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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster

There is an excellent reason you are not a Birpuri Village Girl with exactly 5th standard levels of education, a passive life that allowed you to drift along with no say and no voice for 18 years, and then Fate suddenly gave you--not just a say--but the only say--- in your choices.

You are a smart woman who has a reaction to the abusive words being thrown at that village girl, and you would be right. You feel for her, extrapolate his cruel words as a slap to her pride, as something to protest. All right. Even Rudra, in his asking her---what is WRONG with you...he is right.


But from Paro's perspective, everything that is happening to her parallels the story she has heard growing up--believing it, honestly worshiping it, leaving all decisions to it. She thinks she is going through the trials of Parvati, and sees literally nothing wrong with the comparison.

She is not guilty of being besharam--she is not even guilty, I think, of being controlling or rude. She is following the path she believes in, and has no one right now to tell her "no." She is doing manmaani--but thinks its blessed by her Bholenath. I lve her character--and I udnerstand why the CVs spent the first one monthgiving us NO voice for Parvati--she needed to be akone to even find it. NOw, Paro is someone who pleases me purely because she is so--NOT us Not you, not me.

She has no inner motivation, no layers, no ego, no pride. I think we feel protective of Paro because it would not even occur to her to protect herself . Ego, pride, self esteem--all these are inner-monologue concepts--ideals that come from a secondary self. She has none--and there ARE people like this--and BTW, they are hugely dangerous, because the are so straightforward, no one can believe it.

That completely linear thinking where she LITERALLY answers things that are asked of her, and has no depth beyond what she is saying and feeling--no inner monologue--she is beautifully simple. Not stupid--but because she has always been led, passively, now that she is leading her own choices, nothing will sway her, or move her.

It is this simplicity, this straight forward, literally not understanding how the other person might be finding her behavior odd--that is Paro.

Loving it...!


But Napster, aren't they taking her godly characteristics, Shiv Parvati symbolism too far? I was watching the epi and nearly cried for all the hurtful things he said. But Paro goes back to her smiley self? I sound like a retard, but she should maybe... cry a little? How can one be this far away from reality?

Story wise, I think you're right. That's what Paro's character should be like. Strong ideals of right and wrong and nothing else. But the relatability factor with Paro dropped a few places for me today. Pata nahi. Monday ko dekhte hain. I've lost count of how many times I've said the "wait and watch" mantra to myself over the course of this show.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

If Paro really is characterless as you claim her to be,

is trying to seduce you as you reckon,
why would she wait all this while, when you were willingly pouncing on her, invading her personal space, just a few weeks ago?

Yours sincerely
Woman's mukthi mocha leader😉

P.S- More than the jibe it is the lack of reaction from Paro that was infuriating. They should have at least shown some anger.



you r forgetti g those dialogues must hav een wriiten by a man
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: napstermonster

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">There is an excellent reason you are not a Birpuri Village Girl with exactly 5th standard levels of education, a passive life that allowed you to drift along with no say and no voice for 18 years, and then Fate suddenly gave you--not just a say--but the only say--- in your choices.</font><font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">You are a smart woman who has a reaction to the abusive words being thrown at that village girl, and you would be right. You feel for her, extrapolate his cruel words as a slap to her pride, as something to protest. All right. Even Rudra, in his asking her---what is WRONG with you...he is right.</font>

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But from Paro's perspective, everything that is happening to her parallels the God narrative she has heard growing up--believing it, honestly worshiping it, leaving all decisions to it. She thinks she is going through the trials of Parvati, and sees literally nothing wrong with the comparison. When he says those horrible things--to her mind, he is just causing her additional "tapassya" that she must live through. It becomes penance. You don't take penance personally--especially when you know you are not guilty. You do the "praschith," What other think of her, judging her-- its irrelevant to Paro.


She is not guilty of being besharam--she is not even guilty, I think, of being controlling or rude. She is following the path she believes in, and has no one she listens to (Mamisa, Thakurain, Dilsher, even) right now to tell her "no." She is doing manmaani--but thinks its blessed by her Bholenath--the signs say so. It must be so. I love her character--and I understand why the CVs spent the first one month giving us NO voice for Parvati--she needed to be alone to even find it. NOW, Parois someone who pleases me purely because she is so--NOT us-- Not you, not me.


She has no inner motivation, no layers, no ego, no pride. I think we feel protective of Paro because it would not even occur to her to protect herself . Ego, pride, self esteem--all these are inner-monologue concepts--ideals that come from a secondary self. She has none--and there ARE people like this--and BTW, they are hugely dangerous, because the are so straightforward, no one can believe it.</font>
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That completely linear thinking where she LITERALLY answers things that are asked of her, and has no depth beyond what she is saying and feeling--no inner monologue--she is beautifully simple. Not stupid--but because she has always been led, passively, now that she is leading her own choices, nothing will sway her, or move her. It is this simplicity, this straight forwardness, literally not understanding how the other person might be finding her behavior odd--that is Paro.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">Loving it...!</font>



Your perspectives always make me see things better, tnx for posting
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Posted: 11 years ago
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jokes part Im not trying to make this gender issue. Paro crossed a line and so did Rudra. And what was left- distasteful words and anger.
Anyhow this doesn't mean I like the show any lesser. I'm just infuriated.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: Exprimere


But Napster, aren't they taking her godly characteristics, Shiv Parvati symbolism too far? I was watching the epi and nearly cried for all the hurtful things he said. But Paro goes back to her smiley self? I sound like a retard, but she should maybe... cry a little? How can one be this far away from reality?

Story wise, I think you're right. That's what Paro's character should be like. Strong ideals of right and wrong and nothing else. But the relatability factor with Paro dropped a few places for me today. Pata nahi. Monday ko dekhte hain. I've lost count of how many times I've said the "wait and watch" mantra to myself over the course of this show.


I think they are, to be honest--I wish they'd stop banging us over the head with the clunking imagery--kneeling at his feet, holding up an offering, and now, in case we don't get it--the one foot standing penance...its could be because we as an audience are (surprisingly) a little older than what IPKKND had, for example. I'm noticing much more adult forum members here--but the CVs are probably aiming for the lowest common -denominator--the TRP aunty who likes a little Mahadev in her Rudradev. But making her do symbolic things literally makes Paro look pretty stupid. But what she is doing emotionally, and how she is handling Rudra--I find her anything but stupid.


I would argue that Paro knows what she is doing--or maybe, she is being guided by her senses, not her brain (which I have less faith in). Clearly she has good instincts that she trusts blindly--even her trust of Rudra, from well before she should have, her distrust of Kaki-Sa, her reaction to Sumer are all based on her instincts. To fight Rudra's years of bitterness and deep levels of unconscious distrust-- she does not need intelligence, pride, ego. He has a great deal of all three. Enough for them both.


What she needs is faith, in spite of rejection. Belief in herself because he has none in her, or himself. She needs instinct, to battle his unexpressed bitterness with simple faith. She also needs to strike at the heart of what he is feeling, not what he is saying. And she does exactly that, felling him with just one response to his fifteen taunts--you should have been loved properly, and then you would have known the difference. Notice, she did not say romantic love. Just "love." And for Rudra, that is exactly true. And instinctively, she chose the one response that answers his--"I dont trust you, you are a woman, you are evil, you are unchaste." She does not know his life, but her instinct tells her he has not been loved well, and loved right.


Her strong ideals are basically--to trust in God, trust in Fate, and to trust in herself. She is absolutely strong, undefeated in all these three elements, and she needs nothing more. I think her love was always there, inherent. will be as unwavering as his protective instincts. It just needed the right "mitti" to take form. That is the fantasy element here--but the girl is very easy to understand, for me. She has won, throughout, by her ideal. Her simplicity comes from the serenity of being "right."And she knows it--what could make her a stronger character??😆
Edited by napstermonster - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: napstermonster

There is an excellent reason you are not a Birpuri Village Girl with exactly 5th standard levels of education, a passive life that allowed you to drift along with no say and no voice for 18 years, and then Fate suddenly gave you--not just a say--but the only say--- in your choices.

You are a smart woman who has a reaction to the abusive words being thrown at that village girl, and you would be right. You feel for her, extrapolate his cruel words as a slap to her pride, as something to protest. All right. Even Rudra, in his asking her---what is WRONG with you...he is right.


But from Paro's perspective, everything that is happening to her parallels the story she has heard growing up--believing it, honestly worshiping it, leaving all decisions to it. She thinks she is going through the trials of Parvati, and sees literally nothing wrong with the comparison.

She is not guilty of being besharam--she is not even guilty, I think, of being controlling or rude. She is following the path she believes in, and has no one right now to tell her "no." She is doing manmaani--but thinks its blessed by her Bholenath. I lve her character--and I udnerstand why the CVs spent the first one monthgiving us NO voice for Parvati--she needed to be akone to even find it. NOw, Paro is someone who pleases me purely because she is so--NOT us Not you, not me.

She has no inner motivation, no layers, no ego, no pride. I think we feel protective of Paro because it would not even occur to her to protect herself . Ego, pride, self esteem--all these are inner-monologue concepts--ideals that come from a secondary self. She has none--and there ARE people like this--and BTW, they are hugely dangerous, because the are so straightforward, no one can believe it.

That completely linear thinking where she LITERALLY answers things that are asked of her, and has no depth beyond what she is saying and feeling--no inner monologue--she is beautifully simple. Not stupid--but because she has always been led, passively, now that she is leading her own choices, nothing will sway her, or move her.

It is this simplicity, this straight forward, literally not understanding how the other person might be finding her behavior odd--that is Paro.

Loving it...!


Perfectly put. She is the first female lead on TV I've seen who isn't self-sacrificing anything but is instead going after what she wants. She has no qualms about anything - she doesn't care about what anyone thinks of her. What she wants, she goes for it. Hey, this was a girl who was going to be sold after crossing the border! Look at her now - she's certainly not going to let anyone tell her to live on their terms. She's making her own choices consciously, whether they make sense to anyone or not. If Paro feels that Bholenath is doing all this, then more power to her. What's wrong with that? Don't we all leave things to God or fate sometimes? Why is this any different?

Though Rudra was a total jerk in what he said, because I was freaking mad, I feel like the CVs used him to ask her the questions we've all been asking ourselves since the Gauri track began. Weren't there posts in the past few days asking why Paro was so desperate? Weren't people saying all kinds of things about Paro? While Rudra's accusations were harsh and offensive, we were ALL at one point asking ourselves the same kinds of questions. The CVs have come up with Paro's answer: She doesn't give a damn. Now THAT'S self-respect.

Also, there is NOTHING wrong with what Paro is doing. She's not shy in her feelings and is up front about what she wants. No mind games, manipulations, nothing. She has no malicious intentions in her pursuit of Rudra. If we want to be judgmental, we should be pointing fingers at Rudra for coercing her when she did not have ANY feelings for him, prior to Tejawat's reveal. Both of these crazy characters are showing their affection in ways we don't understand.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#17

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

Hey NB ...
SIck and in no mood to watch but character less ermmm where have I heard that before...


take care tangy
hmm some one told the cvs
forced marriage increases trps
you dont have a character increases trps

farak padta hain increases trps

more than every thing devon ke dev mahadev , parvati's tapasya increases trps

so they thought id each of this individually can increase trps imagine how much they can gather ift they put it all together in two days


CVS if you want to make a mythological show please contact devdatt patnayak , you are getting your basics wrong

first the army , now parvati , !
when did shiv ji call parvati characterless , he said he is a sanyasi and cannot get into grihastasram



A village girl idolizing her pati to be shiv , this is not the way to show it
herethe cvs clearly they are drawing similarities and try to reason action taken example of shiv and parvati to show rudra and paro are meant to be together like shiv and parvati is , so parvati undergoing all this torture is fine
wrong reasoning , completely random comparison

parvati is the strongest form of woman , she is considered to have the strength and power of all the women put together , and she is infamous or famous for her anger
shiv ji also has been victim of her extreme wrath
paro is looking dreamy and stupid ,because she is not having a thought process of her own , she is blindly obeying rudra

what was that chehra nahin dekhavongi

standing on one foot really , does she really think rudra is shiv ,and from when is rudra her pati

PS i dont believe loud reaction is an expression of character strength , but not giving a thought and bindly obeying definitely is not
Edited by tttttt1 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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ok i have to let it out
Which era is the serial set in exactly- before or after stone age? Yes we are talking about a Village girl - naive/innocent and purity personified (agreed). CVs have you ever been to a village (a remote one) in present day India - chalo lets be leniant and say 10 yrs ago and try calling a girl besharam and seen what happens? - well you wouldn't have been able to see/hear clearly after that.

Paro bhaisa, PLS STOP CALLING HIM MAJOR SAAB!!! and BIG NO for your one legged penance


Edited by anaha - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Without taking any sides, can I try to answer this-
Rudra- "because when I was pouncing her and invading her personal space, she was being bewakoof and was blindly trusting a terrorist. she did not want to do anything with me. Now that she has realized her folly, she is trying to cling to me and marry me claiming to be in love and trying every trick to achieve that"

Jokes apart, I had no problem when he was invading her personal space then and when she is turning all obsessive about him now because I have figured out that is how the soap world works.. That is how they move things forward.. we should not think too much.!!!! I have held the naari mukthi morcha flag too long (since 2009 as u can see) and have decided its not worth it!!!!! I am just going to look what is attractive to me and go with the flow!

ps: Always read you posts and enjoy reading them. Funny/sarcastic touch is a treat!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

If Paro really is characterless as you claim her to be,

is trying to seduce you as you reckon,
why would she wait all this while, when you were willingly pouncing on her, invading her personal space, just a few weeks ago?

Yours sincerely
Woman's mukthi mocha leader😉

P.S- More than the jibe it is the lack of reaction from Paro that was infuriating. They should have at least shown some anger.


That's what surprise me too. Why he needs to tie the dori .He can leave her alone and anyway she was going to wash her hands. She can do that herself. Paro felt bad little bit, they did not even show that more than a second and she went back to her teacher mode and she is explaining how they are made for each other.

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