the right thing - all I am laying out is where she stands. Like Autumn wrote on page 7 -Ishita still has no right to sleep on their bed so it really wasn't her focal point to consider. It makes sense now from Ishita's pov. And this Raman understood hence his restlessness.

Now I am not certain if Raman has indeed understood this or not but one thing is sure this is about addressing the elephant in the room - opening a can of worms.

A normal woman would cringe at the mere thought of her bed having her husband' ex - wife or gf- but a normal woman would do that only when she has feelings for the said man which are romantic in nature, when she would envision the man as ONLY her own and the bed as theirs - their marital bed.

Now two things need to happen for this - 1) Ishita has to realize she isn't a sole entity and she is in a relationship - a marriage at that, which would need processing and the man she shares the room with isn't a roommate but her HUSBAND and she cannot share him or what is theirs... but for this to happen even the second thing is necessary and I suppose equally if not more important which is the man has to lay his cards out in the open - let her know where he stands regarding them, their relationship and that too openly.

Yes Ishita has begun understanding Raman BUT she still doesn't know all of him like Ruby said - they have come to know each other but they aren't in sync here. Even if Ishita realizes her feelings for Raman, for this marriage she still cannot work it all alone here - he is needed - he would have to play his part - express what he feels for her, wants from her and them in this. You cannot bank on someone understanding you without being vocal about things always and in certain cases NOT at all.

When during the case thing Shagun accused Ishita of stealing evidence and they had that scene in their bedroom he asked her about the same gently - showing his mistrust, misunderstanding of her and she showed hers by accusing him of still being in love with Raman. She cleared his doubts by first speaking up and later handing him the photo but he NEVER did. To this date that convo has been left incomplete which he did only now when she put Shagun in the room when he said - it took him 6 years to remove the woman from his life and heart. And by then the act had happened.

Now while Ishita has learned one important thing in this scene - that Raman no longer loves Shagun she is yet to learn something even MORE important - what he feels for her.

Not loving Shagun doesn't automatically make him fall in love with Ishita after all - he has hated her for years now but he hasnt even known Ishita for a year... so while Raman completed that convo which was long overdue... they have another one in the making now where he has to speak up about what he feels for Ishita.



@ Bold ... totally agree .. infact thats the only bit about this scene that i initially wrote in my post ... restlessness .. here he is entering her bed nonchalantly .. & in return the lady brings in his past in the bed ...
Its a beautiful irony ...

Believe me i was shocked to read a plethora of posts on what Ishita did was wrong or right .. BUT NOT A SINGLE POST ON THIS MAJOR IRONY ...

A day after he sleeps in the BED WITH HER .. she brings in HIS PAST ON THE BED ... To me this is a reflection of the writers brilliance of thot ... this was my sole take away from that episode .. infact to me all the things which happened in that episode was linked to this moment ...

I was one of the few people who questioned the BED SCENE .. i confess i saw it in isolation .. at that time i asked this ques ,... why show this scene when u r not ready to show the next step in intimacy ... & thank u Writers i got the answer right the next moment ... THE PAST ...

If u look at this entire episode with the PAST as its central theme .. u will be able to palate it better ... a past which has SHAGUN ... a past of both RAMAN & MIHIR ... there is only one central past .. SHAGUN ... & she is HERE now ... her shadow her spectre ...

In the LU on Thursday .. i had mentioned ... its interesting Shagun coming to stay at Bhalla house & the very next day is Mihir's registered marriage ... Shagun coming to Bhalla house will bring Ashok as well .. who also has his eyes on Mihika .. now think how well the traps & tracks are being laid & how interconnected they all are ... with all impacting RAMAN & ISHITA

There is not much to say after this ... its a beautiful way for the writer to tell us .. NO CONFESSION till the past is not resolved ...

As u said ... If Ishita is wrong .. then so is RAMAN .. she at least has spoken & put into perspective her past ... & here he even when he clearly knows That she thinks he loves his EXWIFE .. has never spoken to her on What he really feels about his past ...

With a Sirf Ruhi ke Liye gone ... what is the other BIGGEST MU between these 2 to resolve ...SHAGUN & where does Raman stand on this issue

The reason i came up with the question which stirred the hornets nest on Why Raman did not stop Ishita ... it was simply to bring into focus .. WHAT REALLY WILL HAPPEN ... & what the writer is ACTUALLY TRYING TO TELL US ... this episode unlike what everyone is thinking was not about ISHITA AT ALL ... it was ABOUT RAMAN ... hence the whole scene with his papa ... 😳


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Posted: 11 years ago
#72
I'm actually ok with all this IF ishita realizes her mistake. Her heart was in the right place but she hurt her family and her husband. We are all human and we make mistakes, and ishita is not infallible. I just want cv's to give this a proper closure and not brush it aside like they have been doing lately.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Hey everyone just went over the thread and am sorry cant make replies to everyone personally but to those who agree with me thank you - Ruby,Autumn, Bhanu, mysha & banana.ishra - glad I could find some acceptance for something which I thought would be discarded completely.

Coming to those who disagree - Zene, Vyas and Aeryn - no issues about that. We all have opinions which we are free to express and agree or disagree about.

I am not saying Ishita did the right thing all I am saying is things are a catch 22 situation here and therein lies the interpretation of it and how wrong or right is someone. And I never said Ishita did the right thing - all I am laying out is where she stands. Like Autumn wrote on page 7 -Ishita still has no right to sleep on their bed so it really wasn't her focal point to consider. It makes sense now from Ishita's pov. And this Raman understood hence his restlessness.

Now I am not certain if Raman has indeed understood this or not but one thing is sure this is about addressing the elephant in the room - opening a can of worms.

Bhanu is a married woman here from those I know on the thread, I am unaware about others so cant comment on that - but her disgust - I see that and agree with... it is the repulsion of the thought even that something like this could happen - coming from a wife - a woman with a normal, loving marriage.


In this case the marriage has yet to sink in, in the way it ought to be . Recently Ishita had a scene where she develops goosebumps and flushes when she realizes she has started to think of Raman as her pati... something which she never did before - she has been Mrs. Bhalla for months now - but only in the namesake, she has a nameplate outside her home and one on her table in the clinic too... but BUT in her mind she is still not Mrs. Bhalla.


The scene I mentioned above - she says she finds it weird to think of him as her hubby.

We all are aghast at her move to take Shagun to her bedroom and put her to sleep on her bed - but only one thing could have stopped Ishita from doing that even if she had helped Shagun - and I am not talking about the consummation bit here - no I am speaking of awareness, of the realization that this room, this bed isn't just hers - its theirs - hers and Raman's - as a couple.

A normal woman would cringe at the mere thought of her bed having her husband' ex - wife or gf- but a normal woman would do that only when she has feelings for the said man which are romantic in nature, when she would envision the man as ONLY her own and the bed as theirs - their marital bed.

Now two things need to happen for this - 1) Ishita has to realize she isn't a sole entity and she is in a relationship - a marriage at that, which would need processing and the man she shares the room with isn't a roommate but her HUSBAND and she cannot share him or what is theirs... but for this to happen even the second thing is necessary and I suppose equally if not more important which is the man has to lay his cards out in the open - let her know where he stands regarding them, their relationship and that too openly.

Yes Ishita has begun understanding Raman BUT she still doesn't know all of him like Ruby said - they have come to know each other but they aren't in sync here. Even if Ishita realizes her feelings for Raman, for this marriage she still cannot work it all alone here - he is needed - he would have to play his part - express what he feels for her, wants from her and them in this. You cannot bank on someone understanding you without being vocal about things always and in certain cases NOT at all.

When during the case thing Shagun accused Ishita of stealing evidence and they had that scene in their bedroom he asked her about the same gently - showing his mistrust, misunderstanding of her and she showed hers by accusing him of still being in love with Raman. She cleared his doubts by first speaking up and later handing him the photo but he NEVER did. To this date that convo has been left incomplete which he did only now when she put Shagun in the room when he said - it took him 6 years to remove the woman from his life and heart. And by then the act had happened.

Now while Ishita has learned one important thing in this scene - that Raman no longer loves Shagun she is yet to learn something even MORE important - what he feels for her.

Not loving Shagun doesn't automatically make him fall in love with Ishita after all - he has hated her for years now but he hasnt even known Ishita for a year... so while Raman completed that convo which was long overdue... they have another one in the making now where he has to speak up about what he feels for Ishita.

Rem it cannot become a marital bed by merely Ishita accepting her feelings - cos in a one way thing she wont and cant force herself on him nor can merely sleeping on that bed make it theirs... it can become theirs when Raman makes her join in - when he WANTS her there.

And once that happens Ishita would cringe at the thought of a fact she already was well aware of even when their marriage was fixed - that he has shared a bed with another woman before her, he has been married - Ruhi didn't come out of thin air... but for that too happen - Ishita has to become Mrs. Raman Bhalla not just on a nameplate or for namesakes - she has to feel that she is.





@ bold i totally agree with this...he has expressed his feeling abt her many times but still ..raman needs to be vocal...
Edited by banana.ishra - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

I'm actually ok with all this IF ishita realizes her mistake. Her heart was in the right place but she hurt her family and her husband. We are all human and we make mistakes, and ishita is not infallible. I just want cv's to give this a proper closure and not brush it aside like they have been doing lately.



They brushed aside Ramans apology after Param track first time n Romi Mms track closure. So m not hoping much on this front.

I m just praying they dont further degrade Ishitas character thats it. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aeryn

Ruby

I agree there was concern for Ishita.

I've said it in Leo's post that Toshi wasn't really scolding but more of a warning for Ishita to be cautious, it was for her benefit. That isn't surprising though. Toshi has always been the one to encourage Ishita to claim her place as Ruhi's mother (outside of courtroom in Ruhi custody track) and as Raman's wife (during accident when a picnic with Shagun and kids was decided). Toshi has always been the one warning Ishita against Shagun. Unfortunately Ishita has brushed it aside. She didn't really pay heed to it.

Ishra now have a changed equation. Raman cares for her that's a given. Perso I am just glad that the concern doesn't erase the hurt and anger.

I like your interpretation of mirror scene even though Ruby to be honest I have an hard time believing Ishita to be so thick headed to not already realize that he is truly over Shagun after all he has done and said... Wasn't that reaffirmed to her at the end of accident track anyway? Oh well...*sigh*

I was never worried for Ishra. It's a given that they will come closer. Here just hoping that the journey will be more enjoyable and convincing than it is at present. Let's wait and watch


When did he articulate he is not over SHAGUN ...

lets c .. on that party bench scene ... she tells him u care deeply for Shagun & it reflects in the way u speak to her .. DID HE DENY IT THEN ... NOPE
when he accused her of stealing Shagun pic .. she screamed at him u love Shagun ... did he deny it then ... NOPE ..
Ishita's dialog with her mother ... Raman is in love with Shagun .. & she does not have LOVE IN HER KISMAT ...

She has a time & again laid bare her insecurity of his feelings for his ex ... at the pary to celebrate his success as President .. he spoke about his past aka SHAGUN ... while he was encompassing Shagun & Ashok ..what did Ishita see at that point of time SHAGUN ...

Yes he was helping Adi during accident track ...but does it take away from the BLATANT CONCERN he showed for SHAGUN ...

arent all these to be resolved ... ?? do remember IShita is in her mind HALF A WOMAN ..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Ruby sorry for hijacking your thread LOL but was listening to the song Ishq Hua from Aaja Nachle and remembered the lines of a scene between Konkana and Madhuri.
Madhuri tries to make Konkana understand why Kunal doesn't like her or runs away from her - she says woh ab tak majnu nahi bana kyunki tum ab tak laila nahi bani - or something similar dont rem the exact words.

But it is such an amazing line as per me, yes she gives Konkana a makeover to attract Kunal but what makes me like this makeover over the other ugly duckling turn swan stories is it is kept real, Konkana doesnt become a glamdoll overnight she becomes a regular girl next door - only someone whose appearance doesnt make him cringe cos of her untidy habits or who doesnt follow him like a lost puppy but maintains her stance.

I think the line goes well here too.

Only it goes the other way around - he has to accept his feelings so she might accept hers and not run scared silly of them afraid of his rejection.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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actually i really din' t get that BG in last ep. Because same BG was played when raman and ruhi went to picnic with shagun and adi, I just checked it.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well Aani no problem we can agree to disagree
@ bed - even if we take into consideration that she doesn't see it as their marital bed, fact still remains that she didn't take Raman's opinion on it as a roommate,friend, whatever he is to her. At present he is the one sleeping on it right? So it's still wrong as she didn't consult with him on a pure courtesy basis...

For the rest, I have already expressed what I feel so I won't repeat. I still maintain that Ishita's reactions/feelings lacks consistency/continuity hence can be really confusing...

He has not been vocal nor has she. He has shown signs of wanting more of the relation. She has shown close to none. Still as damaged as he is too, he wants to give a chance while for her, one is left wondering what she wants from marriage...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: mnr123

@ Redwine
I agree wid u about what u said about Mirror n past. But does Ishita takes her relationship seriously? People said that the bed symbolism shud not b taken seriously coz they dont share that kind f relationship? Ishita is currently in a completely platonic relationship with her husband again as people r putting it up here n she thinks as people have posted here that Raman is in love with his past so y wud she look or think about her n Raman having a future. She is confused about mixed signals from Raman 😕 even she tried to confront him kahi aapko mujhse pyar nahi hua hai ? He said No. ? N then fake confession so y think about something that u think is not plausible in the first place.
Y shud she think about a happy future with Raman just because she is married to him n she has to live with it n she has no other option?


How much more seriously can she take her relationship with raman ... if people say by action raman has shown his deep love for her ... has she not shown the same ..

Param a man who tried to rape her .. is now in her home .. that too she has got him home who do u think she did this for ... SIMMI .. or Raman's sister ..

ROmi .. a man who slighted her beloved sister & beloved brother in law .. is today forgiven .. why coz its Romi or coz its Raman's brother ...

When do u take a man to ur bed when u know ur the focus of his thots .. has that been proven to Ishita

They are married .. both have said its forever ... but both have only hidden behind their feelings .. covered them up ...

Actually think about each & every portion in this track .. its only ever been about taking away the blocks in this love affair ... be it the bathrobe .. be it the licence .. be it Ruhi .. be it varahlaxmi ... be it Shagun coming Bhalla house for a slumber party

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Colt.Pixy

actually i really din' t get that BG in last ep. Because same BG was played when raman and ruhi went to picnic with shagun and adi, I just checked it.



Exactly .. & what did Raman do .. he kept calling ISHITA .. he was with Shagun but his thot was on ISHITA ...

& Ishita was for the first time feeling the INSECURITY OF RAMAN's attention slipping .. it was not a Sad moment at all .. 😉

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