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Posted: 17 years ago

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Originally posted by: Indradhanush
Indian and Western Classical music/singing are poles apart.

1. Hindi singing was normally based on raaga , hence development is always linear and according to a note pattern (aaroh-avroh)

But in Western music this development could be columnar hence you have notes jumping and running beyond octave. Similarily you may include all notes in a octave while doing Western but if you do same in Indian classical it wil jarr the raaga.

Agree with u...but at the same time there is also a reasonable degree of similarity between Indian and Western music...for eg)Raga sankarabharanam of carnatic music(Hindustani equivalent bilawal ,i think....not sure) is very similar or is almost the same as C major of western music.....the song "doe a deer a female deer"from Sound of music is set purely in raag sankarabharanam......even the Indian national anthem-jana gana mana is similar(or exactly same?) to sankarabharanam raag.......

the raga kirwani of carnatic music has the same scale as the harmonic minor in western music(source wikipedia) ..the song meri bheegi bheegi si from anamika is based on Kirwani and so is a tamil song "sarkarai nilave".......

most chinese and japanese songsare very similar to ragam mohanam or Bhup....no wonder the song sayanora (set in the japan) is based on Bhup raag

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Posted: 17 years ago

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A raag is simply certain notes organised in ascending and descending pattern which pleases the heart (simplest and the most beautiful definition), a chord is simply combination of few notes played together (harmony), I think there is no comparison. For example C Mj I can play in several way but raag Bilawal has this pattern of notes only in aaroh and avroh:

S R G m P D N S'

S' N D P m G R S

I think experts like kirti , dabulls,aryaq and many others who despite having far more knowledge don't write can enlighten us.

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Posted: 17 years ago

#43

Originally posted by: Indradhanush
Indian and Western Classical music/singing are poles apart.

1. Hindi singing was normally based on raaga , hence development is always linear and according to a note pattern (aaroh-avroh)

But in Western music this development could be columnar hence you have notes jumping and running beyond octave. Similarily you may include all notes in a octave while doing Western but if you do same in Indian classical it wil jarr the raaga.

2. Western music is wrriten but not Hindi it is because Hindi music has develpoed out of improvisation , how can you write improvisation.

3. Vocals is more important in Hindi while whole orchestra or chorus is important in Western.

4. Harmony is not an integral part of Indian music.

Do enlighten us all those mentioned by Indradanush. But I can speak on behalf of western music.

There are some similarities in indian and western classical music mainly the terms which was basically the purpose of this thread 😆.

If you compare Indian music and Western music in their non-classical forms there are far more similarities 😊. Since Western classical music is limited only to instrumental.

Both are written as compositions. Or else musicians would not be able to play the notes live in concert.

Vocals are equally as important in both Western and Indian non-classical music. Josh Groban, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston all that stands out are the powerful voices of these reputed Western singers.

Indian film music is not bound by raaga like Western there are many examples Yeh Dil Deewana, Chaiyya Chaiyya, Alvida etc.

Edited by Megha25 - 17 years ago

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Posted: 17 years ago

#44

Originally posted by: Megha25

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Posted: 17 years ago

#45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYJIC9muhBQ

Listen to this, this is divine and purely Hindi music I am refering to songs like this, chaiyya chaiyya etc have complicated orchestration and western compo dominated over Indian.

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Ophelia

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Posted: 17 years ago

#46

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

I know you were comparing Indian and Western classical music to bring to light the differences. I was comparing Indian and Western contemporary music to highlight the similarities between the two.

You seem to be very patriotic by your dislike of Western influence on Indian film music. Interesting.

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Rasny

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Posted: 17 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: Megha25
I'm not an indian though i don't prefer western influence on indian music😳

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Ophelia

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Posted: 17 years ago

#48

@ Rasny -That's cool your personal preference 😃

But from the 70's on words Indian film music has been flooded with Western influence no way to avoid it so I guess most people have learned to embrace it.

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Rasny

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Posted: 17 years ago

#49

pure classical or semi classical indian song sunneme bohot maza hain😆. what shall we do? in these days inidan music is loosing its real colour😛

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Posted: 17 years ago

#50

Originally posted by: Indradhanush
A raag is simply certain notes organised in ascending and descending pattern which pleases the heart (simplest and the most beautiful definition), a chord is simply combination of few notes played together (harmony), I think there is no comparison. For example C Mj I can play in several way but raag Bilawal has this pattern of notes only in aaroh and avroh:

S R G m P D N S'

S' N D P m G R S

I think experts like kirti , dabulls,aryaq and many others who despite having far more knowledge don't write can enlighten us.

Sankarabharanam and C major have the same notes......Maybe C major does not have the notes in the same order...In raga sankarabaranam ,we have an aarohanam and avarohanam and the notes are arranged in a certain order.......But the notes(though) orderwise might be different are still fundamentally the same....

extracts from an article about muthuswamy dikshirtar below.(will post the article below) ....shows the similarity between sankarabaranam and C major 😊..It also shows that the carnatic geetham "shyamale meenxi" which wld be familiar to anyone who has learnt carnatic music is similar to Twinkle twinkle little star 😊

As regards the rest of the songs composed by Muthuswami Dikshitar, they were all based on the Western scale of C Major, which corresponds to the scale of Shankarabharanam of Carnatic music and Bhilaval that of Hindustani music. [The songs were not, however, in Shankarabharanam or Bhilaval per se.] These were independent works based on western notes; and were not replicas of European tunes.

All the forty _odd songs were set to Tisra Eka Tala (three units) or Chaturasra Eka Tala (four units) which corresponds to and 4/4 timings of the Western Music. The range – Shruthi – of these songs is generally in middle octave.

Shyamale Meenakshi

Nursery rhyme"Twinkle twinkle little star" based on French tuneAh! Vous dirai-je

Similarly going back to what i said previously,the song "doe a deer is based on sankarabaranam......each of the notes is equivalent to a note in carnatic music raga sankarabaranam

do=sa

re=re

mei=ga

fa=ma

so=pa

la=dha

ti=ni

this is exact equivalents..I am sure of that.....one can sing along or better still play the notes on the casio to confirm.....The difference between sankarabharanam and C major wld be that sankarabharanam has a lot of gamukkam...(equivalent of murkiyan?...not sure)...which is not there in C major...but the fundemental notes are the same 😊.

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