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Posted: 17 years ago
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hey megha,
just happened to come across this thread.great topic i must say.let me also take the opportunity to let you know how lucky I feel to have you as our bandish gharana mentor.You have immense knowledge about music.BTW I want to know what 'MURKIYAN' means.sonu nigam used this term lot of times in SRGMP-never really understood what it meant.😕
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: MiniRulz

hey megha,

just happened to come across this thread.great topic i must say.let me also take the opportunity to let you know how lucky I feel to have you as our bandish gharana mentor.You have immense knowledge about music.BTW I want to know what 'MURKIYAN' means.sonu nigam used this term lot of times in SRGMP-never really understood what it meant.😕



Mini please check your pms for my eval. of your rec 😊.

This is turning into a mutual admiration thread but I must say Mini is the most dedicated contestant ever in the history of IF. She is always willing to record for me as many times as I ask 👏 and the fruits of her labor are sweet in the end.

Murkiyan I'm not so sure, I think it's related to harkats or pitch fluctuations. But I can give you an example if you've listened to ghazals you probably noticed that the same line is repeated numerous times, but it is never sung the same way. Harkats or pauses may be taken in different parts of the line, I think these variations that are brought in are referred to as "murkiyan".
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Posted: 17 years ago
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A murki is cluster of notes that sounds like a short, subtle taan. A murki can also comprise a series of such short clusters. A murki is less forceful than a khatka (good example is Khatka taken by Kavita Krishna murti in antara of tumhari adaon pe mai wari wari)or a zamzama. A combination like R R S S could be a murki or a khatka or the starting point of a zamzama, depending on the force of delivery.
All these terms must be understood in terms of elaborating raags other wise it is difficult to understand them.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Now again Indian and Western singin must be understood in terms of respective classical singing..😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

A murki is cluster of notes that sounds like a short, subtle taan. A murki can also comprise a series of such short clusters. A murki is less forceful than a khatka (good example is Khatka taken by Kavita Krishna murti in antara of tumhari adaon pe mai wari wari)or a zamzama. A combination like R R S S could be a murki or a khatka or the starting point of a zamzama, depending on the force of delivery.

All these terms must be understood in terms of elaborating raags other wise it is difficult to understand them.

Thanx indra. even i wanted 2 know the same😳
@megha. seems 2 be u r a gud mentor. gud luck😊
Thanx megha 4 opening this thread😛
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

A murki is cluster of notes that sounds like a short, subtle taan. A murki can also comprise a series of such short clusters. A murki is less forceful than a khatka (good example is Khatka taken by Kavita Krishna murti in antara of tumhari adaon pe mai wari wari)or a zamzama. A combination like R R S S could be a murki or a khatka or the starting point of a zamzama, depending on the force of delivery.

All these terms must be understood in terms of elaborating raags other wise it is difficult to understand them.



I thought of giving the most clear definition I could think of but thanks for your detailed one.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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sab terms me bahut mamuli rati bhar ka farq hai jaise meend vs gamak, allap, bol and zamzama, khatka, as long as we enjoy music it is fine.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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All Hindi songs must revolve around a sa (Shadaj), unless the scale changes (in lots of RD Burman songs) then sa changes automatically.
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Indian and Western Classical music/singing are poles apart.

1. Hindi singing was normally based on raaga , hence development is always linear and according to a note pattern (aaroh-avroh)
But in Western music this development could be columnar hence you have notes jumping and running beyond octave. Similarily you may include all notes in a octave while doing Western but if you do same in Indian classical it wil jarr the raaga.

2. Western music is wrriten but not Hindi it is because Hindi music has develpoed out of improvisation , how can you write improvisation.

3. Vocals is more important in Hindi while whole orchestra or chorus is important in Western.
4. Harmony is not an integral part of Indian music.
Edited by Indradhanush - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

All Hindi songs must revolve around a sa (Shadaj), unless the scale changes (in lots of RD Burman songs) then sa changes automatically.

yes,there is a change in sur/sruthi/pitch in many songs in many Hindi songs of R.D.B or ARR......like nahi nahi abhi nahin,saamne yeh kaun aaya,ooh la la la etc.....However,there are quite a few hindi songs that have "ma" or madhyam as the base too(though it is not too common)......songs like yeh duniya wale poochenge, tere pyar mein dildaar, dil jo na keh saka, yeh kya jagah hai doston.....etc ...I came across a good article comparing Hindustani,western and carnatic music giving explanations for equivalent terms...just thought I'll post it here 😊
? Pitch Chart
The following is the Pitch Chart in Carnatic, Hindustani & Western Style, Starting from the Lowest Swar/ Sur / Pitch to the Highest Swar / Sur / Pitch.
Hindustani Western Carnatic
HindustaniHindustaniH Western Carnatic
Safed 1 C Kattai 1
Kali 1 C# Kattai 1 1/2
Safed 2 D Kattai 2
Kali 2 D# Kattai 2 1/2
Safed 3 E Kattai 3
Safed 4 F Kattai 4
Kali 3 F# Kattai 4 1/2
Safed 5 G Kattai 5
Kali 4 G# Kattai 5 1/2
Safed 6 A Kattai 6
Kali 5 A# Kattai 6 1/2
Safed 7 (High) B (High) Kattai 7
Edited by rock&roll - 17 years ago

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