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-Purva- thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: bewafa

Coming down to the topic...I feel divorce should be used as a last resort. It is always better to fix something that is broken, rather than chuck it away...of course I'm not thinking of relationships that involve DV...but if you just simply cannot live together, then it is fine.

Too true. Only when one thinks that things have gone past the point where you lose respect for each other as persons and where you would only see negative in your spouse, should one go for a divorce - har pehle jhagde pe agar divorce hone lage toh mera 30 yrs ka benchmark toh koi achieve hi nahi karega :)

Society...we make it...so if all of us stopped judging the divorced person...things would get better by themselves.Then again, we only judge them negatively because we want to feel good about ourselves...

As I mentioned on another forum, in a separate discussion, men tend to see a happily divorced woman as a threat and therefore talk badly about her. They feel threatened because they see a woman with the guts and gumption to break out of the bounds of patriarchal society. They feel compelled to denigrate her because they think that otherwise the women in their own homes might one day kick them goodbye (tired of the ill-treatment they are getting).

As for women it is a simple case of jealousy. They put up with DV, emotional and physical abuse, constant humiliation at the hands of the in-laws and a slow eroding of their personalities and potential. They live with all this in the myth of a "marriage is sacrosanct" and when they see a woman who is successfully able to get out of a similar hell-hole they feel jealous - jealous that they didn't have the guts or the support system that the other woman had. So they start passing judgement on the divorcee, before someone asks them why they didn't do something to make their own life better.
Anyway, as long as (ex) miya (ex) biwi raazi, to kya kare ga qazi? 😆



Ohh and since we seem to be plagued by an acute sense of paranoia and persecution complex - my views are my own and not aimed at anybody. I've said as much and more before I knew of your existence and as for what you think and feel - "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"

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Posted: 13 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Chitrashi



Ohh and since we seem to be plagued by an acute sense of paranoia and persecution complex - my views are my own and not aimed at anybody. I've said as much and more before I knew of your existence and as for what you think and feel - "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn"

yeah u dont give a damn i know that only dont go asking people to join ur forum if that is what u plan to do.no body is interested in coming to your forum and have their private lives ripped apart for the perverted pleasure u guys seem to be deriving out of it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#43
@ chitrashi
one very good quote especially for you ...
" one can never really judge a woman unless u have stepped into her shoes and walk a mile in them"
i am NOT JEALOUS OF WOMEN SEEKING DIVORSE. i just recommend one assessing marriage post divorse and taking teh est route out.
not even slightest bit ashamed of myself, mylife, my replies or my qualities.
and as i had said to one very active member here but had later edited since i cared for their feelings :
"are u even human to be this apathetic!?"
anyway i am NOT GOING TO MAKE ANOTEHR PROFILE. it would be good if u kindly dotn interact with me at all on any platform ever.
good bye.
Edited by earth1978 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#44
Earth
on behalf of all the members here

- if someone invited u, its only cause this forum needs sane members with different/opposing view points so that one can have a healthy discussion

havent read all the posts, but u do see things as if they are being pointed to u(negatively) I do that too . But nobody, atleast initially was doing or even trying to do that, please be neutral and it was actually u who started the personal remarks.


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Posted: 13 years ago
#45

I sincerely apologize to the forum for inflicting this person on you. I know I am fully to blame for inviting this person here. please forgive this as an aberration of judgement and I hope that my friends would find it in their hearts to forgive this grave lapse.

I would turn my back to you all, so that you could kick my butt and thus be avenged on me, but then I thought you might construe that simple gesture of apology as an arrogant attempt to moon the forum, so I'm keeping my butt covered and sticking firmly to my chair.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: earth1978

@ chitrashi

one very good quote especially for you ...
" one can never really judge a woman unless u have stepped into her shoes and walk a mile in them"
the way u have thrown in the information of my personal life i myself provided to prove ur points makes for a very poor human quality.
ur judgements of me matter no more to me than anyone on the street.
no matter ur rants that ur refernces were not for me and ur accusations of persecution complex dont mean a thing to me as u know what u were aiming at. becuase the points u raised were clearly mentioned in my personal message to you. then u have the diplomacy to mask it by putting the accusation of persecution complex on the other person. at least have guts to aim it directly to me! lol i have a word for it too thats cowardice!
i am NOT JEALOUS OF WOMEN SEEKING DIVORSE. i just recommend one assessing marriage post divorse and taking teh est route out.
not even slightest bit ashamed of myself, mylife, my replies or my qualities.
u bash a fellow a woman who chose to work out her life the best way she thought possible? laudable! u call urself a feminist? modernist? far from it.
and as i had said to one very active member here but had later edited since i cared for their feelings :
"are u even human to be this apathetic!?"
anyway i am NOT GOING TO MAKE ANOTEHR PROFILE. it would be good if u kindly dotn interact with me at all on any platform ever.
good bye.




Are you going away? Truly? Finally? Won't go back on your promise and pop back up to have another last word?

One would think that you were the only woman to suffer from DV. Laudable as your decisions are, NOONE here asked you to share your life story with them. In fact the entire forum has been begging you n its knees to please keep your personal life - PERSONAL. It is you who insists on making it public.

Like Zee pointed out, you do have trouble reading. I've said the same things before I knew of your existence (I very much regret that bit of knowledge now)

By the way I don't call myself anything, it would be a very strange thing if I started calling myself something and talking - people might be tempted to put me in an asylum.

There are a lot of women on the forum who have shared their stories of DV and we've all felt sorry for the misery that they had to go through and proud of their achievements. In your case, my sympathies lie with your spouse. You should be proud of that, since I am a proclaimed misandrist, it is extremely rare for me to sympathize with the male partner. You've just successfully set a new gold standard.

Don't assume that I'm being mean to you directly or indirectly. SO far I'm treating you with kid gloves. The day I decide to take your education in manners and social behavior in my hands, you would wish for the soft treatment you are getting now.

And now one final word for you in case you decide to reply - SHOOO
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Posted: 13 years ago
#47
@annika - I havent read the complete post so cannot post my opinion on what family went through or if your mama mami were right. But I agree Divorce is sometimes liberation. Frees the individuals who have turned hostile towards each other even after being expected to stay together a lifetime. Imagine staying hostile all their life without ever resolving the issue. I have seen many couples around me getting divorced and many who inspite of having irreconsilable differences stick together till the end. It depends on how they see it. Even if kids were involved and a husband and wife tried everything they could to make it work and still dont, then it is best they part ways, in the interest of children only. They will provide better environment separately than staying together and give a hostile nvironment to the kids, because kids grasp things fast and will know the parents are unhappy together.
About Amir Khan too my view is same as urs.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#48

Chitrashi... well said.

All of it.


Jayne
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Posted: 13 years ago
#49

@earth1978 - Welcome to the forum and STAY. This is a free forum and you are as much entitled to post here as anyone else. Do not take things personal that is when you will come across as complaining or else I find all your posts polite in comparision. I read in a post of yours that you were bullied by ur inlaws into either complying or thrown out. I can understand how it must have felt inspite of being professionally educated to be subjected to humiliation where you are forced to agree to things you diagree. I am glad could still make it work and you have a daughter who is your lifeline. Any woman who strives to work at her marriage or who quits on it after trying, IS
strong. It takes two for a relation to make it work or not work, so men have their contribution to either scenarios.

Like I said this is a forum for everyone, whether it is a newbie or a vetran of IF, anyone can post anytime in any thread, be it once in bluemoon or on daily basis, it does not matter. Be it similar opinion or a different one from everyone else also does not matter. You can voice yours as freely as others, no need to apologise that your replies might be offensive or so. I myself disagree with some of your points. I wanted to reply in 'Amir khan is fake' thread, but I dont see it now so am posting it here. Just because Amir khan is divorced does not mean he cannot talk on the issue (not that I want another episode on couples/relationships/abuse) infact he has every right or even more than others because he has gone through that phase. We do not know what transpired between him and Reena and how long they have been trying to make it work. divorce doesnot happen suddenly, surely they have gone through thier own contemplation before deciding. and he did not stray or get into illict relations afterwards, he legally married a person whom he fell in love with. Love can happen more than once to some. It does not make him any less of an individual.


About doctors working in rural areas I agree with you. As much as I know the need for service in villages, no one can be compelled to do so if they do not want. Every individual has a choice and you can make yours. well that is for another thread, I dont want to mix it up here. anyways see you around:D.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I have no idea what has been going on on this forum so I'm just going to take a cue from your post. Point no.1, people don't bash Aamir because he's a divorcee, people bash Aamir because he cheated on his previous wife Reena. Infidelity is something that can only lead to two situations: 1) Nasty divorce and 2) A very, very resentful marriage. You know what they say, 'Stay faithful, or stay single'

Secondly, I agree with you about the attitude of our society towards divorce. I have witnessed divorce extremely closely and I can say for sure that neither of the two are at fault and nor are they completely guiltless. Relationships are a very grey area and it's pointless to try to view it's failures in black and white. People view the failure of marriage as the failure of the person, as if being in a marriage is not about togetherness and love, but rather about being imprisoned for life. This entire hulabaloo about marriage stems not from just one set of thoughts, but a multitude of them. For many parents, getting their girls married off is the ultimate goal of their lives. Marriage for many is also more of a business deal than anything else. It's all about the best bargain one party can get in exchange for the girl. In return their daughter shall receive food, shelter, clothes and most importantly, a respectable surname. Most people get into marriages simply to feel secure - on a mental, legal and financial level. This holds true mostly for girls. Surviving alone in this country is a feat not many girls can achieve. A father's and/or husband's name is of paramount importance. Sometimes families go through with marriages knowing that they might not work out because they feel they might not find a girl/boy of the same community/religion/status again.

So the point here is, people over here get married for all the wrong reasons. It is never about love, trust, respect and friendship. Heck, not even actual International business deals require the kind of time, money and energy investment that these so called marriages require. Naturally, when two people get into an institution for reasons that are so strongly influenced by our society, then a rift in that institution causes an instant uproar in the society. We have not landed ourselves in this reality over a fortnight, decades and decades of misuse of this institution has snowballed into this extremely askew and rotten mindset about both marriage and divorce.

In order to change our perspective towards divorce, we need to change our perspective towards marriage first.
Edited by U-No-Poo - 13 years ago

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