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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I am familiar with the fact that Radha was never a wife of Lord Krishna. And there are stories which say that she was in fact married to someone else. There are countless stories on how Radha's love was compared to that of Krishna's wives.
As for Goddess Lakshmi taking it as humiliation that Lord Vishnu had accepted so many wives, I am not sure. I have read that the many women who had asked Ram to marry them were told to meet him in Dwapara Yuga when he will be incarnated as Krishna.
The reason why Sesh Nag was born as Lord Vishnu's elder brother was this:
When the time of Lord Krishna's birth was nearing, Sesh Nag asked that he be born as Lord Vishnu's eighth incarnation's elder brother. In the Tretha Yuga, when he was born as Lakshman - as the younger brother of Lord Vishnu's incarnation Ram, he was unable to prevent all the tragedies that happened to him (Ram). Lord Ram was banished from the kingdom, had to tread through all sorts of thorny paths and suffered so much. Sesh Nag did not want to see all this happen again. This time he requested that he be born as the elder - to protect him at all times. It was readily granted by Lord Vishnu.



I am reading a translation of Shrimad Bhagavatam right now and there is no mention of Radha in the original Bhagavatam. Yes, there is Raas Leela with the gopis and there is one special gopi there but there is no mention of her name. Radha as the name of the special gopi was more of a later invention it seems. All the gopis were married but it is mentioned in the Bhagavatam that when the raas leela was happening the gopis had a "double" who went about their daily chores and their husbands never knew that the gopis had actually left. Therefore, this is all leela again. The explanation says that the "doubles" doing their daily chores was just the physical body of the gopis and the ones with Krishna was their souls. So the souls were with Krishna while the physical body of the gopis was with their husbands.

For the wives, again it is just leela. It says that Krishna splits himself into 16,000+ Krishnas for the sake of his wives. However, when he goes to the Rajya Shaba in the morning only one Krishna leaves (the 16,000+ Krishnas merge into one Krishna). So again it all just his leela and maya, the illusion of 16,000+ wives and 16,000+ Krishnas.

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

I too only read of Draupadi introducing herself as the foremost maid of Draupadi. Yeah, Sairandhri is a position. I think it's another word for 'hair dresser'. She called herself 'Nalini' in the book I have.

I too have read that Draupadi introduced herself as being the foremost maid of Queen Draupadi. I thought that she spoke of Draupadi being the most beautiful woman among all when the queen of Viradha asked about her.
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

I too have read that Draupadi introduced herself as being the foremost maid of Queen Draupadi. I thought that she spoke of Draupadi being the most beautiful woman among all when the queen of Viradha asked about her.



Vibishna, u mean Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of Queen Satyabama isn't it? It is not Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of Queen Draupadi? Sorry, I am not being mean or anything. I couldn't help having a laugh. 😆😆😆 All in fun! 🤣
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: godisone

The First 8 wives of Krishna were all incarnations of the Ashta Lakshmis (there are eight of them). Rukmini was Adi Lakshmi and so on....
Also, all the Ashta Lakshmis are ultimately one Lakshmi only, so Krishna's First 8 Wives weren't really co-wives. It was just Maya (Illusion), because they are all incarnations of Lakshmi.
After Ramayana War happened, Rama granted boons to all those who helped him. To Lakshmana, he said, "Since you have served me with devotion in this life, in the next life, I will be born as your younger brother and serve you." That's why Sesh-Nag was reborn as Balaram, and elder to Shri Krishna.

As for the 8 forms of Lakshmi being the 8 principal wives - It does fit in away. I have read this before but could not place Narakasur's story where it is mentioned that Sathyabama was the incarnation of Bhudevi.
As for the next story of Ram saying that he will be born as the younger - this one is completely new to me. Thanks for this informaiton - I thought it was a different reason.
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Mandodari

I happen to agree with Chen2chic - I too have read about Satyabhama being Krishna's fav, not Rukmini. The Tulabharam incident was just there to demonstrate a lesson about the name of god being greater than god itself, but it in no way reflected who Krishna's favorite was. When Krishna went out on his campaign against Narakasura, he took Satyabhama with him, and once, it was Satyabhama who asked Draupadi how she managed to satisfy 5 hubbies when Krishna's 16108 wives couldn't satisfy even him. Draupadi taught her accordingly, and likely, that was how Satyabhama worked her way into being Krishna's favorite.



Really? I thought it was Krishna himself who gave the upadesh for making a husband happy. I have not heard of this story. Live and learn Mandodari! 😃 I am still reading Shrimad Bhagavatam and it will take me a while before I read the Mahabharat in the original and then all its variations. 😆😆😆
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Mandodari



Vibishna, u mean Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of Queen Satyabama isn't it? It is not Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of Queen Draupadi? Sorry, I am not being mean or anything. I couldn't help having a laugh. 😆😆😆 All in fun! 🤣

😆 It becomes all the more enjoyable when you mean you are not mean or anything, Mandodari ji.
I meant that Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of queen Draupadi. That is what I read. I am not that good in Mahabharat - I do know something but not everything in Mahabharat.
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Posted: 17 years ago

It seems that we have jupmed to Dwapara Yuga all of a sudden. 😆😆😆

I even forgot we were in the Daily Discussion Thread 😳😳😳

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: chen2chic

Thnx Chandraketu for supporting my view. In the Mahabharata, when Draupadi goes to work as Sairandiri under Queen Sudeshna in King Virat's place, she introduces herself and says that she had worked for Krishna's fav. queen Satyabhama and Draupadi, and that is how the queen agrees to employ her.
Oh yes, and also the Narakasura story, I think Satyabhama was the charioteer of Krishna, right?
And also is there a special significance of the number 16,108? (number of wives of Krishna)

Not charioteer, she just accompanied him. They rode on Garuda, so it was just a case of Garuda flying all the way. On the way, they were intercepted by fire, ocean, wind, mountains and an asura guard of Narakasura. The fire, ocean and wind were dispersed by Krishna's sudarshan chakra, and the mountain by Krishna's gada. The guard was beheaded by the sudarshan chakra after a brief battle.

Also, according to some South Indian accounts, it was Satyabhama who fought and killed Narakasura for insulting all women by snatching Deva-mata Aditi's kundalas right from her ears, while Krishna was meditating.

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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

As for the 8 forms of Lakshmi being the 8 principal wives - It does fit in away. I have read this before but could not place Narakasur's story where it is mentioned that Sathyabama was the incarnation of Bhudevi.
As for the next story of Ram saying that he will be born as the younger - this one is completely new to me. Thanks for this informaiton - I thought it was a different reason.



Yes, Vibishna. I have heard the story too about Satyabhama being the incarnation of Bhudevi. Thanks to Godisone, I think, I now know that his 8 wives were actually Ashtalakshmis.
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Posted: 17 years ago

Originally posted by: Vibhishna

😆 It becomes all the more enjoyable when you mean you are not mean or anything, Mandodari ji.
I meant that Draupadi introduced herself as the foremost maid of queen Draupadi. That is what I read. I am not that good in Mahabharat - I do know something but not everything in Mahabharat.



I was just kidding. 😆 We get too serious in this topic thread sometimes. Which is why I go to the Gurmeet Choudhary fan club and goof around to lighten up. 😆😆😆 Vibishna, you are correct. When did this become Jai Sri Krishna forum? I am enjoying the discussions actually.

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