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@pamk06

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Posted: 7 years ago

#81

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

"Her weakness is Mauli's friendship"
Didn't we establish in first few posts that for Nandini, Mauli was just a stranger who helped her, now suddenly Mauli's friendship is her weakness, why are we considering Nandini feelings as love in first place, the woman fell for first person who was nice to her after she went through an abusive marriage and it's love, maybe it's the same kind of gratitude that one feels for their therapist

If I am seeing it from real life perspective then yes, I would totally agree with you on Nandini but the discussion here is solely on the story that the makers are showing us and in the current track, they are showing it as love, so we are going with that.. (whether we agree or no is totally different question).

I think, "stranger helping" was an example given to explain the dynamics of their relationship but it does not necessarily mean that its not important to her. Now, based on what we are being shown, it does seem like its important, else we would not be seeing her guilt nor her statement that she needs both of them in her life. This, in a roundabout way, also does explain her lack of guilt when they were hiding their relationship because in that bubble, she had both Kunal's love and Mauli's friendship. All was well in her life but now the bubble has broken and we are seeing the devastation its created., Now we wait to see what is more important for her.

Edited by pamk06 - 7 years ago

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Saazhumsafars

@Saazhumsafars

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Posted: 7 years ago

#82

Interesting discussion.

Throughout the scene yesterday I kept thinking that even if kunal now realizes that he never did love her he obviously can't say it to her.How does one say it?specially when one does not know exactly himself.But I think kunal knows somewhere even if he won't be able to put it in the least insensitive/heartbreaking words.The way he said "there is nothing lacking in you mauli" makes me believe that he knows,he has the answer (which honestly is "you don't LACK anything mauli I just love her with deeper intensity") but he obviously can't say it!

Can mauli ever be in a state which will make the answers she is looking for easier to hear?

I want to say something about nandini mauli's friendship too,something I have been wondering.It is true that nandini once felt extremely grateful of mauli for whatever she was doing,that is why she used the word "panaah" when she told her about rajdeep "selling" her off to makhija.The word she used and the way she said it felt so distant(The complete dialogue was "you have the right to know what happened that night,you are giving me shelter in your house). Is shelter the right word to be used in friendship?Shelter is something you give to strangers or acquaintances.Nandini was thankful in the way acquaintances are and mauli too didn't berate her for speaking like that.

In these 2 last episodes too mauli has been using words like 'shelter' and 'help' more than 'love' when talking about nandini.

All of this and the discussion here on "friends for a reason,season and lifetime" makes me wonder if I have been thinking there was more depth in their friendship than there actually was.In my defence there was such love when they met after years.Nandini could not stop looking at Mauli the entire time they walked from the pool to the washroom and it felt like she wanted the world to stop and savor in the moments of being loved and taken care of by Mauli.

Oh also(and this is not relevant to this discussion I suppose) but nandini seemed not only distant but also cynical when she said that "panaah" dialogue.It is like her relationship with rajdeep had made her wary and cynical of forming or continuing bonds with other people too.So she is grateful in the way acquaintances are.But that is the only moment I saw some distance and cynicism regarding mauli or world in nandini.Before their reunion she was always eager to meet mauli and get the friendship and bond back.So may be I am reading too much into that one scene.The scene came back to me because like I said mauli too kept using words like help or shelter more.

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Flame_of_Forest

@Flame_of_Forest

Dazzler

Posted: 7 years ago

#83

Not in any team either 😆

This is one of the very few posts I have seen on the forum which is focused on the CVs or execution and on the characterization more than the characters..interesting discussion as well!!

Doing an EMA type concept is a herculean task, and it seems the CVs and writers could not handle it well.

While they are good at drawing impact through the dramatic execution or like you said by pulling the viewers into conversations for TRP sake, but they seem to be missing on the subtleties - the gradual development of characters, feelings or any smooth transition in them.

moreover, there are logical flaws introduced in the characterization and execution instead of focusing on the behavioral human flaws.

I have not watched it from some weeks, but the way it was rushed during the development of feelings, the initial guilt phase, it was like reading pages of a book sample where we get to see page 5, then page 78, then page 156, so on.

May be it is pre-decided to be a short series with focus on TRP. Although as a viewer, I would have liked to see the execution that leaves a feeling of restlessness for all characters, a feel of "I understand your feelings, but..."

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FruitToasty

@FruitToasty

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Posted: 7 years ago

#84

Originally posted by: pamk06

If I am seeing it from real life perspective then yes, I would totally agree with you on Nandini but the discussion here is solely on the story that the makers are showing us and in the current track, they are showing it as love, so we are going with that.. (whether we agree or no is totally different question).

I think, "stranger helping" was an example given to explain the dynamics of their relationship but it does not necessarily mean that its not important to her. Now, based on what we are being shown, it does seem like its important, else we would not be seeing her guilt nor her statement that she needs both of them in her life. This, in a roundabout way, also does explain her lack of guilt when they were hiding their relationship because in that bubble, she had both Kunal's love and Mauli's friendship. All was well in her life but now the bubble has broken and we are seeing the devastation its created., Now we wait to see what is more important for her.

I have different perspective on what makers are trying to show, this has been disturbing people as to why there's no reason for Kunal to love Nandini, maybe because there's no other reason than "Beimani" as Kunal's mother said, I don't consider their relationship as love because if it was love or say if I was in love with someone and not in love with my current partner, I would never have crossed limits before telling him, why stay and hurt someone, keep promising the world when you know you won't fulfill any of it, what did Kunal do for 7 years? Friendship, so he wasted 7 years of a woman because he did not know what love was? but why are we thinking that Nandini is his first love? Kunal and Mauli were in love before Nandini came in their life so he fell in love with Nandini now but what baffles me is his complete disregard for Mauli as a human, he does not care that she is going to be hurt, he has no answers, Rajdeep here would have blamed Mauli for this but Kunal is not like that he did tell Nandini that he considers what he did a galti, and with no news of a new lead for Mauli, I think we will see Kunal coming back to her, but I don't want Mauli to take her back as she took one cheater back and look how that turned out..

The statement that she needs both of them does not tell you that she loves or cares about Mauli but she doesn't consider Mauli as a human, if her love for Mauli was her weakness, I think the weakness would have stopped her from sleeping with Kunal or at least showing a little guilt afterwards but she was smiling happily so Mauli is not a human with feelings, Nandini is not thinking about Mauli, Nandini doesn't care that Mauli is hurt but she wants Mauli and Kunal, here she is not thinking about the pain Mauli is going through right now or the pain Mauli will have in future seeing them together..

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mango

@mango.falooda

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Posted: 7 years ago

#85

Originally posted by: Saazhumsafars
Interesting discussion.
Throughout the scene yesterday I kept thinking that even if kunal now realizes that he never did love her he obviously can't say it to her.How does one say it?specially when one does not know exactly himself.But I think kunal knows somewhere even if he won't be able to put it in the least insensitive/heartbreaking words.The way he said "there is nothing lacking in you mauli" makes me believe that he knows,he has the answer (which honestly is "you don't LACK anything mauli I just love her with deeper intensity") but he obviously can't say it!
Can mauli ever be in a state which will make the answers she is looking for easier to hear?

I want to say something about nandini mauli's friendship too,something I have been wondering.It is true that nandini once felt extremely grateful of mauli for whatever she was doing,that is why she used the word "panaah" when she told her about rajdeep "selling" her off to makhija.The word she used and the way she said it felt so distant(The complete dialogue was "you have the right to know what happened that night,you are giving me shelter in your house). Is shelter the right word to be used in friendship?Shelter is something you give to strangers or acquaintances.Nandini was thankful in the way acquaintances are and mauli too didn't berate her for speaking like that.
In these 2 last episodes too mauli has been using words like 'shelter' and 'help' more than 'love' when talking about nandini.
All of this and the discussion here on "friends for a reason,season and lifetime" makes me wonder if I have been thinking there was more depth in their friendship than there actually was.In my defence there was such love when they met after years.Nandini could not stop looking at Mauli the entire time they walked from the pool to the washroom and it felt like she wanted the world to stop and savor in the moments of being loved and taken care of by Mauli.

Oh also(and this is not relevant to this discussion I suppose) but nandini seemed not only distant but also cynical when she said that "panaah" dialogue.It is like her relationship with rajdeep had made her wary and cynical of forming or continuing bonds with other people too.So she is grateful in the way acquaintances are.But that is the only moment I saw some distance and cynicism regarding mauli or world in nandini.Before their reunion she was always eager to meet mauli and get the friendship and bond back.So may be I am reading too much into that one scene.The scene came back to me because like I said mauli too kept using words like help or shelter more.

thats a very interesting observation on choice of words. am not a native hindi speaker and so didn't pick up on the various distinctions... in every language, the choice of adjectives/adverbs do change the connotations. in some languages, just the shift from formal to informal indicates a shifting of relationships as well as the use of certain verbs and tenses... so definitely interesting observation...

as for kunal's reason -- had the same impression as you. he actually has a very clear idea of why he has chosen nandini but at this time, does not want to voice it out as mauli was so hurt and really not ready for any explanations.. however, when the time comes, we should get some sort of explanation. it could very well end up with him saying that he loved her as a person and not as a woman... or maybe the CVs will surprise us with an angle that we didn't think of at all...

Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago

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mango

@mango.falooda

Rocker

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Posted: 7 years ago

#86

Originally posted by: Flame_of_Forest
Not in any team either 😆

This is one of the very few posts I have seen on the forum which is focused on the CVs or execution and on the characterization more than the characters..interesting discussion as well!!

Doing an EMA type concept is a herculean task, and it seems the CVs and writers could not handle it well.
While they are good at drawing impact through the dramatic execution or like you said by pulling the viewers into conversations for TRP sake, but they seem to be missing on the subtleties - the gradual development of characters, feelings or any smooth transition in them.

moreover, there are logical flaws introduced in the characterization and execution instead of focusing on the behavioral human flaws.

I have not watched it from some weeks, but the way it was rushed during the development of feelings, the initial guilt phase, it was like reading pages of a book sample where we get to see page 5, then page 78, then page 156, so on.

May be it is pre-decided to be a short series with focus on TRP. Although as a viewer, I would have liked to see the execution that leaves a feeling of restlessness for all characters, a feel of "I understand your feelings, but..."

kekeke... there must be very few of us who are not on any team. 😆

in terms of dramatic tension, the CVs have done a good job. the last time I watched a hindi serial on this ema-focused theme was on zee quite a few years back -- the guy ends up leaving the wife for her cousin sister! and she picks up her life after that... in terms of treatment, it was quite mature but it was also super boring! LOL... so I ended up dropping it.

one does need some masala to keep one's interest. 😆 kekeke... in that way, despite the continuous stares and silent expressions, there is enough dramatic tension that one is interested to tune in. so in an absurd way, the lack of explanations and vagueness keeps you wondering what on earth is going on. hahahahah...

however, it would be nice if there was some more dialogue.. rajdeep seriously has the best lines in the drama. in the last few episodes, I wondered if the actors just got sheets that said "look sad and broken for 5 minutes and we will shoot you from every angle!" hahahahhah... 😆 the only dialogue in some bits came from the ads! 😆

Edited by mango_pudding1 - 7 years ago

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mango

@mango.falooda

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Posted: 7 years ago

#87

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

I have different perspective on what makers are trying to show, this has been disturbing people as to why there's no reason for Kunal to love Nandini, maybe because there's no other reason than "Beimani" as Kunal's mother said, I don't consider their relationship as love because if it was love or say if I was in love with someone and not in love with my current partner, I would never have crossed limits before telling him, why stay and hurt someone, keep promising the world when you know you won't fulfill any of it, what did Kunal do for 7 years? Friendship, so he wasted 7 years of a woman because he did not know what love was? but why are we thinking that Nandini is his first love? Kunal and Mauli were in love before Nandini came in their life so he fell in love with Nandini now but what baffles me is his complete disregard for Mauli as a human, he does not care that she is going to be hurt, he has no answers, Rajdeep here would have blamed Mauli for this but Kunal is not like that he did tell Nandini that he considers what he did a galti, and with no news of a new lead for Mauli, I think we will see Kunal coming back to her, but I don't want Mauli to take her back as she took one cheater back and look how that turned out..

The statement that she needs both of them does not tell you that she loves or cares about Mauli but she doesn't consider Mauli as a human, if her love for Mauli was her weakness, I think the weakness would have stopped her from sleeping with Kunal or at least showing a little guilt afterwards but she was smiling happily so Mauli is not a human with feelings, Nandini is not thinking about Mauli, Nandini doesn't care that Mauli is hurt but she wants Mauli and Kunal, here she is not thinking about the pain Mauli is going through right now or the pain Mauli will have in future seeing them together..

@fruittoasty -- either way, people are finding this story confusing. if we go with the angle that he fell in love with nandini, then the question is what was he doing with mouli. if we go with the angle that he fell out of love with mouli, then the question is why would someone fall out of love from a happy successful relationship? ... so far, there is no clear answer from the CVs indicating which direction their perspective is in terms of writing.

now, this whole idea of falling out of love is a little bit confusing for me. by definition, love is supposed to be long lasting and permanent. so how does one fall out of love then? in that case, there is some other qualifier for love that we are referring to right? so perhaps, that love is liking someone heaps and over time, it fades? do they mean infatuation and crushes but use the word love instead? maybe someone can explain better the concept of falling out of love... would be interested to hear some different perspectives...

so if we go with the angle that he fell in love with nandini, it really does raise lots of real world kind of question on how on earth someone can be in a relationship for so long and not know that it wasn't love.

now, I have actually heard some folks express that kind of feel and I was really confused on hearing that. however, my friend explained that when she was in college, she was excited to have this handsome guy focus some attention on her. plus you want to show off to others and so she happily got into a relationship. it was only after they started looking for job, she felt that she actually wasn't in love with him and neither was he. so they both seemed to like the idea of love and relationship but found they had not enough interest to sustain a long term relationship.

now, that was just a dating relationship but here, we are talking about a marriage. however, after hearing my friend, it did strike me and make me wonder how many people fell into a long-term committed relationship/marriage simply because it was convenient. how many want to have the magic of being in a relationship and so say yes even though romantically, this person is not even their fit.

was on a train once and next to me were these two gossipy aunties. it turned out they were coming back from a cancelled wedding where the guy called it off saying he was not in love. one of the aunty asked "it took him 5 years to realize that he wasn't in love? so what on earth was he doing during those 5 years?".. so questions like that make me wonder if that is what happened to kunal.

again, till the CVs have kunal open his mouth, we won't know for sure what exactly led him to nandini...

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@pamk06

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Posted: 6 years ago

#88

Originally posted by: _charu_

Yes thats right , but if i am not wrong she asked him once twice or thrice ..but he assured her that therr is nothing wrong ..after confession he has been behaving very normal ..now when mauli dwells on it , she gets suspicious over every single reaction of his , but nobody can guess that this might be the problem ..i didnt watch the scene when she tried to get close to him and he pushed her back, yeah that was a hint ..i didnt watch that scene so cant comment on what explanation he gave ...anyways the point is nandini knows him better , its too early to conclude this dont you think

i think this was after the consummation scene and he was very disturbed. So when she did not dig deeper, it just surprised me. Regarding Nandini, I do think they have a strong understanding and the CVs have been showing that to us in their various interactions since confession.

I would not have been so sure but the cafe conversation and his call after Mauli finds out gives an indication of deeper bond and understanding between them. This is what I have been cribbing about from last two days, that when did they develop this understanding and how did we miss it. Hopefully, they give us some flashbacks to give us some more insight into this as @mango_pudding suggested. Or it can be that they must have just decided to skip the whole part due to all the bashing that their scenes were receiving and left us to play catch-up as they have been doing since the start of this show.😊.

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@pamk06

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Posted: 6 years ago

#89

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

again, till the CVs have kunal open his mouth, we won't know for sure what exactly led him to nandini...

Sorry, cutting your post short but wanted speak on this.

I think all of us are of the logical mind and hence we are looking for explanations of what exactly happened with Kunal, whether he was not in love with Mauli or he fell out of love.

But then I was reading a post on this forum, and it just made me think that may be the CV's are just following the same concept on which the whole industry is based on that "Pyaar to bas ho jaata hain" May be they are serious about this fated love story, cosmic connection etc. and we are not able to digest it because we are so used to logic. There are many real life-example that adhere to that theory where the explanation is as simple as , "I just fell in love". If that the case, it really raises a lot of scary real life question on this whole concept of love where there are no right or wrong answer.

So, hopefully Kunal one his mouth, else it would be mystery that will remain unsolved.

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@pamk06

Dazzler

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Posted: 6 years ago

#90

Originally posted by: FruitToasty

I have different perspective on what makers are trying to show, this has been disturbing people as to why there's no reason for Kunal to love Nandini, maybe because there's no other reason than "Beimani" as Kunal's mother said, I don't consider their relationship as love because if it was love or say if I was in love with someone and not in love with my current partner, I would never have crossed limits before telling him, why stay and hurt someone, keep promising the world when you know you won't fulfill any of it, what did Kunal do for 7 years? Friendship, so he wasted 7 years of a woman because he did not know what love was? but why are we thinking that Nandini is his first love? Kunal and Mauli were in love before Nandini came in their life so he fell in love with Nandini now but what baffles me is his complete disregard for Mauli as a human, he does not care that she is going to be hurt, he has no answers, Rajdeep here would have blamed Mauli for this but Kunal is not like that he did tell Nandini that he considers what he did a galti, and with no news of a new lead for Mauli, I think we will see Kunal coming back to her, but I don't want Mauli to take her back as she took one cheater back and look how that turned out..

The statement that she needs both of them does not tell you that she loves or cares about Mauli but she doesn't consider Mauli as a human, if her love for Mauli was her weakness, I think the weakness would have stopped her from sleeping with Kunal or at least showing a little guilt afterwards but she was smiling happily so Mauli is not a human with feelings, Nandini is not thinking about Mauli, Nandini doesn't care that Mauli is hurt but she wants Mauli and Kunal, here she is not thinking about the pain Mauli is going through right now or the pain Mauli will have in future seeing them together..

@bold: I always thought that this was a story of three characters and how their choices, decisions and emotions impact each other. Currently, I see them standing at three corners of a triangle, each connected to each other and each with a choice of path.

Mauli - She has been betrayed by both friend and love. As you say, if she forgives love, then the question that would arise would be "why not friendship" because Kunal and Nandini are equally responsible for this betrayal. Then, the message that would come across would be that "Everything is fair in love but not in friendship". Having said that, I do not see her accepting Kunal or Nandini, that just not her (based on what they have shown us). Yes, for her to completely recover, she will have to forgive them, but whether she ever accepts them back in their life, we will have to see. If we see Mauli accepting Kunal now, it would only be because of family pressure, TRP or because she is not an emotionally strong person.

Kunal- When Kunal confessed his feelings, at that point itself he had broken all ties with Mauli, It was a big decision for him. He was essentially breaking all his vows, commitments, oaths and giving up all that he had build in this past year of marriage. Thats why he says, I declare myself a culprit and then he takes the oath of commitment for Nandini. Hence, now,we do not see him giving any explanation to Mauli or trying to reconcile with her. He always knew he was going to hurt Mauli, the question and he was also very sure of which path he was going to choose and that is Nandini. Now, at this point if he chooses Mauli over Nandini, quoting he made a mistake, then he would just come out as a very weak person. If he comes back to Mauli, it would be or should be as a sacrifice of his feelings. Only then, there will be some credibility to his character.

Nandini- I actually see her at the same point as she was 7 years back when she had to choose between Mauli and Rajdeep. At that point, she choose Rajdeep and look what happened. Now again, she is at the same juncture where one side is friendship and other side is love. Of course, the friendship is already broken because Mauli is never going to accept her but as a tribute to that friendship, will she sacrifice her love or will she again choose love. She says that she cannot live without both of them so may be her karma would be to actually live without both of them

So lets see which journey they take us. They might very well turn this into a saas-bahu saga, by getting a character for Mauli with a big family 😆

Edited by pamk06 - 6 years ago