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Posted: 13 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: lstv

Good post Annika. What you have written is so typical of so many Indian families. I know of couples who are married in name only. I know this woman who talks tauntingly about her husband behind his back.

Happy marriages seem so few--i wonder if people should marry for anything other than love.And a newly wedded love should extend into mature love that lasts through ups and downs.

In showbiz, one hears of unhappy marriages, affairs, broken marriages, survived marriages; so many inside stories which reveal so much unhappiness behind peaceful facade.

I have seen enough of life to understand that a divorced person is NOT a bad person. Just mostly unlucky in love, not sensible enough to handle marriage through a lifetime.



@bold

From my posts on this forum, most people would know that I'm not such a great advocate of marriage for the sake of marriage at all. But it is wrong to think that a person who gets a divorce is not sensible to handle marriage. In some cases it is the most sensible decision a woman can make. If she's married to an Indian man and she's sensible and educated and financially independent, then getting a divorce would probably be the most sensible decision of her life

PS: pardon my personal prejudices peeking through there

PPS: Damn alliteration, Like a friend once said during my long rant "Oh Ashi, you've finally reached P's in the dictionary"
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32


I would say Naj that you are well rid of the relatives who cut you off for supporting your cousin. Think of tomorrow, when you are going through a personal crisis or something, it would be these very people who will pull you down once again. They'll be the ones spreading stories about you and calling you names. The further you have from your life, the better off you'll be.

I have personally cut off relations with one of my uncles - my mother's eldest brother - I took that decision when I was 16 and to that I haven't changed in stonewalling them. Everyone in the family knows why I took that decision and even though no one has the guts to cut them off, no one even questions me about my stand. The best part is that even they all know that and dare not speak one word against anyone in my immediate family - mother, sister or father - knowing that I'll not spare them if they utter even word.

Support your cousin, and her mother, forget about the rest.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33
My personal opinion on Divorce - If during a temporary bout of insanity you find that you've made the ultimate mistake of tying the knot, then get the hell out of that bad place as soon as you can.

I'm a very practical person and I find it incomprehensible that one fine day I decide and declare to the world - "From this day forth, I'll not be attracted to any other man" or even worse "From this day onwards, I'll only be attracted to this one man and continue to be attracted to him." it is ridiculous to say the least.

Naturally during the course of my life - I'll meet so many men who are much more good-looking, smarter, wittier, wealthier and more in love with me than my current partner. The same goes for him too.

I can't blame my date if he automatically turns to drool at the young 20yr old, who walks past in the briefest of micro-minies. Hell, if he didn't admire a good looking girl, how will I know that he's got such a good thing sitting right next to him? He has to have a good taste in order to appreciate the wonderful person that I am :))

Divorce - get one if you can't live with each other. Better be good friends and exes than make everyone's life miserable. Children whose parents separate amicably are far more mature and well-grounded than the ones whose parents continue to make each other's lives miserable.

Life is too short and stressed out to carry a bad relationship through.

And from there comes my definition of love, as I mentioned a few weeks back in another thread. True test of love is that which lasts through 30 years of living together. Because by then one would've seen the best and the worst of each other. If you are still together after all that and want to be together - Hats Off.

As for society, I think society would be really better off if more people adopted the policy of minding their own business. Before commenting on someone else's marital state, please look to the argument you had with your husband. Before telling someone how to lead their lives, sort out your own mess first.

Society is no different from us. It is comprised of people - we, our families, our neighbors, our relatives, our colleagues. That is society. It is not an abstract thing that cannot be defined or touched. It is simply the people around us.

It may sound amazing, but the people around us see us exactly the way we see ourselves - in our heart of hearts. If we have the confidence down to the core of our beings that what we've done is right, "kisi mai ke laal mein himmat nahi hai jo aapse sawal kare" (sometimes filmi lines do help 😆)

Well that's my two bits on it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#34

Sad to see altercation between some members here and odd to see a member taking everything personally or as some attack. Relax!

@Chitrashi

I am in two minds really. I have been so cold towards him for so many years that now I feel odd how to approach him!! 😕

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Well no one is promoting divorce here. But it's a fact that one should not be judged severely simply on basis of being divorced!! Coming to Aamir's personal life, it is said Reena still holds stakes in Aamir Khan Productions and also runs a big hotel in Mumbai.

I do not wish to dissect it all. But would just say that if two people have worked out things between each other, then who is society or extended family to comment?

Some like my uncle and aunt choose to completely move apart and close the previous marriage chapter completely. Some get divorced but continue to stay in touch either as friends or as business associates. It's really between individuals!!!

There was a time when I happened to live in a neighbourhood which seemed to have too many single/divorced/widowed women. Some stories of divorced women were absolutely ugly. Their former husbands had deserted them, not even provided sufficient alimony and refused to take care of kids! That is when things get nasty and person should be bashed. I know a talented, studious boy who despite getting good mark was unable to take admission at a good university simply because his mother did not earn enough to pay the expensive fees and his father had severed all ties with them after divorce and even his mother's relatives were not helping him!!😡

This is what you call neglect or deserting! This is something which should definitely be protested against.

I even know of a twisted family where they would keep kids taking turns! For 6 months the man would keep the son and his former wife would keep the daughter, for next 6 months they would exchange the kids! The kids would keep shuttling between two parents and I could see how the daughter was literally unwanted by her father and the guy seemed to want to keep the son with him than the daughter!🤢 I knew how weird it was for her and her brother, never been able to live together as siblings, and always having to shuttle between two homes!

These are things which I do oppose. So in case you have kids and later decide to take divorce at some point, then do take care of kids. Don't leave them to rot with either spouse or throw them at grandparents house or some boarding school. And don't deny to help them with their education and daily living expenses! Marriage might have broken, you fell out with spouse, but do not ignore responsibility for kids!!

In Aamir-Reena's case at least and thankfully, they both ensured that break up does not affect kids. I remember reading Shahid Kapur's interview in Brunch mag how he had to live at nana's house after both his parents remarried respectively after divorce and had kids with new spouses. He said it felt odd but he dealt with it.

And one point Shahid made in end was poignant and something we all need to learn from - he said people should let families and individuals deal with it themselves and not try to get a kick by gossiping or pretending to talk in ''concern''.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#35
"It may sound amazing, but the people around us see us exactly the way we see ourselves - in our heart of hearts. If we have the confidence down to the core of our beings that what we've done is right, "kisi mai ke laal mein himmat nahi hai jo aapse sawal kare" (sometimes filmi lines do help 😆)

Well that's my two bits on it."true .
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: annika20

Sad to see altercation between some members here and odd to see a member taking everything personally or as some attack. Relax!

@Chitrashi

I am in two minds really. I have been so cold towards him for so many years that now I feel odd how to approach him!! 😕

TOPIC:

Well no one is promoting divorce here. But it's a fact that one should not be judged severely simply on basis of being divorced!! Coming to Aamir's personal life, it is said Reena still holds stakes in Aamir Khan Productions and also runs a big hotel in Mumbai.

I do not wish to dissect it all. But would just say that if two people have worked out things between each other, then who is society or extended family to comment?

Some like my uncle and aunt choose to completely move apart and close the previous marriage chapter completely. Some get divorced but continue to stay in touch either as friends or as business associates. It's really between individuals!!!

There was a time when I happened to live in a neighbourhood which seemed to have too many single/divorced/widowed women. Some stories of divorced women were absolutely ugly. Their former husbands had deserted them, not even provided sufficient alimony and refused to take care of kids! That is when things get nasty and person should be bashed. I know a talented, studious boy who despite getting good mark was unable to take admission at a good university simply because his mother did not earn enough to pay the expensive fees and his father had severed all ties with them after divorce and even his mother's relatives were not helping him!!😡

This is what you call neglect or deserting! This is something which should definitely be protested against.

I even know of a twisted family where they would keep kids taking turns! For 6 months the man would keep the son and his former wife would keep the daughter, for next 6 months they would exchange the kids! The kids would keep shuttling between two parents and I could see how the daughter was literally unwanted by her father and the guy seemed to want to keep the son with him than the daughter!🤢 I knew how weird it was for her and her brother, never been able to live together as siblings, and always having to shuttle between two homes!

These are things which I do oppose. So in case you have kids and later decide to take divorce at some point, then do take care of kids. Don't leave them to rot with either spouse or throw them at grandparents house or some boarding school. And don't deny to help them with their education and daily living expenses! Marriage might have broken, you fell out with spouse, but do not ignore responsibility for kids!!

In Aamir-Reena's case at least and thankfully, they both ensured that break up does not affect kids. I remember reading Shahid Kapur's interview in Brunch mag how he had to live at nana's house after both his parents remarried respectively after divorce and had kids with new spouses. He said it felt odd but he dealt with it.

And one point Shahid made in end was poignant and something we all need to learn from - he said people should let families and individuals deal with it themselves and not try to get a kick by gossiping or pretending to talk in ''concern''.

u o feel when u opne a topic people belonging to different schools of thoughts will post. if all u want is an aye and no naye then whats the use.
i would like o ask out of sheer curosity where have i endorsed sticking to a spouse at all costs?
and since i really want to interact with you on this matter as u seem a very sensible person i owuld request you to kindly send me a PM regarding my query. thanks and i hope u consider my request.
Edited by earth1978 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: znursingh

well as i have said before ... life is impossible to live if we let negative opinions rule us.
i will leave the forum if I WANT TO. not beuase U WANT TO. and i am not becuase u have had the supreme pleasure or satisfaction of having silenced me with ur views or shooeing me away with ur super aggressive replies but becuase i have a real life to live which by the way is very beautiful becuase i decided to combat my problems and go ahead. so u feel few kids posting in an internet forum r going to make a dent in it? lol no. go n pat ur self kid u did a great job today . nice post.👏

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Posted: 13 years ago
#38
@ Annika,

You are one brave girl for admitting your faults. As you can see via this thread itself, a lot of people don't like their views being challenged. You, however, challenged your own views and made the right decision.

Coming down to the topic...I feel divorce should be used as a last resort. It is always better to fix something that is broken, rather than chuck it away...of course I'm not thinking of relationships that involve DV...but if you just simply cannot live together, then it is fine.

Society...we make it...so if all of us stopped judging the divorced person...things would get better by themselves.Then again, we only judge them negatively because we want to feel good about ourselves...

Anyway, as long as (ex) miya (ex) biwi raazi, to kya kare ga qazi? 😆


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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: bewafa

@ Annika,


You are one brave girl for admitting your faults. As you can see via this thread itself, a lot of people don't like their views being challenged. You, however, challenged your own views and made the right decision.
making an exception to my vow to not reply here i have to say this , it goes both ways.

Coming down to the topic...I feel divorce should be used as a last resort. It is always better to fix something that is broken, rather than chuck it away...of course I'm not thinking of relationships that involve DV...but if you just simply cannot live together, then it is fine.
i think saying i would have preferred to see them resolving ther differences means the same thing. i have seen poeple asking for divorse even for wife not getting up and making a cup of chai. so yes there are flimsy reasons of divorse too. which can be worked out and worth giving a try. a reason why we have professional counselling for couples considering divorse.

Society...we make it...so if all of us stopped judging the divorced person...things would get better by themselves.Then again, we only judge them negatively because we want to feel good about ourselves...
i think someone here said others are going to judge me and find me progressive or not. thats judgmental 2 thing is it is our nature. the societal constructs i was talking about were different . things like incest/murder etc r undesirable again due to societal construst im sure those concepts dont exist in animal world.

Anyway, as long as (ex) miya (ex) biwi raazi, to kya kare ga qazi? 😆
of course no one can do that. and im sure none has any interest to. we r discussing divorse and whther it is prudent or not. we r giving our views we r not influencing a person midst divorse.


Edited by earth1978 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#40

@ earth1978

I think you assumed my post was directed at you? I'm sorry...that was miscommunication on my part as this was a very general post...and the only person to whom it was specifically directed at was Annika...a la the first para 😊


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