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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

Haha.. I wish I had half the imagination that you have. When you put it that way, it makes sense. His presence and support influenced her healing and his love and their moments gave her hope in life and became her strength. The only issue now is Mauli. When I try to understand how Nandini could do this to Mauli, what I feel is, for Nandini her love for Kunal and the fact that Kunal is Mauli's husband are two completely different things, as baffling (and convenient) as that is. I don't know how else to look at it. And that makes me feel I still don't understand her. God, this has to be the most screwed up EMA ever. 😆

Also, I have given up on trying to understand Kunal for now. Let them show it to us.


I guess its with the speed that they moved forwards is where all of us feel the disconnect. But now, when I look back, I see the connections. I feel its lack on CV's part that we are struggling to analyze their scenes. They should be the ones doing it with flashbacks, self talk or a narrator would also do at this point 😆

@bold: Exactly, and for once CV's were successful in showing the difference. The Kunal that is with Mauli is completely different to the Kunal that is with Nandini and the Kunal she loves is not Mauli husband. If I am even making sense here.

When she was in that bubble, she had the best of both world and she was Ok, even happy with it. She knew she was doing wrong but one way to look at it would be that she was helpless in front of her emotions or even greedy to feel that love or companionship that she had not yet experienced. Which is understandable for person who is never experienced it before. But now, the bubble has broken, reality is staring her in the face. So like the promo said, one side is her love and one side is her best friend's house. What will she choose or will circumstances choose for her? I guess, this moment is her real test and Kunal's and Mauli's reaction will play a bigger part in it.

I guess the message here would be that love is stronger than friendship because even with Mauli, we see that she is firm in her decision to break her friendship with Nandini. There is no hesitation there but Kunal has not yet got that ultimatum, nor did she throw him out of the house or her life. There is still hope in her for a reconciliation. (I have not seen today's episode). Same goes with Nandini.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1



kekeke... there must be very few of us who are not on any team. 😆

in terms of dramatic tension, the CVs have done a good job. the last time I watched a hindi serial on this ema-focused theme was on zee quite a few years back -- the guy ends up leaving the wife for her cousin sister! and she picks up her life after that... in terms of treatment, it was quite mature but it was also super boring! LOL... so I ended up dropping it.

one does need some masala to keep one's interest. 😆 kekeke... in that way, despite the continuous stares and silent expressions, there is enough dramatic tension that one is interested to tune in. so in an absurd way, the lack of explanations and vagueness keeps you wondering what on earth is going on. hahahahah...

however, it would be nice if there was some more dialogue.. rajdeep seriously has the best lines in the drama. in the last few episodes, I wondered if the actors just got sheets that said "look sad and broken for 5 minutes and we will shoot you from every angle!" hahahahhah... 😆 the only dialogue in some bits came from the ads! 😆



hahaha...not in any team from the perspective of going into arguments mode..😳
but started the show for DD being part of it, other actors seemed good too.

and also because, the initial promo looked promising, the song and emotions in "Ae dil izazat hai tujhko.." was attractive.
It is a different thing that the CVs could not bring the feel that is there in the song..😆
but it looked like the story will be from other women's perspective covering impacts on everyone..some unusual approach to unfold the story.

I agree that masala and drama is needed to bring in the interest..but too much of it will lose the essence of main ingredients. And that is the point, an expert/genius will be capable enough in keeping viewers hooked without relying too much on the gimmicks, like too much of masala, too much of emotional scenes, but use it only in right quotient.

Yeah, I also think they need more words, and better choice of words to bring in the clarity in actions, reasons, intentions of the characters...else it will always be left to the viewers interpretation and speculations..delusional, shallow, selfish, whatever it may be there needs a clarity.

Rajdeep, hahaha...haven't watched the recent ones, but there used to be few funny antics in the initial episodes as well..hope it does not overshadow his cruel, vicious, black side though!! 😊


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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: SummerRain7

Pamk06 - More questions on your last post. See, if Nandini expected only a Radha kind of love, what should we make of that coffee shop conversation? She first said she is not liking f fact that they are deceiving Mauli. And when he responded he will no longer be able to lie, she did not really protest. So what was she thinking? That once Mauli finds out, she would stop keeping relation with Kunal? Or it was up to Kunal to choose? Like what was she thinking?


This is a tuff one. One way would be that it was CV's way to tell us that they are very serious about each other and their intention with respect to Mauli because of all the bashing they were getting for the divine angle. Also, they were setting up the base, so that when we see them now, and see their strong bond, we understand their actions.

The other way would be that, I am going to go with what DD said in one of the OLV's. That eventually they would have told Mauli because both are not comfortable lying but that was not now. When they would have done that, they would have had a plan, would have been prepared for the aftermath, would have been prepared for the hurt that was going to be inflicted on Mauli and it would have all been on their terms.

But Mauli found out in the most cruelest way possible and everything just blew up in their faces. They were not prepared for it. At that moment, her priority became Mauli and her friendship not her love. Hence we see her telling Kunal to be with Mauli and take care of her. She is not even thinking about how all this is going to impact her life or her relationship. For her, right now, its saving her friend's marriage and her friendship and for that if she has to be "Radha" so be it .




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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

@pamk06 @summerrain7 -- so this has been an interesting two episodes. am not sure why nandini was thinking in dropping kunal off at his house though...

but here's some random thoughts: so I found her conversation with rajdeep interesting in terms of body language because she was looking directly at him. when she tells him that she doesn't care if he calls her shameful, she is defiant and looking in his eye. she tells him that he can give up his smoke dream that she will come back to him because she is not coming back even if she ends up on the street -- there was a lot of defiance and straight on eyes talking...

then she meets kunal's mom and her eyes are down and she can barely look up. then she meets mouli and she can barely look up. mouli keeps asking questions which she has no answers and then when mouli tears the photo and tells her that friendship is over -- nandini looks up at this point and looks straight at mouli.

for nandini, when she has absolutely nothing to lose and she looks up defiant, angry and willing to take what she needs.

what was also clear is that mouli and kunal's mom assume that this is a fling or a moment of lust he had. they have no idea how serious these two actually are about each other and that is going to come as a huge shock. this whole divine angle perhaps was to show that this isn't a fling but a far more serious breaking of relationship.

and the more people are going to spit on their face, the more they have nothing to lose and so they choose what they want.


I also really liked the way they showed them shamefaced in front of his mom and Mauli but in front of Rajdeep she was all defiant and strong because he frankly has no place to speak.

The only two things that Nandini had were her friendship and his love and I see her fighting for both. I used to think that when she sees that she has to sacrifice one for the other, she will sacrifice both. But based on what you are saying, may be now that she knows she has lost the friendship, she might only fight for love.

Thus, @bold: this is exactly what DD said yesterday that when the whole world abandons you and you are the only two people for each other, the bond becomes stronger. I guess we will see that in the coming episodes and may be Kunal perspective would get more clear (One can always hope).

@bold2: Based on today's episode, what were your thoughts? Was Kunal telling Mauli that their moments were true but then he does not know when he changed direction? He says he is her culprit, same like confession, and he is ready for her punishment but refuses to call their moments together as a lie. Does this mean he fell out of love? Even though the said he made a mistake, I did not feel that he was calling his love for Nandini a mistake because of all the use of past tense? or was he? Thoughts???



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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


I guess its with the speed that they moved forwards is where all of us feel the disconnect. But now, when I look back, I see the connections. I feel its lack on CV's part that we are struggling to analyze their scenes. They should be the ones doing it with flashbacks, self talk or a narrator would also do at this point 😆

@bold: Exactly, and for once CV's were successful in showing the difference. The Kunal that is with Mauli is completely different to the Kunal that is with Nandini and the Kunal she loves is not Mauli husband. If I am even making sense here.

When she was in that bubble, she had the best of both world and she was Ok, even happy with it. She knew she was doing wrong but one way to look at it would be that she was helpless in front of her emotions or even greedy to feel that love or companionship that she had not yet experienced. Which is understandable for person who is never experienced it before. But now, the bubble has broken, reality is staring her in the face. So like the promo said, one side is her love and one side is her best friend's house. What will she choose or will circumstances choose for her? I guess, this moment is her real test and Kunal's and Mauli's reaction will play a bigger part in it.

I guess the message here would be that love is stronger than friendship because even with Mauli, we see that she is firm in her decision to break her friendship with Nandini. There is no hesitation there but Kunal has not yet got that ultimatum, nor did she throw him out of the house or her life. There is still hope in her for a reconciliation. (I have not seen today's episode). Same goes with Nandini.



it is interesting that as a wife, we would agree with mouli priotiorizing love over friendship and her firmness in cutting off the friendship with nandini. whereas, nandini makes the same call and we are asking "but why?" ... guess at the end of the day, the CVs are saying that our priorities are like a pyramid and there can only be one at the peak and we have to be clear in what that is...

and yea, I agree with you @summmerrain7 -- nandini had compartmentalized her love for kunal and kunal as mauli's husband as two different areas. the shift was probably subtle in their interactions where he moved from "kunal mauli's husband" to just "kunal".. perhaps, we missed it in the noise or maybe the CVs were a bit too subtle but it was probably there in the beginning itself. this compartmentalization cannot happen suddenly but built over time.

one reason that she was willing to just wait in the shadows was because of her friendship with mauli but since that is now broken, the gloves will come off and she is going to be very open about how she feels for kunal. she has absolutely nothing left to lose. the person who has lots to lose is kunal and so it will be interesting to see how he reacts...
Edited by mango_pudding1 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


I also really liked the way they showed them shamefaced in front of his mom and Mauli but in front of Rajdeep she was all defiant and strong because he frankly has no place to speak.

The only two things that Nandini had were her friendship and his love and I see her fighting for both. I used to think that when she sees that she has to sacrifice one for the other, she will sacrifice both. But based on what you are saying, may be now that she knows she has lost the friendship, she might only fight for love.

Thus, @bold: this is exactly what DD said yesterday that when the whole world abandons you and you are the only two people for each other, the bond becomes stronger. I guess we will see that in the coming episodes and may be Kunal perspective would get more clear (One can always hope).

@bold2: Based on today's episode, what were your thoughts? Was Kunal telling Mauli that their moments were true but then he does not know when he changed direction? He says he is her culprit, same like confession, and he is ready for her punishment but refuses to call their moments together as a lie. Does this mean he fell out of love? Even though the said he made a mistake, I did not feel that he was calling his love for Nandini a mistake because of all the use of past tense? or was he? Thoughts???





nandini being abandoned by everyone is obvious but it is also happening with kunal. all the women in his life are on team mouli and so he is alone. of course, the usual funny complaint from a man in a house full of women is that no one is his side but here it is full on true. in the promo, we see him walking out...

it was interesting to see his reaction with mouli tearing the photographs. as I was listening to him, I was reminded of our earlier discussions of how people are either vaguely unhappy and keep moving in life or don't know if they are happy at all because they are so busy... basically those photos are good memories and so it wasn't a lie that he cared for her and had affection for her. but did he love her as a woman? that is the question I want mouli to ask and we will get a clear picture on what happened with kunal -- whether he fell out of love or was never in love itself.

and yea, I don't think he feels his love for nandini a mistake at all because he is even muttering her name in his sleep. and when the phone rings, his entire body language is completely focused on the phone much to mouli's shock and anger. you can almost see him battle his urge to pick up the phone vs keeping the peace with mouli.

as for his punishments, it is hard to understand unless we know where his intentions are. my guess was that he meant that he was okay with mouli dishing out whatever they do in nasty divorces like fighting for alimony, defamation etc. however, mouli was translating his punishments to mean that he wants to fight it out for their relationship and willing to apologize.
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Posted: 6 years ago
@Mango_Pudding
When did Mauli choose Kunal over Nandini? If you remember Mauli gave Nandini a second chance and Nandini ruined her life and there was no circumstances where she had to choose one, she's confused about Kunal and she doesn't know that he slept with Nandini, so there is no point of choosing anyone, Mauli clearly stated it wasn't about Kunal, but about Mauli and Nandini...

Mauli met Nandini after 7 years, Mauli loves Nandini but at which point she claimed that Nandini is more important to her than Kunal? If Nandini is Mauli's friend then Kunal is her husband and friend, she has spent a huge part of her life with him, Nandini came back like a month ago.

I have a question, what makes you think that Nandini was doing anything for her friend? In the show they are showing that Nandini didn't even apologize to Mauli, Mauli had to go to her for confrontation, she shivered for a while then next day she's calling and messaging Kunal, I won't say Kunal is having second thoughts but at least he understands that Mauli is in pain, he's at least guilty for hurting Mauli, I don't see that from Nandini.

You have to understand the difference between friends here one (Mauli) helped Nandini when she was at her worst and one (Nandini) gave her friend the biggest pain of her life and after hurting someone who did so much for you, you don't even think before hurting her even more, she is not 10, if you are saying that she left Kunal at Mauli's place but isn't she old enough to understand that she should give him some space, she has seen Mauli's condition, right?
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Posted: 6 years ago
@fruitytoasty -- we were referring to yesterday's scene where mouli is tearing the friendship photo. as mouli said, she has no idea what is going to happen with her and kunal but the friendship is definitely over and ended.

in terms of themes from CVs, it seems to be about prioritization. (we can agree or disagree with them but just seeing from literary angle). so from CV's view, it is not possible to have both friendship and love on same importance scale. meaning both can't be rated top priority. only one can which means that you may be to sacrifice/lose/spend less on whatever your second priority is.

as for your question -- I don't think nandini is doing anything for mouli actually and so I agree with you on that. what we were discussing is why she was willing to wait in the shadows or take a backseat to mouli by dropping kunal off in their house as opposed to taking him back to her house after getting him treated in hospital. am still not sure about that bit though we have some possible ideas in terms of guilt or friendship dynamics etc. we need a few more episodes to see how the CVs are building the dynamic and then take a look to see how this whole train was built.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1



nandini being abandoned by everyone is obvious but it is also happening with kunal. all the women in his life are on team mouli and so he is alone. of course, the usual funny complaint from a man in a house full of women is that no one is his side but here it is full on true. in the promo, we see him walking out...

it was interesting to see his reaction with mouli tearing the photographs. as I was listening to him, I was reminded of our earlier discussions of how people are either vaguely unhappy and keep moving in life or don't know if they are happy at all because they are so busy... basically those photos are good memories and so it wasn't a lie that he cared for her and had affection for her. but did he love her as a woman? that is the question I want mouli to ask and we will get a clear picture on what happened with kunal -- whether he fell out of love or was never in love itself.

and yea, I don't think he feels his love for nandini a mistake at all because he is even muttering her name in his sleep. and when the phone rings, his entire body language is completely focused on the phone much to mouli's shock and anger. you can almost see him battle his urge to pick up the phone vs keeping the peace with mouli.

as for his punishments, it is hard to understand unless we know where his intentions are. my guess was that he meant that he was okay with mouli dishing out whatever they do in nasty divorces like fighting for alimony, defamation etc. however, mouli was translating his punishments to mean that he wants to fight it out for their relationship and willing to apologize.



I love Malhotra women, they are compassionate and equally strong, I think there is more to Kunal's mom and dad because Jaya ji is an excellent actress, I don't wanna believe that they will waste her like this.
First few episodes are enough to know that kunal did love Mauli as a woman, I remember Shakti saying in an IV that Kunal has made a mistake and it's not love for Nandini, at first I thought they changed the story but now it seems that they are sticking to the main plot and that taking Nandini's name was because he was recalling last night and he thought Nandini is with Rajdeep, I don't see depth in their relationship, it has always been about Kunal saving Nandini, as strong as women are in his family, I think Nandini just came as someone who needs him physically, she brings out that chauvinistic instincts in him (I don't wanna say manly because I think men should be comfortable with their masculinity, If they need to protect a woman, it's not manly for me) BR]
I want a court session now, it's high time Nandini gets divorce and court orders counseling for her because she is not normal.
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Posted: 6 years ago

@mango pudding.

it was interesting to see his reaction with mouli tearing the photographs. as I was listening to him, I was reminded of our earlier discussions of how people are either vaguely unhappy and keep moving in life or don't know if they are happy at all because they are so busy... basically those photos are good memories and so it wasn't a lie that he cared for her and had affection for her. but did he love her as a woman?
Did he love her like a woman?? I don't get this. Kunal and mouli were not just in a relationship. They are husband and wife. They had two years of courtship five years of marriage. In marriage they would have had all those intimate moments of husband and wife. To give it any other name as affection or friendship just because he found what CVS would call as true love is disgusting. If they try to say that it was friendship then kunal is worst character on tv for he has used a woman physically and financially. Better they come up with something like he did love mouli but felt a little more love for nandhini. Anything else would lead to comparing kunal with raj deep, one is aggressive and the other passive.
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