Racism and its Ugly Shade, Hidden vs. Apparent

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.shona.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#181

Lol i messed up the names as well, my bad.
Yeah i know the story...dnt know about the fire part though, killing a life using fire is Haram rite?

True, doesnt matter who was skilled or non-skilled, their natures would be the same. Maybe if Qabil was skilled, he would be showing off anyway & if he didnt he would be jealous.

Oh wow, didnt know there were so many groups of castes.

I wasnt really satisfied with the CM track in bidaai. CM got blamed cuz he murdered somebody but vasu was the root of everything. She mentally tortured CM & that led to CM's tht type of psychological conditions...she wasnt blamed for anything. Felt mad at CM but at the same time felt very sad.

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Suchi-

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Posted: 15 years ago

#182

Yes it is Haram to take a life via fire. But at that time the sacrifice was accepted that way (here the sacrifice was vegetables and sheep)

What holds for the rulings now wasn't the same for in the past. The rules changed from time to time and that is why many books were revealed. In the time of Yusuf (Joseph) it was allowed to prostrate to people , Joseph's parents did that to him when they arrived in Egypt and realized he was alive. Where as after the Quran was revealed, it is completely not permissible to prostrate to anyone other, than GOD. So rulings always changed..

About CM I agree with you completely.
But everyone is to blame for their own deeds. She chose her path and Vasu hers.

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huneymonsta

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Posted: 15 years ago

#183

Loving the topic!!!! I totally agree! One of cousins is darker than the rest of her sisters, decided she didnt like school and quit. Her parents and relatives winged and moaned that they werent going to find a husband for her due to her dark colour, the fact she didnt get a good education.

Her parents made her clean and perfected her cooking skills. She loved sewing so she taught herself how to and now makes the better clothing than a professional, they found her a husband who loves her to bits and has a son... she is the happiest out of all the sisters...

Colour has nothing to do with beauty. A "lower" caste is just as equal as anything else ... correct me if Im wrong, but "lower" caste people are those who in the past were housekeepers? farm hands etc etc so another words if you worked hard you are a low human being?

How does that work?

Excellent topic!!!

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Posted: 15 years ago

#184

Nice post and i agree with everything you said 👍🏼. My family i would not say they go on about colour and money, also we have treated the same as my brotheri guess that may be due to being in the UK where to be honest no one is really alot better off than the other so even if people do mention caste it makes no different as there is a average wage, also having eyes opened by seeing that both sexes are equal boy or girl makes no difference alot of sons just like daughters move out

However like you said no matter how much people try on some level or another there are always comparisions to other people maybe even when people are looking for there kids they discriminate going on looks than the person.

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Suchi-

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Posted: 15 years ago

#185

thank you for your kind comments

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Faz

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Posted: 15 years ago

#186

Originally posted by: Ashrozia
I think this just exists in India,rather Asia!
People from the West are pretty comfortable with tanned skin,I think!
I heard many saying so..That the brown skin is absolutely adored there!

Erm..what you said about the West isn't entirely true.

I'm solely referring to UK here. Honestly being a dark skin asian here especially a girl at that is pretty bad (or so I have noticed). I'm being honest, the attitudes of some of the asians here is just as disgusting. Even here being a dark skinned person has a lot of negative aspects related to it. I'm average/dark skinned asian and I have experienced racism/colorism. Believe it or not it was by people (asians) who I used to call "friends" they said pretty horrific things behind my back about my colour (obviously didn't have the guts to say it to my face but said it in front of my other friends, who didn't have the heart to tell me what was being said about me but I found out alot later on) like saying that I had dark skin because I had been sitting in the sun too long, commenting on religion/cast as well as calling me the indian looking types because of my skin color even though they know fully well that I'm not Indian. (Obviously ignorance is the word that comes to mind but also I know that their family backgrounds are not as educated)

I have never discriminated against anyone since I wasn't brought up that way, I was always told by my parents to give people a chance, respect them and never to look down upon them. Being a bit of a sensitive person as well as a person with a good educational background, this affected me negatively,This incident shocked me at first and then I was very upset, I spent a couple of hours dwelling over this, and (I'm ashamed by me) that even blamed myself for the way I am. Which obviously I know is completely wrong but those comments messed with my head so much that I started thinking about things in the wrong perspective. Happens to the best of us and it did catch me off-gaurd! Though I got over it, not the first time I have been a target of discrimination but I'm very level headed and I clearly know the difference between right and wrong as I'm also a mature person, I know how badly this type of stuff can affect people. These "used to be friends" are obviously insecure about themselves therefore take pleasure in destroying another person's self esteem (Kids eh?).

I guess even being brought up in the UK doesn't always work, on the contray I know many people who are very narrow-minded about such stuff and being me I just can't stand it and keep away from such cheap, uneducated behaviour! Now I am a fighter and also being a religious person I felt guilty for even thinking such stuff for myself and felt ungrateful about what God has given me. My self-esteem was low and my confidence was shattered by those comments but I didn't give up, I'm back on track to being myself again! 😆 I really do hope other people don't face such stuff because not everyone can take it. And I have always fought against such stuff be it someone talking about a friend or even a stranger. I hate discrimination and racism, its simply cruel and you tend to overlook the fact that everyone is unique therefore we should appreciate not discriminate.

I guess some people want clones of themselves walking around which truly baffles me. 😕 I love it when I come across a person who is so different to me, I always get attracted towards and facinated by unique people, I guess its one of the good things that I have learnt living in the UK! 😉

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vishmewell

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Posted: 15 years ago

#187

Originally posted by: reguser
Very nice discussion.

Suchitra, really appreciate you for starting this topic. I liked all the ideas presented here. I didnt press Like button cos I was engrossed in the discussion thoroughly. I am amazed to see youngsters also participating in this discussion and giving matured comments.

I think this discussion is best suited for this forum only. I rarely go to any other forums. But, whenever I have gone, I am really surprised about the viewers' interests and likings about the shows. They just dont want to see the male/female lead doing anything other than romancing 24 hours. Anyways, I dont read them much, so shouldnt criticize also. This forum has many matured viewers, whose writings are pleasure to read.

I think parents need to set a strong ground for children to look beyond beauty, racisim and other so called social status tags.

Neither setting a strong ground will do it, nor discussing these issues IMHO. It is important that parents live by example. Because kids learn more from what they see and much less from what they hear. There was actually a study done to establish this theory. Also, there was an interesting research done here in US and UK on how soon your child recognizes color/race and you will be astonished to know that they catch up on these differences at infant stage.

It is in Indian gene pool to compare wealth, education, status, and even as petty as a woman's saree and jhoote... when one sows seeds of comparison over petty things, they grow up to become gigantic issues as racism, discrimination and many evils of society.

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Posted: 15 years ago

#188

Bari mushkil hai khoya mera dil hai...koi usse dhund ke laaye na....
JA KE KAHIN MEIN RAPAT LIKHAOON....Koi samjhaye na....
Mein rou ya hasoooooooon.....Karoon main kya karooon....
ting ting ting ting....

Anyways... that was just nothing (up).

I think racism and its ugly shade will subside as man matures further and realise that life is not all about the body ... but on the long run, soul is very important. The basic nature ... is extremely important.

A black woman might be a real big pain ... or a real great solace.... and this goes for the white women too. The final judgement cannot be based on the skin color, provided the person is looking for a peaceful life ahead.

But when it comes to first impression ... then I wonder what will work. Keeping movies apart ... in real life we find a varied range of tastes developing among the youth. However, the need to a fairer color is being further emphasized by our commercialization captains in the Media.

As mankind mature.... I have faith that the world would be a fairer place to live in. Till then, lets keep our fingers crossed, but remember that the choice is based of every individual independently, and there is nothing wrong to be leaning more towards a fairer girl ...

Edited by Ice-Thinker - 15 years ago