Insight on Musical Terms - Page 7

Originally posted by: rock&roll

😆😆😆..if u want to learn gud music,u shld learn from someone qualified...not someone like me 😆😆😆

nehin yaar. aap qualified...🤗

Originally posted by: Megha25

Same here 😃

This is the only topic on IF that goes into depth on the technicalities of music thereby spreading knowledge of terms. All music enthusiasts please feel to participate in this thread and share your views.

Thanks,
Megha 😊

It was made sticky and everytime Megha edits her post, it comes out of sticky... It was sticky for a long time... But now it seems more of discussion is going on... So, please carry it on...

Originally posted by: rock&roll

Sankarabharanam and C major have the same notes......Maybe C major does not have the notes in the same order...In raga sankarabaranam ,we have an aarohanam and avarohanam and the notes are arranged in a certain order.......But the notes(though) orderwise might be different are still fundamentally the same....

extracts from an article about muthuswamy dikshirtar below.(will post the article below) ....shows the similarity between sankarabaranam and C major 😊..It also shows that the carnatic geetham "shyamale meenxi" which wld be familiar to anyone who has learnt carnatic music is similar to Twinkle twinkle little star 😊

As regards the rest of the songs composed by Muthuswami Dikshitar, they were all based on the Western scale of C Major, which corresponds to the scale of Shankarabharanam of Carnatic music and Bhilaval that of Hindustani music. [The songs were not, however, in Shankarabharanam or Bhilaval per se.] These were independent works based on western notes; and were not replicas of European tunes.

All the forty _odd songs were set to Tisra Eka Tala (three units) or Chaturasra Eka Tala (four units) which corresponds to ' and 4/4 timings of the Western Music. The range ' Shruthi ' of these songs is generally in middle octave.

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Shyamale Meenakshi

Nursery rhyme'Twinkle twinkle little star' based on French tuneAh! Vous dirai-je

Similarly going back to what i said previously,the song "doe a deer is based on sankarabaranam......each of the notes is equivalent to a note in carnatic music raga sankarabaranam

do=sa

re=re

mei=ga

fa=ma

so=pa

la=dha

ti=ni

this is exact equivalents..I am sure of that.....one can sing along or better still play the notes on the casio to confirm.....The difference between sankarabharanam and C major wld be that sankarabharanam has a lot of gamukkam...(equivalent of murkiyan?...not sure)...which is not there in C major...but the fundemental notes are the same 😊.

It should be kept in mind that notes alone does not make the same Raaga in Hindustani. By changing the vaadi & Samvadi swara and a dominant phrases two different Raagas with same notes can be obtained. One example of this will be Deshkar and Bhupali.

Also, the indian musical notes are not the exactly the same as keyboard notes(particularly electronic ones, however a harmonium tuned by indian craftsmen will be having indian type notes ), there will be slight difference their frequency positions.

Originally posted by: Anuradha

It was made sticky and everytime Megha edits her post, it comes out of sticky... It was sticky for a long time... But now it seems more of discussion is going on... So, please carry it on...

Really that's so odd I only edited my post twice. Is it everytime I make a new post that it comes out 😆 so not fair. Anyway yes now it is more of a discussion so non-sticky is also okay.

Originally posted by: rock&roll

Info on sankarabaranam ragam[...]

A ragam with a symmetrical pair of tetra chords, each being separated by the interval of a major tone, ie. the purvanga (sa ri ga ma) and uttaranga (pa dha ni sa) are uniform and match perfectly. This is a reason for its popularity, since this characteristic makes it possible to give fluent and enjoyable expression to the Ragam both in vocal and in instrumental music.

This is a strange statement, as symmetry in the tetrachords is also found in the Kafi (S-R-g-m + P-D-n-S'), Bhairavi (S-r-g-m + P-d-n-S') and Bhairav (S-r-G-m + P-d-N-S') thaats.

Originally posted by: gopalbhai

Also, the indian musical notes are not the exactly the same as keyboard notes(particularly electronic ones, however a harmonium tuned by indian craftsmen will be having indian type notes), there will be slight difference their frequency positions.

Electronic keyboards are usually tuned for Equal Temperament (as opposed to Just Intonation) to allow any key to be played with the same facility, at the cost of all chords/intervals being slightly off. Indian harmoniums are usually tuned for a few keys only, and also do not necessarily adhere to the A440 standard (being somewhat sharper, as a rule.)

In the discussion I agree with gopalbhai about raag(vilambit), this is what I knew.

Liked this thread a lot 😊
Thanks to all contributers.