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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: suchitra_1

With regards to the comments on sexual orientation,

I feel bad about the people who are discriminated due to that, but I certainly do not agree to what they are doing.

There is a difference between being fair vs. agreeing.

If someone is lets say disgusted due to the act of what goes on with the same sex, should be able to set their brain in such a way that they do not hurt someone's self respect.

This is an of course a MAJOR issue in US. The elections here are very much decisive due to one's understanding of how they depict Same Sex and Abortion rights. Kerry lost due to him supporting Same sex and Abortion rights here in the 2000 election.

Though this is a HUGEEE TOPIC in and of itself.
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needless to say, its only when people tend to bring their personal opinions into human treatment and make their choice overshadow fairness, issues arise.



though this was one of the major reasons, but not solely the main issue for Kerry's losing the election.
But indeed, same sex and abortion rights are still hot issues and in US, at least people can discuss...but India has still to grow that mentality to discuss these issues...

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Posted: 15 years ago
thnk u guys...m glad u liked my posts😳

hema malini is dark?😲 but i always thought she's fair, i mean everybody thought she's fair & thts y i thought tht esha deol is always called ugly or not "as beautiful" as her mom cuz of her dark complexion
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: _-sHoNaa-_

thnk u guys...m glad u liked my posts😳

hema malini is dark?😲 but i always thought she's fair, i mean everybody thought she's fair & thts y i thought tht esha deol is always called ugly or not "as beautiful" as her mom cuz of her dark complexion



Hema Malini is dark, but Dharmendra is very fair...actually Hema Malini's features are so good...But Esha Deol is ugl
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: vishmewell



Suchitra, in one of your posts you wrote that exposure of woman's body is thought of as liberal and sense dignity is lost or something to that extent. When that trend was opposed, it was women who fought for it and made a hue and cry that women are oppressed and we can do everything a man can do.... so we got got it... now both men and women can wear less clothes and infact women surpassed men.

Now talking about sexual orientation, same thing is happening and people talk about equality and respect irrespective of sexual orientation. Down the road in 20 years, people will disgust the same acts when society opens up.

Democrats have always been liberal and becoming more and more liberal. Republicans don't embrace these abnormal liberal views but follow "don't ask don't tell" policy. Kerry wasn't a great presidential candidate anyways. His support for same sex marriages and abortions are contributing factors but not determining factors in losing 2000 elections.

So one must beware of what they support and who they elect because that will determine the culture/trend we set for our future generations.



Ofcourse I agree... that Kerry didn't loose just cause of that.

But yeah I mean here its usually a topic to discuss and a 'hot' one.

Women covering up is not oppression at all. Rather women being not educated and treated properly by their Men (father,brother, husband and son) is oppression.

The thing is same sex has existed for Ages.

If you look at the Biblical and Islamic and ofcourse Judaic traditions ( as they have common roots)

You will see that the People of Prophet Lut (Arabic)/LOT (Evangelical) were same sex oriented. They were warned and were given forewarnings by Prophet Lut. They did not budge nor change their ways.


God sent Angels and destroyed them.

Thus in this three religions (from their scriptures) they are pretty against them. THis is one reason you find Conservative Christians holding strict rules against them.


About Hinduism though culturally it is something that is very wrong and unacceptable, I am yet to find a verse that strictly opposes it.

One notion is found in the incarnation of Ayyapa, where he was to be born via two men.
We find that Vishnu had to take a form of a woman and become one with Shiva to have a child to fulfil that condition.

But here also you will find that it is illogical for a same sex orientation to be something normal. Vishnu had to take a form a woman showing that for life to be formed and to continue it is only possible via two sex genders

Thus, my point being here that this has always existed and not something new but was always opposed and against nature.

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P.S> I hope I did not offend anyone!
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Posted: 15 years ago
if u ask me, ACCORDING TO ME, i find this same sex thiing wrong...but just cuz i find it wrong, i wud never mistreat homosexual ppl, they will be treated the same way as others get treated. Believing in something doesnt mean being unfair :)
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: suchitra_1



Ofcourse I agree... that Kerry didn't loose just cause of that.

But yeah I mean here its usually a topic to discuss and a 'hot' one.

Women covering up is not oppression at all. Rather women being not educated and treated properly by their Men (father,brother, husband and son) is oppression.

The thing is same sex has existed for Ages.

If you look at the Biblical and Islamic and ofcourse Judaic traditions ( as they have common roots)

You will see that the People of Prophet Lut (Arabic)/LOT (Evangelical) were same sex oriented. They were warned and were given forewarnings by Prophet Lut. They did not budge nor change their ways.


God sent Angels and destroyed them.

Thus in this three religions (from their scriptures) they are pretty against them. THis is one reason you find Conservative Christians holding strict rules against them.


About Hinduism though culturally it is something that is very wrong and unacceptable, I am yet to find a verse that strictly opposes it.

One notion is found in the incarnation of Ayyapa, where he was to be born via two men.
We find that Vishnu had to take a form of a woman and become one with Shiva to have a child to fulfil that condition.

But here also you will find that it is illogical for a same sex orientation to be something normal. Vishnu had to take a form a woman showing that for life to be formed and to continue it is only possible via two sex genders

Thus, my point being here that this has always existed and not something new but was always opposed and against nature.

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P.S> I hope I did not offend anyone!



Offence....I really hope people can understand and reflect on your points...
very nice post
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I found this phrase, thought of sharing with you....

The sun is the same only from any part of the world. It is for us to
make use of it and remove the darkness of ignorance from ourselves.




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Posted: 15 years ago
Folks - got busy in the kitchen so a late reply....

The point I raised was not whether sexual orientation is right or wrong. What people do behind the closed doors of their bedroom is their business. The point I raised was that we cannot and should not use sexual orientation of a person as a reason to discriminate against them. They are after all human beings.

I have several gay friends at work and each one of them is as normal as any one of us, they get the flu, they sneeze, they are nice and occasionally get mad. In other words, there is nothing about them as human beings that can be used against them. Yet, time and again they've had to fight gossip, perception and alienation. Why? Have they gone out and hurt anyone? Have they murdered or stolen or hated anyone? NO! To me the straight wall-street banker who looted the regular joe of his daily livelihood and wiped his bank account is more hateful than a gay person.

The bottom line is this - there are many many gays in India. Yet we as a society do not like to admit it. I know of a family friend in India with a family. However, late in his life he admitted to being gay and lost his family, friends and all the near and dear ones. The fact is he was never happy in his relationship with his wife and his wife and children were never happy. To live a farce, they all suffered and in the end paid heavily with social ostracism.

Again, I am not justifying anyone's orientation - like I said before, what one does behind the closed doors of ones bedroom is ones own business.

Long time ago in US the decree was separate but equal. Now some 40 years we know there is no separate and equal. there is separate is unequal.

Re Kerry's loss in election - he lost because of a very poorly run Democratic election machinery. It had little to do with his Democratic agenda. See how Obama won? He ran on the same liberal platform. The funny thing is Obama won because of heavy voter support from folks in their 20s and 30s - a relatively young voting pool. This is another interesting thing I notice - youngsters today seem more tolerant of differences than previous generations.

Oh well. Time to get ready for the week. Mera Bhashan samapth hua!!!😆

Vish - Congratulations on having your son serve in the Navy - that is so awesome, I should tell my son too 👏

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Posted: 15 years ago
very touche topic I myself was rejected couple of times by prospective grooms some 15 yeas back, as I am a darker shade of brown,I agree it never goes away and we can't do any thing about it,the more you fight more aggravated it
Is just like rakt-bheej.I have given up.
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Posted: 15 years ago
ok so i come across this thread in bollywood section...its related to this topic...the thread got closed but the topic starter was talking about rani's looks & how she's overrated cuz she's not pretty BECAUSE...look at the reasons:she's short, fat & dark😳
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: _-sHoNaa-_

ok so i come across this thread in bollywood section...its related to this topic...the thread got closed but the topic starter was talking about rani's looks & how she's overrated cuz she's not pretty BECAUSE...look at the reasons:she's short, fat & dark😳



Rani Mukherjee's credit goes to that, although she is not as pretty as many actresses...but her acting skills are working wonders for her...so when she is rated as an actress, she is one of the best...

I dont know whether you have seen any movie of Smitha Patil...she is one of the finest actresses Bollywood had...she died a premature death just post delivery at the age of 32.... I highly recommend you to watch some of her movies...Smitha Patil was never considered a beauty, nor she was a great dancer but she was an actress par excellence....if you want an in-depth and meaningful movie, watch Akhir Kyun...its based on the struggle of a girl, there are lot of issues like women's strength, infidelity, husband's torture and the girl becoming successful...its a very beautiful movie...must watch

In Television industry, there is an actress called Khusboo Singh, the girl is very simple looking, but what an actress she is..
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