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Posted: 6 years ago
@pamk06 -- in one of my fav kdramas, there was this argument between mother and son. mother behind his back was giving girlfriend a hard time and finally she calls off their relationship. when he finds out, he is furious with the mother. she asks if the girlfriend is so important, he says that the way he was treated makes him furious! he feels disrespected and treated like he wasn't a man by his own mother and thats what ticks him off. he tells her that if she disliked the girlfriend, then she should have told him and talked to him and not gone behind his back. he is angry that he couldn't be a man and do his bit in protecting the woman he loved and feels angry at himself that he failed as a man.

see that similar kind of dynamic here. many would probably interpret it as fighting for nandini but the way he worded it, seemed like more he was actually fighting to be seen as himself. and it is right that he takes responsibility because he was the one who decided to pursue it no matter what when he stopped her at the bus stop... yet everyone acts like he has no brains and no decision making ability. in a backhanded way, it is an insult to him that they are not confronting him.

and your argument about telling him about the child does make sense. like you said, there are plenty of divorced parents and they do co-parent successfully. however, if the CVs show both kunal and mauli unite and present this happy front for the child, they will have to butcher the characters as it is obvious that they are going to be very unhappy together and it will be loveless marriage. all depends on the TRPs no?
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: mango_pudding1

@pamk06 -- in one of my fav kdramas, there was this argument between mother and son. mother behind his back was giving girlfriend a hard time and finally she calls off their relationship. when he finds out, he is furious with the mother. she asks if the girlfriend is so important, he says that the way he was treated makes him furious! he feels disrespected and treated like he wasn't a man by his own mother and thats what ticks him off. he tells her that if she disliked the girlfriend, then she should have told him and talked to him and not gone behind his back. he is angry that he couldn't be a man and do his bit in protecting the woman he loved and feels angry at himself that he failed as a man.

see that similar kind of dynamic here. many would probably interpret it as fighting for nandini but the way he worded it, seemed like more he was actually fighting to be seen as himself. and it is right that he takes responsibility because he was the one who decided to pursue it no matter what when he stopped her at the bus stop... yet everyone acts like he has no brains and no decision making ability. in a backhanded way, it is an insult to him that they are not confronting him.

and your argument about telling him about the child does make sense. like you said, there are plenty of divorced parents and they do co-parent successfully. however, if the CVs show both kunal and mauli unite and present this happy front for the child, they will have to butcher the characters as it is obvious that they are going to be very unhappy together and it will be loveless marriage. all depends on the TRPs no?



kdramas??

Yes, makes sense, it all comes down to the fact that he is invisible to his family but then the question comes up that is he really in love with Nandini or is this his attempt at rebellion? If they would not have pushed that divine love to us, at this moment, my first thought would have been infatuation. But he would not have gone to this lengths for infatuation right? May be, his step at confession might be rebellion but his feelings for Nandini might still be genuine as they started way before that...

No, I do not want tem to unite in marriage. That is a definitely a "No". They should divorce and that is the path they should take but well I feel he should know about the baby. But then it can happen that he will continue with the marriage if he finds out about the baby which would be an unhappy affair altogether. So it is a lose-lose situation...Anyways, as this is ITV, they will use the whole pregnancy to as plot point, be it miscarriage or actual child.


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Posted: 6 years ago
@pamk06 -- kdramas is korean dramas. will send you message with details. think you would enjoy that drama.

now back to this drama, we can keep going in circles if it is infatuation or love with nandini and what his relationship with mauli meant but it feels like it is too late for the CVs to present that. so we are always going to have those kind of questions but can only go with what they presented. but yea, we were wondering if it is saving prince syndrome he had but it now looks more and more that this relationship with nandini is really about finding his voice. whether or not, it has depth, we will have to see if the CVs stick with but based on how the CVs presented, will have to take at face value that it is also love for nandini that he is becoming so assertive.

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Posted: 6 years ago
I agree with both of you. Kunal should know about the child and in an ideal situation I would want him to know about the child. It should be his and Mauli's decision then on what they want to do next.

But the way Radhika and Dida want him to know is so that he is forced into staying with Mauli in a loveless marriage. It's not about the child, it's about tying Kunal down. That's why I'm against him finding out. Because this is a TV serial, the CVs will make it so that Mauli tells Kunal about the child, Kunal realizes (out of nowhere) that he actually loves Mauli, both stay together happily, and Nandini be damned. That's what it is bound to happen when Kunal finds out about the child.

Now I hate to say this, but I actually think that Kunal will suffer more if Mauli suffers a miscarriage. If Mauli suffers a miscarriage in the next little bit, it will be directly tied to his anger at Mauli. He will be guilt-tripped and he himself will feel guilty. Not only will he feel guilty that he didn't know about the child, but he'll also feel guilty that he manhandled Mauli and accused of her stuff that led to her suffering a miscarriage.

Also I do agree that Kunal hasn't had a chance to make any decision for himself. It might explain why he got attracted to Nandini. With Nandini he was able to be affirmative, make decisions, and feel like he has a say. With Mauli, she handled everything and his opinion was never needed. But at the same time, Kunal isn't putting this across properly. He yells and abuses Mauli, but where is the proper tone that explains his decision in a way that Dida and Radhika understand that it is final? Yelling and abusing will make anyone think that he's lost it.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

...But at the same time, Kunal isn't putting this across properly. He yells and abuses Mauli, but where is the proper tone that explains his decision in a way that Dida and Radhika understand that it is final? Yelling and abusing will make anyone think that he's lost it.



this is a super dysfunctional family that seems to hate conflict. have you ever heard of a family that goes out celebrating one festival after another when there is a personal crisis at home? would any family dress up and go out when the conflict is not even close to being resolved? normal reaction is to sit at home and discuss what happened. ask, fight, cry or sit in a room alone. not go out and pretend that everything is normal when everyone knows what happened and people are bound to ask questions.

dida and radhika are the elders but they didn't want to ask a single question or word to kunal. that is bizarre. so the only time, we hear any truth is when there is yelling and abusing. basically when someone loses it. otherwise, the whole family motto is to be silent and pretend. this is dysfunctional and CVs really need to show a reason for such weird behaviour...

so back to kunal -- yea, they will think he has lost it and blame nandini for it but really it is their own home dynamic where he hasn't learned how to resolve conflict in a better way...
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Posted: 6 years ago
@mango_pudding : Actually what you say regarding her love being the reason for him being assertive. That can very well be the case. No one has a total personality change but some facets of personality does change or come to fore based on the situation or how much we value certain things in life.
In my case, I was a very shy person at school and college but just before starting my Masters, I decided that i am not going to be that anymore, I am going to be outgoing, I am going to talk to people, I am going to be the leader and not the follower. Yes, I am still a shy person but then I force myself to come out of that comfort zone. I have got so use to it now, that my colleagues laugh when i tell them that I am a very shy person at heart. They actually make fun of me. Only my husband and my mother knows, how very shy I actually am.

Kunal love for Nandini might be that for him, He knows that for her love he has to fight everyone society, family etc and he has to make a stand for it and hence that assertion comes out. He has to be the strong one there because he knows given a chance Nandini will run away and on one sign of weakness his family will pull him back. So either he has to buckle up or pay the prize with his love.

@profmcgonall: Yes, I do agree that he will suffer more because of miscarriage rather than staying away from the child. After the whole scene that he has done plus the hurt that he has already given Mauli, he would go on an horrible guilt trip. It would be really be very heart wrenching for him especially due to his love and a long time wish to have a child. Also, he will not be able to stay with Nandini because he would blame his love, not her for it and sacrificing that love (if its really that intense) would be another punishment for him. I do not want that to happen to Mauli but if I see it only from Kunal's POV, then yes, these would be bigger punishment.
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Posted: 6 years ago

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I feel it's the same with Kunal and family. Dida and Radhika are your typical elders. They don't see anything wrong. They call it a part of life. But they don't realize that you need to talk it out sometimes. You need to discuss. That's why Kunal doesn't feel heard and so he yells and abuses. But Kunal also needs to understand that yelling and abusing is not going to make them hear anything. He just needs to tell them calmly, but firmly that he loves Nandini and there is no chance of reconciliation with Mauli. End of story. Agreed he hasn't learnt how to do that from the home front, but I'm sure he must have learnt that from somewhere. I learnt how to talk calmly from work and university. I learnt how to put a point across without taunting someone. So how is it that he hasn't?


Actually Kunal only yells and screams when he is scared. it happened three times in the past. First was after Roohani Arzoo when he acknowledged that there is nothing he can do about his feeling for Nandini and now his path is only to move forward. But after coming home, he was faced with the fact that if he walks that path, he will have to separate from his family. He lashed out at Mauli then blaming her for given Nandini the saree and bringing her to concert. Totally unreasonable. The other two times were similar, one was during the electrician scene where he was delaying Nandini departure and Mauli was insisting that he needs to do it now. Third time, was at Nandini house when Mauli made fun of hm that he will miss Nandini the most because of the food and he was scared that she was referring to his feelings. The outburst in all three cases was due to his fear and his words were totally unreasonable, in contrast to his actual feelings . Yesterday was also his fear of Nandini leaving which was making hims say those words.

If you see the scene before that, he was very calm and quiet when he explained to Mauli that their relationship is over and now separate is the path to go. He was sympathetic but firm. There was no anger there. It was only an amicable logical speech. He lost it when he thought Nandini has left and blamed Mauli because he thought she was the reason. Yesterday was not about telling his family, that was a side effect, it was totally his fear talking and Mauli became the victim.

Also, we see him repeating the words "Jhoot nahi bolna tha" because in his mind, his family has again manipulated him rather than confronting him about his decision and actions. If Dida would not have done drama and asked him @bold would have actually happened but we will never know now.



PS: Glad to hear you are out of it now. Yes, sometimes its easier to talk to others than family members mainly because of generation gap, different thinking etc. But the issue here is them asking him. People keep saying that he did not tell, no one has stopped him but I have objection on them not asking/questioning him because this is basically a question on their upbringing.
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: pamk06


PS: Glad to hear you are out of it now. Yes, sometimes its easier to talk to others than family members mainly because of generation gap, different thinking etc. But the issue here is them asking him. People keep saying that he did not tell, no one has stopped him but I have objection on them not asking/questioning him because this is basically a question on their upbringing.



Again though I would argue that this is just how some families are. Some families are just so formal or distant that there is no talking, questioning, heart-to-heart conversations, etc. amongst them. I haven't seen the show from the beginning so I can't be sure, but from what I've seen that's what this family looks like. Mauli didn't share her basic problems or tensions with Dida or Radhika or even Kunal. She only broke down in front of them when she saw Kunal and Nandini together.

Think about this. Mauli just found out Kunal was cheating on her with her best friend. She's heartbroken as anyone would be. Then Kunal gets thrown out of the house. The next day Mauli is getting dressed up, seems to be fine, and claims to be going to work. In such a situation wouldn't you have gone beyond face value and tried to confirm that Mauli was actually fine? But Dida and Radhika didn't do anything like that. Why? Did they really think Mauli was fine?

It's these small details that just go to show you that this family isn't as close as they appear to be. So Kunal talking to them doesn't make sense and neither does them asking questions. But if they take stuff at face value, then why don't they take what Kunal said at face value as well? He said there's no chance of Mauli and me. He loves Nandini. Then why are they still hellbent on bringing Mauli and Kunal together again?!!
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Posted: 6 years ago

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall



Again though I would argue that this is just how some families are. Some families are just so formal or distant that there is no talking, questioning, heart-to-heart conversations, etc. amongst them. I haven't seen the show from the beginning so I can't be sure, but from what I've seen that's what this family looks like. Mauli didn't share her basic problems or tensions with Dida or Radhika or even Kunal. She only broke down in front of them when she saw Kunal and Nandini together.

Think about this. Mauli just found out Kunal was cheating on her with her best friend. She's heartbroken as anyone would be. Then Kunal gets thrown out of the house. The next day Mauli is getting dressed up, seems to be fine, and claims to be going to work. In such a situation wouldn't you have gone beyond face value and tried to confirm that Mauli was actually fine? But Dida and Radhika didn't do anything like that. Why? Did they really think Mauli was fine?

It's these small details that just go to show you that this family isn't as close as they appear to be. So Kunal talking to them doesn't make sense and neither does them asking questions. But if they take stuff at face value, then why don't they take what Kunal said at face value as well? He said there's no chance of Mauli and me. He loves Nandini. Then why are they still hellbent on bringing Mauli and Kunal together again?!!



Actually they have shown that Mauli has always been a person who has kept a strong face and her emotions hidden in front of the family. The only two people she actually showed her emotions or her insecurities were Nandini and Kunal, not even her mother. When the bridge incident happened, where everyone thought Kunal died, Mauli was shown to be strong and holding her self together even though she was very scared and wanted to breakdown. She only did that in private and in front of Nandini and also mentioned that she cannot do that in front of the family as she needs to hold them together. May be that's has always been the dynamics of their family where Mauli is concerned, she is the person who the ladies lean on, hence they taking her words at face value after confrontation.

But in case of Kunal, they have shown many times his mother taking him to task and showing him a mirror whenever he hurt Mauli and forcing him to make things up with her. Hence when she is not doing the same thing now, just does not seem right or is weird especially as those instances were not that significant.
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