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Posted: 11 years ago
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My 2 cents. I may or may not make sense.

First Aani and Ruby, I hear you both on the potential this incident can have on Ishra relation. I too believe that it will ultimately lead to Ishra put down another barrier in their relation - accept to each other that they are a couple, husband and wife. But that is not the point IMO coz the journey should be as important as the destination. Here they have put a serious dent on the character Ishita. People are not recognizing Ishita lately.

Ishita putting Shagun on the bed coz for her the bedroom is not yet their sanctuary is not valid IMO.
Why? Simply because there is something called sanctity of marriage, a code of conduct in marriage. Whatever the state of the relationship, once one decides to marry one has to abide by the code of conduct and I think I don't even have to say how much putting ex wife in the marital bed is so against it.
Let's go back to accident track where Raman has gone to the picnic with kids and ex wife. That was so against said code of conduct and then too I have criticized him. It was wrong of him, period. What was Ishita's first reaction back then? She was agitated, restless, shaken. She knew it was wrong but sadly she didn't claim herself as Raman's wife and put her foot down.
Like I have said I was against this decision of Raman but I could ultimately move on because contrary to what is currently shown with Ishita, Raman then immediately knew it was against the sanctity of marriage, he wronged her and he knew it. He was remorseful and ashamed. This is not seen in Ishita.

This also put a question on Ishita's view of their marriage and whether she wants to work on it or not.
The mixed signals given by Raman is invoked to explain Ishita not working on her marriage. IMO the only thing that Raman didn't do is voice the "I Love you" otherwise his actions speaks louder than words. He has even vocally given clues "Shagun is only mother of my children, nothing else", "you are my wife, I won't leave you", "we are happily married, we have two children", "a husband is always hurt when his wife is upset", "we will make our own memories", "it took me six years to move her (Shagun) out of my heart" to cite just a few.
While I agree that it feels good and reassuring for things to be voiced then I also think that it is equally and maybe even more important for it to be felt. Words can be beautiful but it can also be deceitful, meaningless, hurtful.
Why look only at his taunts and not at all the times when he was possessive, caring, mesmerized by her beauty. She has sensed his insecurity over Subbu. Ishita has felt it all, has seen it all. She knows his taunts are a facade. She has even recently felt his desire for her. She was the prime witness of his emotions. How can we say that she feels not beautiful to him, not wanted by him simply because of his taunts when she has felt it all, understood his facade (felt all his aforementioned emotions) ? It's contradictory to me. She is in love with him, has started to realize it and has sensed that the status quo has shifted but still needs Raman to be vocal about it to start to work on marriage?!
Ishita either has not been vocal and has not even been as demonstrative as Raman. He too has baggage. He too has been rejected and deemed inadequate as a husband and father but we still see Raman working on their marriage.

@on Raman not removing Shagun from the bed -

Let's look back at the scene. He is ready to apologize to her. The doorbell rings, he opens the door and is completely shocked at seeing Ishita with a drunk Shagun behind it.
He reacts "have you lost your mind", "how can you even think I'll let THAT woman into my house".
He is then confronted to a wall, Ishita's attitude is of it's my way or the highway kind "I AM bringing Shagun inside whether you like it or not". He is angry, frustrated and it strikes him then that Ishita is not going to budge...He lets her into house, questions her sanity, she gives explanation. In said explanation, not an once of remorse, of sorry, of uncomfortableness is felt from Ishita...meaning that Ishita has already made up her mind, she didn't deem it important to ask for his opinion, she didn't consider his and the entire household's emotions, she didn't spare them a thought. Family comes, asks for explanations, some taunts and he could not take it anymore...before he does something he will regret, he goes from there to calm himself down.
Now he comes back and his mother tells him Ishita has gone crazy and to handle her. Shagun is then already semi unconscious on their bed, Ishita herself has put her there...what is the point of creating a ruckus? His wife has already decided for all and was adamant on it.
It's painful to see Shagun back in his bedroom but what is more painful is that his wife, someone he loves and whom he thought cares for him and family, is responsible for it and doesn't even seem to realize the impact of it all...Ishita has seen enough, have heard enough to know how much Shagun has wronged the Bhallas. It was clear from his speech when she comes offering him water "what do you think of yourself", "this woman has wrecked my life", "it took me 6 years to recover and yet you brought her into my house, my bed", "how could you"...

Edited by Aeryn - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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EkPaheli & redwine1 :) ( Aani & Ruby )

Hi! I am Mysha :) I have been a silent reader of this forum for awhile now. YHM is the only Indian television show I've watched in years. Many things made me start watching this show. Mature characters, ishita/ruhi relationship, Ishra/Divan's electrifying chemistry, fine actors and its good storytelling.

After reading this thread tonight, I just HAD to reply to appreciate your posts, hence, here's my first post in this forum.

I am truly impressed with your maturity and ways with words. Hats off to both of you.
Aani your reply in this thread and in the other thread regarding 'chee' is simply wow, among many other posts/threads I've read of yours. ..and Ruby I have bookmarked your index thread when I saw it the other day. Ones I've read so far are great reads.

btalwar's analysis from a woman's POV was no less. 👏

I am sorry I am getting carried away here 😆...and certainly don't wanna sound like a stalker lol..but it's GREAT to read such posts in here...so just wanted to say thank you ..and to keep'em coming! ⭐️



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Posted: 11 years ago
#53
Agreed with everything you said. Absolutely love reading your posts! You literally have the answer to everything 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Brilliant post...
I don't think ishita is completely wrong ...she already tried other options but didn't work out ..from her POV.. And she brought shagun home ..don't forget that its her home too..she knew that its gonna hurt Raman and bhallas will not be happy seeing shagun there...and exactly what happened everyone started before she explain her point ..and she knew very well that in that situation no one will listen to her whatever she will say..ishita is always like this first a good human being than anyone.. In past also she did so many things ..and because of that she suffered so much and her family members also..she didn't do this to give pain to Raman ...to open his wounds..but this the ishita who never think before help anyone..she is a selfless person.
she still thinks that Raman has a soft corner for shagun ...and I don't think she is expecting anything from her life nor from Raman except mother of ruhi..Raman also giving her wrong signals ..his taunts , his conversation with shagun in the party of some friend's anniversary.. Her own insecurity also because of her past experience.. Rejection from 12 years relationship ..rejection from other guys..she never think about to hurt Raman but unfortunately ended up hurting him ..
I think because of this track Raman openly said that he is moved on completely.. And ishita has to realize that whatever she is thinking about Raman is not true ..he is no more stuck with his past..in case of shagun .

And I asked same question after watching Saturday's epi..why didn't they make other arrangements for shagun if they don't want her to stay there..
Ishita will never oppose it ..why was Raman not ready to hear her..he very well knows which type of person ishita is..main problem is they don't communicate ..hide things from each other...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I love your posts..The way you think is beyond brilliant

Loved this post and how you connect the dots is Amazing
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Posted: 11 years ago
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such brilliance that I am speechless!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Im awwed this is soo brilliantly written n ur analysis is soo true 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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soo brilliantly written n I am speechless
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Gud morning all at IF

Firstly thank u all for actually discussing this topic so passionately ... whether letting Shagun in the marital bed was right or wrong ... it at least woke up the forum ... & sparked some really meaningful & healthy discussions ...

Personally i got to know a few of u better ... so thnx guys ...
A creative piece can have a zillion interpretations ... coz what attracts u when u see it maybe vastly different from what attracted another person to it ... does that make any ONE INTERPRETATION RIGHT OR WRONG ... I DONT THINK SO ...

Personally itself as a woman i was appalled seeing a wife bringing her husbands ex in their marital bed ... but as a dispassionate viewer after some thot ... & some creative leeway ... i could convince myself on the wait & watch approach ... if one person can be so divided in thot .. then the many people on this forum of course are divided ...

I think its brilliant from the writers POV .. to have sparked people to think ... its generated curiosity .. its generated controversy .. its generated pique ... its generated thot ...what more does one require for a recipe to success ... YHM for a while now was stagnating .. there were some brilliant portions aka Ruhi Raman scene .. but then the track was moving very slow .. a complaint which a lot of us cried about ... Then wham just when inertia was setting in the writer delivered this gem which woke us all up ... & we once again passionately discussed a show which had touched us ...

Lets give it up to the writers .. for just exciting us to talk about our show ...for reigniting the flame whether thats a flame of agreement or disagreement ..

Its a given how this track will progress ... its a given that the leads will draw closer amidst all he misconceptions ... its a given that the leads will at some point of time confess ... but if this is a reflection of how the journey will come to that conclusion .. then the least we can expect is a SCINTILLATING ride rife with CONTROVERSY ... what more do we want for us to reconnect to this show ...




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Posted: 11 years ago
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@on Raman not removing Shagun from the bed -

Let's look back at the scene. He is ready to apologize to her. The doorbell rings, he opens the door and is completely shocked at seeing Ishita with a drunk Shagun behind it.
He reacts "have you lost your mind", "how can you even think I'll let THAT woman into my house".
He is then confronted to a wall, Ishita's attitude is of it's my way or the highway kind "I AM bringing Shagun inside whether you like it or not". He is angry, frustrated and it strikes him then that Ishita is not going to budge...He lets her into house, questions her sanity, she gives explanation. In said explanation, not an once of remorse, of sorry, of uncomfortableness is felt from Ishita...meaning that Ishita has already made up her mind, she didn't deem it important to ask for his opinion, she didn't consider his and the entire household's emotions, she didn't spare them a thought. Family comes, asks for explanations, some taunts and he could not take it anymore...before he does something he will regret, he goes from there to calm himself down.
Now he comes back and his mother tells him Ishita has gone crazy and to handle her. Shagun is then already semi unconscious on their bed, Ishita herself has put her there...what is the point of creating a ruckus? His wife has already decided for all and was adamant on it.
It's painful to see Shagun back in his bedroom but what is more painful is that his wife, someone he loves and whom he thought cares for him and family, is responsible for it and doesn't even seem to realize the impact of it all...Ishita has seen enough, have heard enough to know how much Shagun has wronged the Bhallas. It was clear from his speech when she comes offering him water "what do you think of yourself", "this woman has wrecked my life", "it took me 6 years to recover and yet you brought her into my house, my bed", "how could you"...


Hiya Aeryn ...

I get ur POV ... but it still doesnt answer why he kept quiet & let Shagun stay in his BED .. Raman has never been shown as a henpecked husband .. if he finds something wrong he will speak about it ...


Hiya ALL ...

What i get from the above post & a numerous other posts is ... IRRITATION & ANGER from Raman .. was he so steeped in anger for his wife .. that he let her do what was SO ANTI THESIS to him ??? Go back to the param re entry scene .. he was clear no matter who brought him in . Param had to go .. ishita had to closet herself with him ... talk to him .. convince him of her POV ... & only then that to after safeguarding his own interest ( ISHITA) .. did he let Param re enter his home ...

Why then did he GIVE UP so easily in this count .. he quietly walked up to the cupboard picked up his bed sheet gave a glare to his wife & walked out ...
When she comes up to him to talk ... he says ..(above bold) ... focus on his dialog ...

Would ask u all to re watch the scene .. see it dispassionately ...forget the ISHITA portion for a bit & focus on the Raman portion ... fortunately unlike Ishita . Raman has emoted very well in this scene ...take into cognisance his walk to the balcony ... Also there was a lot of focus on Raman sleeping soundly the next day .. at least 2 shots of close up of his face ... while sleeping in the morning ...

It is a given that Raman is angry .. anger is first mode of reaction for Raman .. this anger will explode on Ishita soon ( i fervently hope so) ... is also a given ... but all this still doesnt explain why he let Shagun sleep on his bed that nite

Also give this a thot .. why did the maker spend nearly 2 mins on the background score .. why was it required .. the BG was a romantic one .. it wasn't the SAD version .. it was just a slower version ...



Edited by redwine1 - 11 years ago

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